If Oberon was Good....

[cookieknife]

8 minutes ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

How bout this? Smite a teammate under the effect of Renewal to heal them equals to the damage of Smite :D

hey anything to add a connection to his powers, id like that

[MegpoidBeetle]

Just now, cookieknife said:

hey anything to add a connection to his powers, id like that

I think it'd be a nice start if Smite has different interactions, like casting Smite on ally/enemies on Hallowed Ground, Smite on allies with Renewal, Smite on enemies under the effect of Reckoning.

[cookieknife]

2 minutes ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

I think it'd be a nice start if Smite has different interactions, like casting Smite on ally/enemies on Hallowed Ground, Smite on allies with Renewal, Smite on enemies under the effect of Reckoning.

if smiting an enemy on hallowed ground caused a little radiation hazard that would be cool. like the same area as the toxin cloud on that saryn augment

[(XBOX)Oussii]

On 8/14/2016 at 10:20 AM, (PS4)bddacres said:

What is oberon was actually a good frame.... what would come to mind when you think of him... a bamf paladin or the calm druid... post pics and vids of comparisons

Too bad i did  not take a screenshot, but yesterday i played a T3 defense with some friends, and i brought along Oberon to test it after putting 2 forma on it.

We were 4, Frost, Slova, Rhino  and Oberon

surprisingly, i got 600+ kills in 20 waves using his 4th power, i never fired a weapon (was kind of testing the frame) while the second was frost with nearly 400 kills.

In addition, i was healing Slova all the time.

So if you mod Oberon right, you get over 2800 damage (4th power) with a blinding (like mirage) for 6 seconds. That's 2 powers in 1, in addition to the possibility of healing your mates.

And last but not least, you crowd control all your enemies in a big way.

So don't under-estimate Oberon.

In another game of defense also (for testing purpose), my kills were faster than Ash BS, as he had to teleport to enemies while Oberon from a single spot killed them all. But on a higher level, Ash was performing better

The only Problem with Oberon, is that to have good power, you have to sacrifice on Health (although you can heal your self) and shield (you can always drop shield pads).

 

 

[cookieknife]

1 minute ago, (XB1)Oussii said:

Too bad i did  not take a screenshot, but yesterday i played a T3 defense with some friends, and i brought along Oberon to test it after putting 2 forma on it.

We were 4, Frost, Slova, Rhino  and Oberon

surprisingly, i got 600+ kills in 20 waves using his 4th power, i never fired a weapon (was kind of testing the frame) while the second was frost with nearly 400 kills.

In addition, i was healing Slova all the time.

So if you mod Oberon right, you get over 2800 damage (4th power) with a blinding (like mirage) for 6 seconds. That's 2 powers in 1, in addition to the possibility of healing your mates.

And last but not least, you crowd control all your enemies in a big way.

So don't under-estimate Oberon.

In another game of defense also (for testing purpose), my kills were faster than Ash BS, as he had to teleport to enemies while Oberon from a single spot killed them all. But on a higher level, Ash was performing better

The only Problem with Oberon, is that to have good power, you have to sacrifice on Health (although you can heal your self) and shield (you can always drop shield pads).

 

 

the blind is not like mirage dude. it's only 4 meters and 4 seconds. if you have 200% duration and 200% range it will still be 8 meters and 8 seconds, outside of reckoning

[(XBOX)Oussii]

2 minutes ago, cookieknife said:

the blind is not like mirage dude. it's only 4 meters and 4 seconds. if you have 200% duration and 200% range it will still be 8 meters and 8 seconds, outside of reckoning

What i meant like Mirage is the similarity, i am not saying it blinds as good as mirage of course, but still, when you can't kill them, blinding for 6 seconds is not bad.

Mirage blinding is awesome, no doubt about it, but with Oberon, you get to kill the enemies, and who ever survive your reckoning power is blinded for 6 seconds.

It's something to be taken into consideration

PS: I am not sure which MR you are, but i am getting ready to hit MR22 when the update hits XBOX today. So i tried the MR22 test, and with his passive power, Oberon can control all the dogs you will be facing in that test, which is pretty neat, as you will be having a ton of them

[cookieknife]

1 minute ago, (XB1)Oussii said:

What i meant like Mirage is the similarity, i am not saying it blinds as good as mirage of course, but still, when you can't kill them, blinding for 6 seconds is not bad.

Mirage blinding is awesome, no doubt about it, but with Oberon, you get to kill the enemies, and who ever survive your reckoning power is blinded for 6 seconds.

