An old mechanic (well, bug) that's outlived its usefulness and is killing my favorite frame (Nova)

[trndr]

9 minutes ago, Ace4225 said:

I've literally seen my health drop significantly faster by sped-up enemies. It's how the mechanic works. YOU SPEED UP ENEMIES THEY KILL YOU QUICKER. I can't believe people think I'm trolling. The dumb is real.

Kill quicker yes, my point is it doesn't matter if you die quick or slow, you're dead anyway.

 

Didnt you read my entire post, or did you just find it coviniant to ignore how nova would be beyond OP for bounties?

 

PS we dont think you're trolling we think you are a standard forum crusader, who hasnt plaied the game, makes up things, is saltie due to getting downed with unmodded stuff, who somehow has a founder account.

[Ace4225]

1 minute ago, steelblueskies said:

you hate hydron because some players in some public matches run a buld that gets some players who aren't prepared killed in a map you hate but are in anyway. yet you don't see anything illogical in that argumentation.

The logic here is simple. I don't know why you spent so much time writing this pointless rebuttal -- I don't hate the MAP.

I hate the way players operate on the map because it gets people who are there for the map/game mode's intended purpose killed.

Did I spell it out clearly enough this time? If it gets everybody killed every time, then that's not a preparation issue. It's a power mechanic issue.

[Kayll]

OP's Ember can longer handle the speedva bonus while completely afk, so sadly we must now nerf the Nova. 

[Ace4225]

2 minutes ago, trndr said:

Didnt you read my entire post, or did you just find it coviniant to ignore how nova would be beyond OP for bounties?

I did read your post. It was just too full of logical fallacies to respond to.

 

2 minutes ago, trndr said:

PS we dont think you're trolling we think you are a standard forum crusader, who hasnt plaied the game, makes up things

I've played the game heavily since closed beta and am currently MR 24.

Makes up things? I understand how mechanics work and can make/break gameplay. I've played shooters competitively.

[Ace4225]

1 minute ago, Kayll said:

OP's Ember can longer handle the speedva bonus while completely afk, so sadly we must now nerf the Nova. 

If you actually read my post on Ember...

Ember used to be one of my favorite frames. She hasn't been since she became *too easy to AFK with.*

I made a rather extensive rework suggestion post suggesting changes that would make Ember a much more active role.

Do actual research before you accuse someone of something.

[Darkuhn]

Speed Nova isn't a good Build to bring to Public Matches, as you rarely encounter prepared teams. 

But if id have to choose between a Slova and a Speedva id gladly take the Speedva because playing with a Slova is really boring.

I have a speedva, but I mostly use AMD with the argument to soak up enemy dmg and killing them really fast.

[Ace4225]

1 minute ago, Darkuhn said:

Speed Nova isn't a good Build to bring to Public Matches, as you rarely encounter prepared teams. 

This. Was the entire point. Of my post.

[Darkuhn]

Gerade eben schrieb Ace4225:

This. Was the entire point. Of my post.

Yes, but if you know that, why don't you adapt your play style accordingly? Or you could even alter your play style when you realize the Team cant handle it. 

Or if a other Speedva is killing the team, ask them to stop using their 4th. Communication is key to succeed as a team.

[Ace4225]

5 minutes ago, Darkuhn said:

Alter your play style when you realize the Team cant handle it. 

Or if a other Speedva is killing the team, ask them to stop using their 4th.

- I don't use speed-nova any more for this very reason.
- I have asked. Every time. It doesn't mean they'll listen. 9 times out of 10 they think I'm joking and cast m-prime more frequently, while the team continues to go down. Then they mockingly ask if they're noobs (or hump their teammates bodies instead of reviving) It's particularly funny when the speedva frequently goes down too.

Edited February 28, 2018 by Ace4225

[Darkuhn]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb Ace4225:

It's particularly funny when the speedva frequently goes down too.

don't revive them then?

[Ace4225]

Just now, Darkuhn said:

don't revive them then?

I don't XD

Though these days when I do go to Hydron, I usually try to bring my Equinox. That way I can just troll them back.

