TTV.ViccValentine Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Now when I say "viable late-game", I mean "would I wanna use this against 50+ enemies or balls-to-the-wall hard bosses/enemies like kela de lame, raid hek, sortie raptor, or would I be better off throwing my severed limbs at them after they're done gibbing me". Perhaps saying enemies as powerful as that is a bit of a high bar, because sortie raptor laughs at even a vaykor hek. I guess a better way to put it would be, "would I take this to Hieracon or new Draco?" Because I can't even count the amount of times I've gone into region and asked, " hey fam, is the dildo-cannon 6900 viable late-game?" And even though I don't mind asking, it would be nice if I could determine that myself, without asking everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborg-Rox Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 You go to late-game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichouette Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) Is it a melee weapons ? yes does it have 15%+ crit chance ? Yes > viable no > not viable no does it have 25%+ crit chance ? yes > viable no > does it have insane damage (like opticor or tigris) and/or fire rate ? (boltor prime) yes > viable no > not viable Sorry I'm too lazy to start paint Also I wouldn't call lvl 50+ "late game", I can already beat that with a MK1-braton that has 1 forma and a potato... I'm more talking for lvl 100 enemies. Edited August 10, 2016 by Trichouette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemmo67 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 if a gun looks nice and is fun to use it's enough for me to use in high levels (believe or not but all machetes fall into viable for me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarticulate Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Find the weakest weapon you consider viable and compare fully modded stats. Use Warframe Builder to give you numbers, but make sure you know exactly what the numbers mean because they aren't straightforward for certain unique trigger types and for melee weapons in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk_of_the_Reborn Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, Trichouette said: Is it a melee weapons ? yes does it have 15%+ crit chance ? Yes > viable no > not viable no does it have 25%+ crit chance ? yes > viable no > does it have insane damage (like opticor or tigris) and/or fire rate ? (boltor prime) yes > viable no > not viable Sorry I'm too lazy to start paint My status weapons would like to have a word with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichouette Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said: My status weapons would like to have a word with you Status weapons that are effective are rare... Like acrid or whatever. Crit is so unbalanced and effective that I didn't even think about including status in my "list" Edited August 10, 2016 by Trichouette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renathy Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 You check the stats and try to understand which enemies it's good against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
----Fenrir---- Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Well, weapon by design exist to kill/hurt. And when a weapon is able to kill "endgame" enemies efficiently, it's viable. If you need almost a minute to kill a lvl 100 enemy in a sortie, it's not viable. It's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellis Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Go into the Simulacrum, test against high level enemies, and find out for oneself if thy build is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsik-kun Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 On 8/11/2016 at 4:53 AM, Trichouette said: Is it a melee weapons ? yes does it have 15%+ crit chance ? Yes > viable no > not viable Galatine is a viable late-game weapon. Orthos Prime is a viable late-game weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichouette Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Epsik-kun said: Orthos Prime is a viable late-game weapon. People keep saying that and yet I have no idea why. Maybe against infected... 40 minutes ago, Epsik-kun said: Galatine is a viable late-game weapon. Galatine has the amazing chance of having some crazy broken stance to be equipped with... like the "I spin 7 times dealing 400% damage twice/thrice per spin" stance (which isn't broken at all) And still I have no idea why people would use that weapon in very high level, actually I don't see anyone playing with that thing. Edited August 11, 2016 by Trichouette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inarticulate Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 25 minutes ago, Trichouette said: People keep saying that and yet I have no idea why. Maybe against infected... The massive range with Primed Reach lets you hit a large number of enemies with each swing when they are clustered together, letting you build up the combo meter very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichouette Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, Inarticulate said: The massive range with Primed Reach lets you hit a large number of enemies with each swing when they are clustered together, letting you build up the combo meter very quickly. Yeah I know I figured people like the range of this weapon, but I don't know, I can't really see the point when I can just spin between them with a scindo and slay them all with one hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)WINDMILEYNO Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 On 8/10/2016 at 3:05 PM, Trichouette said: Status