It's something to be taken into consideration

PS: I am not sure which MR you are, but i am getting ready to hit MR22 when the update hits XBOX today. So i tried the MR22 test, and with his passive power, Oberon can control all the dogs you will be facing in that test, which is pretty neat, as you will be having a ton of them

im not sure if the update that nerfed mirage's and oberon's blind ability came to console yet. but pretty much with oberon they have to be looking at you and just outside of reckoning to be effected by the blind. 

[Deatherage_]

1 hour ago, Camelslayer said:

I very much like Oberon's concept (even have the deluxe skin), but he's far too overcomplicated. His abilities have a million different effects on them, and even as someone that's played Oberon fairly extensively, I can't keep the effects of what each skill does straight. That's kind of a problem.

Oberon does a bunch of things just okay. His damage is just alright. His heal is just alright. He's not super bad but he's not amazing by any sense of the word, if you're going for any specific utility he has, there's other frames that do most everything he can better.

He needs to have his core concepts given a quality of life update while removing all the unnecessary ability fluff that was added as an attempt to buff him.

 

But that is what Oberon is supposed to be

he has aspects of various frames from stuff like being slightly tanky to being able to heal because that is what the Palidin's role 

yes i agree he needs a quality of life update but the simple fact he brings a large variety of utility to a squad gives him some solid useability even in the current state of the game and with the trinity blessing changes he actually has a place in squads because his heal has infinite range, even though the orbs have to go to the target

is he a top tier frame? nope but far from the bottom

is he useable and fun? YES gotta love that MASSIVE KNOCKDOWN AND HEALS

does he counter the greatest threat to the tenno, radiation proced 4 spamming ash edgelords? yes, his 2 ruins their fun or blind spamming

Edited August 16, 2016 by Govictory

[(PSN)ArnnFrost]

Poor Oberon ...

[Urlan]

10 hours ago, Kastorius said:

Typical Oberon usage scenario:

• Corpus sortie
• cast carpet
• teammates stand in it
• Sapper Ospreys dispense 50,000 sappers
• everyone dies while nullifiers simultaneously remove all of your carpets anyway
• cast Renewal
• Sniper Crewman one-hits teammates anyway
• press 4, some enemies lose 1/4 of their health and get rad procced
• no energy
• switch to Trinity and finish sortie

You are aware that players that actually play Oberon tend to do fine in those very same missions? Is Oberon ideal in them? No, a jack of all trades struggles in an environment increasingly balanced around specialists and the particular interactions they have versus everything else. Such a dilemma however is not a fault of the warframe but of the game balance and will remain so. As said earlier, Oberon received a boost to his skills and survival stats - this was followed with a  boost to all enemies making Oberon's survival stat boosts moot. That is the problem with trying to change your baseline, Oberon in this case is the balance warframe as his codex states. Can Oberon use tweaks and buffs? Sure, absolutely; but you have to be careful you don't try to turn the warframe from what it is into something it is not. Oberon is not a replacement for Trinity, the old Miasma Saryn for damage, or a pure tank like Valkyr, Inaros, or Vex Armor Chroma; what Oberon is however is an all-rounder who can be used to clear any mission on the star-chart with a good degree of success. You are trying to put Oberon solely in the specialty other warframes already occupy - this is a mistake as that is not his design purpose - Oberon is a Paladin which takes from the specialty warrior and cleric to make a class that can both heal and fight, though not as good as either specialist. Trying to improve Oberon is natural, we all would like him to be more effective but trying to reinvent the wheel is not practical; other warframes are probably more your cup of tea in such cases.

[Kastorius]

You can write as many massive, impassioned paragraphs as you want, but the fact of the matter is that Trinity tanks and heals far better than Oberon while also dispensing near-infinite energy. Furthermore, her powers are far less vulnerable to nullifiers, energy leech eximus, etc.

Yes, Oberon can be brought to sorties and your team will win. This is true of many underperforming and largely undesired Warframes. That's totally irrelevant. I can bring an MR6 clan mate to a sortie and we'll win with no trouble then, too.

Yes, Oberon struggles in a specialist-centric environment, and it's not so much his fault as it is an issue with the game's design philosophy. Nevertheless that is the game design we have, and Oberon exists only within it.

I can clear pretty much any mission in the Star Chart with a Rank 0 frame and a Burston Prime. Sedna, Pluto, and Lua would probably be tough, but I bet I could do it. Oberon being capable of clearing the Star Chart is something all other Warframes are also capable of.

