OvisCaedo Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hooride said: The math huh? As far as i know 32% is lower than 50%. It's also, oddly enough, NOT the only number on the weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaelathRavenstorm Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, AlinaBee said: yeah only with a riven that you are trying to sell for thousands, very funny, Synapse or Amprex do that better with no rivens uploading one on amprex and you're gonna S#&$ brix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooride Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, OvisCaedo said: It's also, oddly enough, NOT the only number on the weapon. Yeah i know, but where did i say anything about anything other than the crit? Just because status got buffed and makes it a viable status weapon now doesnt mean crit builds didnt get nerfed. Edited February 22, 2018 by Hooride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvisCaedo Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Hooride said: Yeah i know, but where did i say anything about anything other than the crit? Just because status got buffed and makes it a viable status weapon now doesnt mean crit builds didnt get nerfed. Right. The enormous increase in base damage, even when offset by the lower fire rate, is why crit builds didn't get nerfed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooride Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, OvisCaedo said: Right. The enormous increase in base damage, even when offset by the lower fire rate, is why crit builds didn't get nerfed. Do you get orange crits 100% of the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaelathRavenstorm Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 yep there's no more argument, all beam weapons get the love that they deserved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvisCaedo Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hooride said: Do you get orange crits 100% of the time? So you don't actually care WHAT the numbers and math mean for average DPS, just what color the numbers are? Got it! In that case, yes, it's a lot worse now. Edited February 22, 2018 by OvisCaedo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooride Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, OvisCaedo said: So you don't actually care WHAT the numbers and math mean for average DPS, just what color the numbers are? Got it! No, you assume the numbers are low because of the question? You do know you get more crit damage with other colors beyond yellow right? Edited February 22, 2018 by Hooride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvisCaedo Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hooride said: No, you assume the numbers are low because of the question? You do know you get more crit damage with other colors beyond yellow right? I'm quite aware of it! I've just also seen people calculate the numbers already, and the weapon's damage output is STILL higher, even WITHOUT regularly double-critting. Though the gap might become very, very small if an ideal riven mod was being looked at. Edited February 22, 2018 by OvisCaedo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooride Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, OvisCaedo said: I'm quite aware of it! I've just also seen people calculate the numbers already, and the weapon's damage output is STILL higher, even WITHOUT regularly double-critting. If you build it with status in mind, Link some of these calculations so i can have a look. Edited February 22, 2018 by Hooride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvisCaedo Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hooride said: If you build it with status in mind, Link some of these calculations so i can have a look. Here's a post where they included a nice image of the spreadsheet of all of the before/after DPS numbers with and without the two core crit mods. Admittedly, I suppose it does NOT include what things might be with argon scope and/or bladed rounds. I've seen some people claiming that with those, the new version is still slightly ahead on DPS, but most of these things are pretty badly buried in the flood of replies to the topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooride Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, OvisCaedo said: Here's a post where they included a nice image of the spreadsheet of all of the before/after DPS numbers with and without the two core crit mods. Admittedly, I suppose it does NOT include what things might be with argon scope and/or bladed rounds. I've seen some people claiming that with those, the new version is still slightly ahead on DPS, but most of these things are pretty badly buried in the flood of replies to the topics. Ok. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealPandemonium Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Glaxion got a 3% nerf in average damage rate and can no longer distill desired damaging status procs as status weapons could before this change. In exchange, it got a 56% increase in ammo efficiency and a major increase in proc frequency potential. Better for armor stripping with corrosive damage, and frees up a mod/sentinel slot due to lower reliance on ammo bandaids. Worse for dealing damage with Heat/Gas/Electric procs, and not any better for applying Blast/Viral/Radiation procs. Most people care most about armor stripping and ammo efficiency, so the changes are definitely "right" in that regard. However, I will miss its old niche. Leaving all of these things aside, the Glaxion was and is a pretty strong weapon in terms of both damage and status application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apricotlegend Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 7 hours ago, NinjaZeku said: Status per second is gone, Beam weapons are now Status monsters and Glaxion can easily reach 100% Status for a full 12 procs per second (at base Fire Rate) ... or possibly even 24, dunno, that traces stuff is not very clear :P Also, please consider Glaxion's 24m range vs Amprex' puny 14m. wow thanks for stating the blatantly obvious. is the sky also blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apricotlegend Posted February 22, 2018 Author Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Walkampf said: In this case, the OP. because his claim ist just stupid.... Well, and you, since i just tested the Amrpex and yeah.... definitly a buff. No way in hell to argue there. (Seriously, this thing just melts a 150 Bombard.) But i think Buzkyl is (rightfully) generalising. I see you have your tinfoil hat on. Care to tell everybody what my "claim" is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyCharm Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Galaxion is actually usable now. And mine has a status chance of 128.5%, not sure how that works but it melts all the things. I'm happy with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insizer Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) courtesy of @Soup2504: (glaxion at 2:17) from thread: Edited February 22, 2018 by Insizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceyShardZ Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 the glaxion is just fine,coming from someone who played over a thousand hours with it,it is finally insanely good,nobody touch it, if you want a buff then release glaxion vandal,keep it as is,its great next to its competitors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkampf Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 vor 4 Stunden schrieb apricotlegend: I see you have your tinfoil hat on. Care to tell everybody what my "claim" is? 'PLEASE Reconsider the Glaxion changes' Why should they reconsider an obvious and massive buff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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