[Ace4225]

@Kayll might think it's a sin, but I still go to Hydron to level amps now. Cuz leveling amps isn't fun. (at least gilding them is)

Edited February 28, 2018 by Ace4225

[AlphaPHENIX]

I just want Null Star to be better 

[Guest]

Look, if you say you are a Nova Main and you are not using Antimatter Absorb on your Speedva ... you are not a Nova Main. There is enough empty slot for that mod, and it does great in soaking up all the SPED UP enemy attacks and then blowing up the enemy with it.

If I use my Speedva, I don't even need a Nuker Frame anymore. If I push to wave 20, I will outdo the Saryn in DPS via Antimatter drop. I don't go down as a Speedva regularly unless I am using something like the Lenz.

In all my time playing Speedva, even the days with no Banshee or Saryn, I have not  seen anyone needing Rez. Even if I did meet one, I just blow away the wave with AMD and then Rez in peace. If you can't handle the pressure of speed, at least don't handicap others who can.

Please, while I have not imagined myself saying this ... git gud. You need to play Nova very selfishly in order to help your team, such as nuking the whole wave. You cannot depend on them at all. That's how to keep everyone alive. Because the safest enemy is a dead one. Speedva bunches up enemies as well, AMD to the Cryopod/chokepoint does wonders. Also, positioning it is key, planting it on walls and such to hit enemies across it.

If AMD can one shot enemies even on Sortie with a good charging gun, how hard is it on Hydron?

[jfhsanseiIII]

I agree that she is underrated and players don't spend enough time trying to master her Anti-matter Drop, but speed Nova is still useful if you play her right. Hitting Hydron and expecting everyone in a public match to be ready for anything is silly, but expecting nobody to be ready is also kind of silly as well.  People go down rather absurdly regardless of what frame comes into the match.  I am only concerned about abilities that either don't get used or get used just to circumvent anyone else's ability to have fun. I am looking at you Null Star.

[Ace4225]

23 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

Look, if you say you are a Nova Main and you are not using Antimatter Absorb on your Speedva ... you are not a Nova Main. There is enough empty slot for that mod, and it does great in soaking up all the SPED UP enemy attacks and then blowing up the enemy with it.

If I use my Speedva, I don't even need a Nuker Frame anymore. If I push to wave 20, I will outdo the Saryn in DPS via Antimatter drop. I don't go down as a Speedva regularly unless I am using something like the Lenz.

In all my time playing Speedva, even the days with no Banshee or Saryn, I have not  seen anyone needing Rez. Even if I did meet one, I just blow away the wave with AMD and then Rez in peace. If you can't handle the pressure of speed, at least don't handicap others who can.

Please, while I have not imagined myself saying this ... git gud. You need to play Nova very selfishly in order to help your team, such as nuking the whole wave. You cannot depend on them at all. That's how to keep everyone alive. Because the safest enemy is a dead one. Speedva bunches up enemies as well, AMD to the Cryopod/chokepoint does wonders. Also, positioning it is key, planting it on walls and such to hit enemies across it.

If AMD can one shot enemies even on Sortie with a good charging gun, how hard is it on Hydron?

TL;DR use AMD.

I do. Most other Nova players I encounter do not.

I don't use Speedva because I generally kill everything just as quickly with Slova. I could use Speedva, but for me, what's the point?

Other Speedvas get people killed all the time.

Look, the reason I made this thread is because I've tolerated Speedva for a long time, but I wish I didn't have to. When I do get in arguments with Speedva players, I always get BS reasons for why they like Speedva....

"She generates energy for Banshee" ...umm what?

"She makes it easier to share XP" ...except if we're talking Hydron the only places outside affinity range are the SPAWN ZONES.

"She makes the waves go faster" ... and yet, when I run Slova, waves go just as fast as when others run their Speedvas (maybe with 2-4 seconds difference.) simply bc I know how to use AMD.

But I see people die a lot. Occasionally, I've died too (usually only when leveling a frame on Hydron.. which I actively try to avoid these days) always.. ALWAYS.. the reason is Speedva. Speed-prime makes the enemies shoot faster, next thing I know, I'm getting slash-procced like crazy and half the team is dead.