DE is frequently in DEnial about what their game actually is and how it actually works, and Oberon is a good example of that.

[SilvaDreams]

15 minutes ago, Kastorius said:

You can write as many massive, impassioned paragraphs as you want, but the fact of the matter is that Trinity tanks and heals far better than Oberon while also dispensing near-infinite energy. Furthermore, her powers are far less vulnerable to nullifiers, energy leech eximus, etc.

Yes, Oberon can be brought to sorties and your team will win. This is true of many underperforming and largely undesired Warframes. That's totally irrelevant. I can bring an MR6 clan mate to a sortie and we'll win with no trouble then, too.

Yes, Oberon struggles in a specialist-centric environment, and it's not so much his fault as it is an issue with the game's design philosophy. Nevertheless that is the game design we have, and Oberon exists only within it.

I can clear pretty much any mission in the Star Chart with a Rank 0 frame and a Burston Prime. Sedna, Pluto, and Lua would probably be tough, but I bet I could do it. Oberon being capable of clearing the Star Chart is something all other Warframes are also capable of.

DE is frequently in DEnial about what their game actually is and how it actually works, and Oberon is a good example of that.

And no matter how many times people compare Oberon to Trinity they are wrong to do so.

NO ONE builds Oberon to be a healer because that's not what he is good at, there are two normal builds for him.

1) His carpet spamming build

2) Smite/Reckoning spam build (Or slam dunk build as I call it)

The first is for a more defensive roll in hazard missions or where procs would be an issue.

The Reckoning built will one shot most units but heavies up to lvl 60, after that a 2nd or 3rd might be needed for the heavies but it will floor and rad procs almost an entire room, which has saved many team mates because they were downed.

 

Can he heal still? Ya but I mostly use it for quick clearing of procs and ya some health is regained, something Trinity can't do.

Edited August 16, 2016 by SilvaDreams

[Oishii]

Oberon isn't really bad in the sense you can do any mission with him really. It is more most frames can suck all the difficulty out of the game with a press of a button, he really doesn't do that, which I guess makes him bad by comparison but not really unplayable.

[(XBOX)Oussii]

I play with Oberon and Ash.

I decided finally to send Oberon in the afternoons and on weekends to take private lessons from Ash

By the time Oberon prime will see the light, all of you would have wish sending Oberon to that private school.

[MegpoidBeetle]

3 minutes ago, (XB1)Oussii said:

I play with Oberon and Ash.

I decided finally to send Oberon in the afternoons and on weekends to take private lessons from Ash

By the time Oberon prime will see the light, all of you would have wish sending Oberon to that private school.

Is that your way of saying people should invest in Oberon more if they wanna see how he fares?

[SilvaDreams]

6 minutes ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

Is that your way of saying people should invest in Oberon more if they wanna see how he fares?

People should actually try playing him instead of being sheep and just repeating what someone else says.

I know a few YouTube's are just as bad just saying things and then looking the dunce when someone does the research and shows they are wrong (See the Primed Bane mods). One Youtuber I casually watch just did a review on him the other day and even stated he was a good frame, someone already linked it on page one I believe.

I happily take my Oberon everywhere, though yes I'll take a frame that is more suited to certain missions when I pub higher content just to ensure we don't fail.

[(XBOX)Oussii]

1 hour ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

Is that your way of saying people should invest in Oberon more if they wanna see how he fares?

It only needs one forma

I am saying don't judge that frame unless you really test several builds.

DE, (i guess) had good reason to create Oberon

PS: how many built you tried on it? and how many times you tried it before judging?

[MegpoidBeetle]

2 hours ago, SilvaDreams said:

People should actually try playing him instead of being sheep and just repeating what someone else says.

I know a few YouTube's are just as bad just saying things and then looking the dunce when someone does the research and shows they are wrong (See the Primed Bane mods). One Youtuber I casually watch just did a review on him the other day and even stated he was a good frame, someone already linked it on page one I believe.

I happily take my Oberon everywhere, though yes I'll take a frame that is more suited to certain missions when I pub higher content just to ensure we don't fail.

At this point in Warframe it would seem the quality of a frame's kit is subjective at most. Some frames aren't meant for some players I suppose.

And yea, I even brought Oberon to LOR Raid without any objections from players and sortie too. But when the situation arises like Sniper only Sortie 3 Survival, that's where I bring some cheese in.

