InquisitorMaximus Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Miser_able said: Because they don't harness the elements. They harness void energy and make it behave as elements. Nahh, they do harness the elements, they just don't become the element: "A master of the deadly elements, Chroma can alter his damage output by changing his energy color." Chroma "Rising from the ocean depths, Hydroid harnesses the power of water to a devastating effect."Hydroid "By channeling moisture and vapor in the surrounding environment, Frost creates formidable defenses and lethal attacks from sub zero conditions." Frost "Ember is a nightmare for light-armored targets. Ember can super-heat the air which opens up surprising crowd-control possibilities." Ember "With full command of surrounding magnetic energy, Mag is an expert at enemy manipulation." Mag "Nova uses electromagnetic energy to contain and control highly volatile antimatter that fuels her abilities" Nova "Volt can create and harness electrical elements. This is a high-damage Warframe perfect for players looking for a potent alternative to gunplay." Volt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 minute ago, RubenRosas said: "By channeling moisture and vapor in the surrounding environment, Frost creates formidable defenses and lethal attacks from sub zero conditions." Frost "Ember is a nightmare for light-armored targets. Ember can super-heat the air which opens up surprising crowd-control possibilities." Ember More great points. It doesn't say they are imbued with these elements, only that they control them. Control =/= Immunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorMaximus Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Just now, Archistopheles said: More great points. It doesn't say they are imbued with these elements, only that they control them. Control =/= Immunity Indeed :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaius Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, RubenRosas said: Nahh, they do harness the elements, they just don't become the element: "A master of the deadly elements, Chroma can alter his damage output by changing his energy color." Chroma "Rising from the ocean depths, Hydroid harnesses the power of water to a devastating effect."Hydroid "By channeling moisture and vapor in the surrounding environment, Frost creates formidable defenses and lethal attacks from sub zero conditions." Frost "Ember is a nightmare for light-armored targets. Ember can super-heat the air which opens up surprising crowd-control possibilities." Ember "With full command of surrounding magnetic energy, Mag is an expert at enemy manipulation." Mag "Nova uses electromagnetic energy to contain and control highly volatile antimatter that fuels her abilities" Nova "Volt can create and harness electrical elements. This is a high-damage Warframe perfect for players looking for a potent alternative to gunplay." Volt Warframes are the lens that focus void energy into something else. Operators just pump void energy in and a frame changes it into powers that manifest as various effects we see. Edited September 8, 2017 by Andaius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorMaximus Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Andaius said: Warframe are the Lens that focus void energy into something else. Operators just pump void energy in and a frame changes it into powers that manifest as various effects we see. Allow me to elaborate: the LRAD 500X is a device in which we "just pump" electric energy, the device "changes it into powers that manifest as various effects we see" (namely a sound wave that inflicts harm) yet we call that device a Sonic Weapon and not an Electric Weapon (Long Range Acoustic Device, to be more precise); mutatis mutandis, it would be correct to say that a Warframe is harnessing certain element (as attested in the Codex' entries) even when receiving its capability to do it from Void Energy "pumped" into the device by the operator. Edited September 8, 2017 by RubenRosas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 22 hours ago, ImpyMidna said: it would be nice to have. You cant kill Zeus with Lightning. You cant kill Poseidon with water. Etc etc. :D Being able to weaponize an element does not mean you can resist it. The warframe is basically just a giant weapon. Guns aren't resistant to bullets because they shoot them. Utilizing something doesn't mean you are made of it or resistant to it. Also being made of something doesn't necessarily mean you "resist" it either. The world is full of complex chemical and biological reactions and interactions that are not nearly that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 48 minutes ago, RubenRosas said: Nahh, they do harness the elements, they just don't become the element: "A master of the deadly elements, Chroma can alter his damage output by changing his energy color." Chroma "Rising from the ocean depths, Hydroid harnesses the power of water to a devastating effect."Hydroid "By channeling moisture and vapor in the surrounding environment, Frost creates formidable defenses and lethal attacks from sub zero conditions." Frost "Ember is a nightmare for light-armored targets. Ember can super-heat the air which opens up surprising crowd-control possibilities." Ember "With full command of surrounding magnetic energy, Mag is an expert at enemy manipulation." Mag "Nova uses electromagnetic energy to contain and control highly volatile antimatter that fuels her abilities" Nova "Volt can create and harness electrical elements. This is a high-damage Warframe perfect for players looking for a potent alternative to gunplay." Volt That a just creative flavor text, it would sound stupid if it said "a master of void energy altered to behave like elements chroma can alter his damage.... Etc" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract7777 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, RubenRosas said: Allow me to elaborate: the LRAD 500X is a device in which we "just pump" electric energy, the device "changes it into powers that manifest as various effects we see" (namely a sound wave that inflicts harm) yet we call that device a Sonic Weapon and not an Electric Weapon (Long Range Acoustic Device, to be more precise); mutatis mutandis, it would be correct to say that a Warframe is harnessing certain element (as attested in the Codex' entries) even when receiving its capability to do it from Void Energy "pumped" into the device by the operator. I feel like you guys all agree on the core concept here and are basically arguing semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaius Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tesseract7777 said: I feel like you guys all agree on the core concept here and are basically arguing semantics. Yeah...When I quoted him it was for emphsis not opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorMaximus Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 14 minutes ago, Andaius said: Yeah...When I quoted him it was for emphsis not opposition. I quoted you for the same reason, plus IS FUN :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorMaximus Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, Miser_able said: That a just creative flavor text, it would sound stupid if it said "a master of void energy altered to behave like elements chroma can alter his damage.... Etc" Argumentum ad lapidem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 hours ago, RubenRosas said: Exactly. The game's universe (that "long series of logical and mathematic[al] operations") define a set of rules under which balance indeed equals logic (in that sense). Furthermore, if we allow ourselves to follow the mathematical universe hypothesis (MUH) as proposed by Tegmark the real world is simply mathematics, more specifically: "physical reality is a mathematical structure", so all what we estimate as "logic" or "illogical" (in contrast) is due to its adequacy or inadequacy to the underlying mathematical structure forming reality. Hence "balance" DOES NOT ">" "logic". :] Now you're just talking dirty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorMaximus Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 minute ago, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said: Now you're just talking dirty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 minute ago, RubenRosas said: How's this for weird: Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorMaximus Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: How's this for weird: Hide contents Your logic is undeniable sir! Edited September 8, 2017 by RubenRosas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: How's this for weird: Reveal hidden contents 1 minute ago, RubenRosas said: Your logic is undeniable sir! Well that escalated quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said: Well that escalated quickly. -snip- You used the wrong meme: Get on my level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorMaximus Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: You used the wrong meme: Get on my level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 minute ago, RubenRosas said: I'll allow it, though this would have worked too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InquisitorMaximus Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: I'll allow it, though this would have worked too: Forgive me, master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: I'll allow it, though this would have worked too: 8 minutes ago, RubenRosas said: 16 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: You used the wrong meme: Get on my level. I don't have a computer only a old phone. Edited September 8, 2017 by (XB1)FCastle74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, RubenRosas said: Forgive me, master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said: I don't have a computer only a old phone. -snip- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, (PS4)abbacephas said: Edited September 8, 2017 by (XB1)FCastle74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maqabir Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Soldiers shoot bullets at their enemies; why are they not immune to bullets? #CheckMateAtheists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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