I made this post because I'm tired of tolerating it and I was hoping there'd be some actual discussion on what could be done to help Nova work better for everyone... but it just turned into a **@##$ at Ace because he wants DE to nerf my favorite thing* thread instead...

Edited February 28, 2018 by Ace4225

[Ace4225]

EDIT: double post?

Edited February 28, 2018 by Ace4225

[Birdframe_Prime]

Going to throw my vote in with 'no'.

My default build is a partial-speed Nova (not full Speed, just partial). Has been for four years, and only gotten better as more mods have been released over time. Slow, Speed, all depends on what I'm using her for, but my default is the partial speed and it serves me well every time I take it to a defense.

I don't see your point of view on this, and nothing I've read in this thread from your side of the arguments has made me think I will.

[Guest]

Just now, Ace4225 said:

I made this post because I'm tired of tolerating it and I was hoping there'd be some actual discussion on what could be done to help Nova work better for everyone... but it just turned into a **@##$ at Ace because he wants DE to nerf my favorite thing* thread instead...

Because honestly that is what you are having a go at. Speed Nova works for everyone except if the team is extremely lazy and undergeared, expecting you to carry them. Speedva is meant to speed up waves for the whole team, which obviously must participate. Her only needed partner is really a Quake Banshee/Spore Saryn, which isn't even that valuable if you are confident you can AMD. You don't even need an EV Trin.

If you get shot at, jump and duck. If you are slashed procced as the Nova cast Null Star. Use Antimatter Absorb as both a shield and Attack. I suppose you are the sort that refuse to run Fleeting Expertise. Lemme just say Hydron is not that big to need that much duration ... and efficiency helps with AMD spam.

If your allies are going down because they aren't actively moving and shooting ... joke's on them. Even when "undergeared" I make it a point to take at least one good weapon or a very tanky frame. If your allies are level 0 frames with 3 level 0 weapons, they don't even deserve to be rezzed. Leeches not well received.

[kuchn]

1 hour ago, trndr said:

I can allready smell the max range, high duration novas on tier 5 bounties, if strength won't matter on nova.

thats how i roll..works wonders :D
not quite max range though (stretch, overextended and 15 from exilus) and ~190 duration, 145% power..it's awesome, you should try

Edited February 28, 2018 by kuchn

[Ace4225]

1 minute ago, Datam4ss said:

If you get shot at, jump and duck. If you are slashed procced as the Nova cast Null Star. Use Antimatter Absorb as both a shield and Attack. I suppose you are the sort that refuse to run Fleeting Expertise.

uhh.... Null Star reduces damage but doesn't cancel status procs. O but I ALWAYS run Fleeting ;) (except on my max dur build so I can get 18 stars)

[Ace4225]

Just now, Ace4225 said:

(except on my max dur build so I can get 18 stars)

if you haven't tried a 304% duration build in the Plains yet, I recommend it. :) Not only do you get actually good damage reduction, m-Prime and watch the tusks drop from the dropships already primed. xD

[Ace4225]

6 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

If your allies are level 0 frames with 3 level 0 weapons, they don't even deserve to be rezzed. Leeches not well received.

I'm not an idiot. Allies in question are not completely unranked. In some cases, they were even fully-geared.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Ace4225 said:

uhh.... Null Star reduces damage but doesn't cancel status procs. O but I ALWAYS run Fleeting ;) (except on my max dur build so I can get 18 stars)

The whole point is to reduce the damage you take so you don't bleed to death. A Sentinel with Medi Ray can easily remove said injury.

And if you do that, I wonder why you still complain about Nova not doing her job when it is obvious those teams you got into are just blatantly leeching EXP by not doing anything.

TL:DR - Don't blame Speedva for making a team die. Sometimes it is due to the team's incompetence and lack of awareness in what they should be doing. Speedva was never a babysitter's build.

[Ace4225]

8 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

Speed Nova works for everyone except if the team is extremely lazy and undergeared

So basically every Public matchmake ever.

Why can't we start talking about what makes us all happy?

If m-prime simply didn't speed up OR slow enemies down, wouldn't it be fine?