1 hour ago, (XB1)Oussii said:

It only needs one forma

I am saying don't judge that frame unless you really test several builds.

DE, (i guess) had good reason to create Oberon

PS: how many built you tried on it? and how many times you tried it before judging?

Well because I was curious on how much potential he has (especially after they buffed Smite and Reckoning), I invested 5x formas into him. Gonna say I'm quitesatisfied with how it turned out, but would still appreciate some tuning and synergy in his kit.

I have a general all-rounder build that has Smite Infusion on it, like fulfil every role I can possibly do with him (damage, healing, CC, buffing, and utility to name a few). That's my Configuration A. 

As for Configuration B I have pseudo-immortal build that focuses on using Rage+Quick Thinking+Phoenix Renewal. Saved my teammates a couple of times from near-death via Phoenix Renewal when they're running around with squishy frames. I call it pseudo-immortal since you have to be really attentive and alert to your energy and health to prevent QT's stunlock.

So overall his kit is pretty fine, not the best, but far from badly unplayable and any improvements is gladly welcomed for him.

[IceColdHawk]

Still better than limbo and hydroid.

[SilvaDreams]

19 minutes ago, IceColdHawk said:

Still better than limbo and hydroid.

Limbo isn't bad but he is an oddball since he is virtually single target only.

I've had a few Nova come to love my Limbo when they realized they can safely sit in oblivion and use their powers from it's safety and get tons of energy for free while launching antimatter bombs out into the hoarded.

 

Hydroid... Can't comment too much as he's on my list to be played more and to find a good build with.

Edited August 16, 2016 by SilvaDreams

[LabMan95]

The big problem with oberon, and a lot of "lesser" things in the game is comparing them to "superior" warframes or weapons that exist. Yes, Mirage and Trinity are great, but there are other things besides them. From my personal experience, Oberon is one of the most fun warframes to play as because not everything is just spamming one button in a group game (except maybe his 4). Sure, his ground flames only take one spot on the map, but for an instant debuff and how fast some of these frames are it is completely worth having. I can tell from experience renewal is a complete godsend against infested and those *expletive* osprey farts. Smite itself is a good "oh ****" button for enemies, and the augment just gives it more utility. Reckoning is, well, reckoning. Very straightforward, mostly for dealing a lot of damage with an occasional upside too. I just wish I could play him more in this game because he's so fun

[Urlan]

5 hours ago, Kastorius said:

You can write as many massive, impassioned paragraphs as you want, but the fact of the matter is that Trinity tanks and heals far better than Oberon while also dispensing near-infinite energy. Furthermore, her powers are far less vulnerable to nullifiers, energy leech eximus, etc.

Yes, Oberon can be brought to sorties and your team will win. This is true of many underperforming and largely undesired Warframes. That's totally irrelevant. I can bring an MR6 clan mate to a sortie and we'll win with no trouble then, too.

Yes, Oberon struggles in a specialist-centric environment, and it's not so much his fault as it is an issue with the game's design philosophy. Nevertheless that is the game design we have, and Oberon exists only within it.

I can clear pretty much any mission in the Star Chart with a Rank 0 frame and a Burston Prime. Sedna, Pluto, and Lua would probably be tough, but I bet I could do it. Oberon being capable of clearing the Star Chart is something all other Warframes are also capable of.

DE is frequently in DEnial about what their game actually is and how it actually works, and Oberon is a good example of that.

The only fact of the matter is that Oberon can use tweaks but doesn't need to be a specialist to cover for what people want versus what he is. Words on deaf ears though are wasted words sure enough. Remember that the talk of balance requires balance, bringing up Trinity when you talk of other warframes being stronger is sorta missing the point. Isn't their something of a meme of it being Wednesday and giving Trinity a nerf? Oberon could be straight pumped, he would also then invalidate many other warframes as he is the middle ground, the all-rounder. The paragraphs show passion about Oberon because I have played him more than most as said; if someone who hasn't wants him to be a better Trinity, perhaps they don't care about the warframe in the first place or balance. You can't take a base line all-rounder and make them better than the specialists whose roles he plays second fiddle to and expect a balanced game. As I said, across-the-board enemy boosted stats last time. It is good that you can clear the star-chart with a new or forma'd warframe and a prime weapon, hopefully it was at least upgraded to take off some of the stress of not being able to kill anything without damage. Of course, it has been said before that the game favors a fully modded weapon more than the warframes and their abilities so that is not exactly a boast but rather a statement of fact that anyone can with resources or experience.