weapons that are effective are rare... Like acrid or whatever. Crit is so unbalanced and effective that I didn't even think about including status in my "list" Acrid...effective?...what? Try quanta. Cube bombs. Bite me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)BroaderSaucer Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Does it have 8 forma in it? Yes-Viable No-Is it a totally OP weapon? (tonkor, synoid simulor, ETC.) Yes-Viable No-not viable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranks21 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, (PS4)WINDMILEYNO said: Acrid...effective?...what? Try quanta. Cube bombs. Bite me acrid if youre a marksman to keep up the headshot bonus it will chew away high level enemies with 3 shots to the head with max status build + duration mod, as for galatine >> tempo royale with berzerker + body count + toxin mod and reach if going against flying enemies<< no need for reach against grineers and infesteds. every weapon is viable at killing high levels some players still haven't bothered to do the adjustments even a weapon with 0 crits or crit chance will do critical damage if you have the right mods equiped and target weak points on the enemies. how fast they are at killing sometimes depends on the frame youre using... mirage and nova makes all weapons viable. Edited August 11, 2016 by ranks21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipputer Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 On 8/10/2016 at 2:53 PM, Trichouette said: Is it a melee weapons ? yes does it have 15%+ crit chance ? Yes > viable no > not viable no does it have 25%+ crit chance ? yes > viable no > does it have insane damage (like opticor or tigris) and/or fire rate ? (boltor prime) yes > viable no > not viable Your list of "viable" late-game weapons must be the most boring list I've ever seen, then. Gas/Electric Twin Basolks that take advantage of the blowback from finishing the multi-hit Swirling Tiger combo stacks damage over time, controls enemies, and knocks enemies down. It's not conventional, but it is effective at reasonable levels of play (as in sortie 3). Doesn't fit your criteria, though, so I guess it's an awful weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laidain Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 There is no late game...XD raids and sorties can still be easily cheesed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsik-kun Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 6 hours ago, Trichouette said: I can just spin between them with a scindo and slay them all with one hit And you can spin between them with Orthos, and slay them all with one hit. The difference is, Scindo will slay enemies in 1m radius and Orthos - in 8m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichouette Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 10 hours ago, Epsik-kun said: And you can spin between them with Orthos, and slay them all with one hit. The difference is, Scindo will slay enemies in 1m radius and Orthos - in 8m. And the fact scindo deals like.... a hundred time more damage ? even though it hit less far and slower. 12 hours ago, Chipputer said: Your list of "viable" late-game weapons must be the most boring list I've ever seen, then. Gas/Electric Twin Basolks that take advantage of the blowback from finishing the multi-hit Swirling Tiger combo stacks damage over time, controls enemies, and knocks enemies down. It's not conventional, but it is effective at reasonable levels of play (as in sortie 3). Doesn't fit your criteria, though, so I guess it's an awful weapon. What I mean by "viable" is what this game consider as "a fast way to kill many oponents" considering the amount of enemies and their level in sortie 3. So YES I also can do a weird build with a skana and still be able to take down lvl 80-100 thanks to stance combo and other finisher and stuff, but if you want something efficient... Well most of the time you use crit weapons or fast RoF and/or high damage weapon. The best CC is death :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsik-kun Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Trichouette said: a hundred time more damage Does it, I wonder? Spoiler Edited August 12, 2016 by Epsik-kun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichouette Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, Epsik-kun said: Does it, I wonder? Hide contents You're using a x3 multiplier... With the same multiplier, a scindo prime has around 180% crit chance, add to this the x3 combo multiplier plus the x4 multiplier from cleaving whirlwind + the fact it hits twice (or thrice) per swing + you can do this move 7 time in a row and at a ridiculous speed with berserker (which is lower than orthos p obviously) So... YES, whatever build you're using, scindo prime will always deal more damage thanks to its higher crit chance, higher base damage, and higher stance multiplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsik-kun Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Just now, Trichouette said: So... YES Nope. Spoiler You don't know how the current melee works, do you? I mean, yeah, Scindo "can" hit harder than Orthos Prime, but it'll be a really garbage weapon at doing that. If you want just to hit hard, you'd be better opting out for Razas. So, you should really at least try to test things, prior to making like any statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NativeKiller Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Simple, take it to late-game and see if it works. You could also do things like ask others for info or check out Youtube vidoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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