All that said, another impassioned speech; the short version is more direct of course. All-rounder balancing is hard as their pumps need to be more careful without making other things seem weakened. Oberon is designed as an all-rounder, not a damage or healing god/goddess despite his namesake. Tweaks and baby-steps as nothing is in a vacuum.

[Midrib]

I do not want Oberon to be a specialist frame, I don't want Him to be like Trinity,  want Him to be in line with the other all rounder frame in the game, Equinox.

While She isn't the most balanced frame in the game, she delivers what she sells, Which is an all rounder kit that isn't lackluster.

Stop comparing Oberon to trinity because that's a terrible argument, Trinity is full support, Oberon is clearly isn't.

I simply think that he needs some QoL on his abilities and I don't think hollowed ground should stay, Sure it offers status immunity, but they can simply implement that into Renewal and give him a better ability.

 

While I can see how Ash's bladestorm and old Nekros Desecrate are unhealthy for the game, I still think that frames like Oberon, Hydroid and Limbo deserve changes more than Nekros or Ash.

Edited August 16, 2016 by Midrib

[TheGodofWiFi]

8 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

But my point still stands that people don't need a Trinity in their squad, it make things easier for them but it's definitely not a need.

That's true, but saying all frames can make use of the rage mod and Zenurik isn't.

8 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

*can completely incapacitate an enemy at a time. It's great and all, but it's the lil plus point that counts. He can't do things as good as others, but he can do things others can't.

Yes he can incapacitate multiple enemies. For four seconds.....

8 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

Yes I am aware that Link exists. I can effectively turn Oberon into a moderate tank as well with the proper modding but let's honest, in a situation where a room is full of energy leeches, Trinity would be the one that's gonna get mauled to death first before Oberon.

Oberon cannot be the same level of tank Trinity is, no matter how much you mod for him. Her 75% damage reduction to herself AND allies will always outshine him.

 

9 hours ago, GiraffaYandereBeetle said:

I'm not comparing religion to Warframe entirely, but more on your premise of "If everyone believes so, it is so". And sure Oberon's not the best in the game, I would know. I enjoy his jack of all trades role, makes it less of a hassle for me to decide should I bring x or y frame to the game. Master of none but better than a master of one. If you had Oberon's current role removed in favor of a more specialized role, then it won't really feel like Oberon again. You can go on and say Oberon is beyond salvation and requires a complete change to his kit that removes his all rounder theme, but for me he just a need some tuning to two or three (Smite is perfect as it is) of his abilities and he's all good.

Video games are far different from contexts like religion. When a majority believe that something in a video game is bad, it's generally because it is and they have actual evidence to back it up. As in they can show you numbers and say "Hey Oberon isn't as useful as (Insert frame here) because so and so."

How is a master of none better than a master of one? By definition that doesn't even make any sense. Being a specialist in Warframe is what counts. Trinity is good at healing, Inaros is good at taking bombard missiles to the face and barely being scratched, Chroma buffs your weapons, Frost provides cover and CC, Nyx provides CC for herself and a team, etc etc.

They tried to make Oberon an all-rounder, but they couldn't make him too powerful otherwise what would be the point in using other frames? And that right there is the main reason why he should not be an all-rounder (IMO). He's been made purposely weak because of the very theme he wants embody. If Oberon could blind enemies for 40 seconds, what would be the point in using Excalibur? If he could heal himself and whole teams instantly with the push of a button, why use Trinity? If he could instantly smash high level enemies with Reckoning, why use Ash? If Smite had huge damage, extremely long range why would you use Ember? You see what I mean. If Oberon was like that I know I certainly wouldn't touch other frames.

If he truly was an 'all-rounder' he would most likely outshine every other frame in the game, as he can cover all the basics, so DE effectively make him useless. This is why I think his 'all-rounder' theme, should change. Not completely rework it so it's like we're playing a different frame altogether, just make him focus on being more of a debuff to enemies and a buff to allies kind of thing, like an actual paladin. Maybe his laughable passive could be replaced with an in-built Corrosive Projection mod. Maybe they could rework his carpet ability so that all players get the armour and get to keep even if they leave the carpet. And the armour bonus was buffed too. 

[MegpoidBeetle]

5 minutes ago, LorianTheElderPrince said:

snip

At this rate, we can only agree to disagree. I can only agree that his passive is undeniably forceful and practically useless, so there's that.