Nitain Extract

[DrakeWurrum]

31 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

Point is, you have to choose what to get carefully. So it requires you to think beforehand instead of spending it all in a moment.

31 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

As explained before, it's not. You just made a bad choice and don't want to accept it.

Punishing the players this way for not "thinking ahead" with their currency is NOT good for the game

31 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

Complete the full nightwave and you'll get 15 creds for each level

Not in Intermission. It doesn't go above 30 in Intermission. I tried in the first Intermission, and it was hard-capped at 30.

32 minutes ago, Iamabearlulz said:

I say bring back Nitain alerts, and let Nightwave be the secondary source. Remind me why alerts got removed anyway?

Not only is this not feasible, it's stepping backwards.

The Nitain Alerts happened every 6 hours exactly, meaning the only realistic way to farm it was to plan specifically to be on for that one super-easy mission every time, regardless of what your schedule is like in real life. Which is ridiculous.

It's stepping backwards because it's throwing your hands up in the air and going back to an old design - a design the community was constantly complaining about because it was even more flawed than Nightwave. The problem is easily solved by giving us better ways to build up NW Cred for buying Nitain with, and therefore working with the current system by addressing its flaws. And would result in Nitain farming being much less painful, while also giving new players an easier time in collecting all the rewards that come from the shop.

Edited December 15, 2019 by DrakeWurrum

[(NSW)Belaptir]

2 minutes ago, TheChaotic1 said:

Arguing about nonsense so ignored.

It's not my problem if you can't express yourself correctly. Don't write sentences as if they were facts when they are your opinion.

 

2 minutes ago, TheChaotic1 said:

Finally, an actual on topic sentence fragment, Okay to rebuke this, I disagree. Do you want to try and convince me otherwise?

I'm actually fine with your way of thinking. Your lack of foresight is not my problem and you seem to not understand it. Also, you seem to be too agressive towards people who disagree with you so another point why I don't want to even try.

 

4 minutes ago, TheChaotic1 said:

I made this topic because I feel running sabotage missions are not fun to run in mass, and that it can be fixed easily, which I made sure to bold later since it was so hard to understand that was the main point. You did contribute that to the rest of the discussion

But you know... If you change topics in the middle of the conversation, it's not everyone else's fault. Want me to quote your own posts where you say that the problem is about how difficult is to find Nitain and how I try to explain that it's not but you just made it difficult for yourself?

 

7 minutes ago, TheChaotic1 said:

"bruh just wait thirty entire nightwave levels, I am very smart"

"bruh, just don't spend all the creds on getting beacon and all this topic wouldn't exist. I am very smart"

[(NSW)Belaptir]

8 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said:

Punishing the players this way for not "thinking ahead" with their currency is NOT good for the game

It's called "managing limited resources". People should think carefully whant they spend their limited resources on. If I spend all my plat and can't buy anymore, should I complain about how hard is to get plat in this game?

 

16 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said:

Not in Intermission. It doesn't go above 30 in Intermission. I tried in the first Intermission, and it was hard-capped at 30.

No is not. I'm rank 33 on the Nightwave intermission right now. And I can confirm you the 15 creds reward per rank.

[TheChaotic1]

19 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said:

It's stepping backwards because it's throwing your hands up in the air and going back to an old design - a design the community was constantly complaining about because it was even more flawed than Nightwave. The problem is easily solved by giving us better ways to build up NW Cred for buying Nitain with, and therefore working with the current system by addressing its flaws. And would result in Nitain farming being much less painful, while also giving new players an easier time in collecting all the rewards that come from the shop.

 

I think its only stepping backwards if other methods are removed, I can't speak for others but I kinda miss alerts, seeing an alert for a mod you dont have or some rare resource was a good way to break up the gameplay and take natural breaks, so making it so we can grab alerts randomly AND do nightwave for alert rewards seems like a good way to do it, I am still confused as to why they were removed at all, just to add nightwave?

12 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

It's not my problem if you can't express yourself correctly. Don't write sentences as if they were facts when they are your opinion.

Its your opinion that I was stating facts. For me personally its common sense that if someone is posting a feedback thread, they are in no way working with objective facts, and that opinions are going to differ. Thats the nature of this section.

12 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

I'm actually fine with your way of thinking. Your lack of foresight is not my problem and you seem to not understand it. Also, you seem to be too agressive towards people who disagree with you so another point why I don't want to even try.

Trust me, my foresight is on a whole nother level, but you are right, my foresight isnt your problem, your problem is you want to be right, and are arguing about things that are off topic because you somehow think you can convince me sabotageses are fun because I messed up my nightwave credits, which is something I admitted in the first post, and have constantly said isnt DE's fault. If you would like to make your own feedback thread ABOUT my foresight, I'd be delighted to argue with you about it there. Honestly I appreciate your stubbornness to not get on topic now because its given my thread a lot of activity.

12 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

But you know... If you change topics in the middle of the conversation, it's not everyone else's fault. Want me to quote your own posts where you say that the problem is about how difficult is to find Nitain and how I try to explain that it's not but you just made it difficult for yourself?

See the thing is, I established the topic, you just kept ignoring me when I said it, and still are, and are now saying I changed topic, when in reality I have been desperately trying to get on topic, but for the record, I again could in no way own the nitain and the wolf creds right now, without real life money being involved somewhere along the line. I could have bought the wolf items with real money, but I did it the proper way, and I personally accept that, I'm not even complaining about there not being enough credits in the early nightwave, I am trying to open a dialogue about how getting nitain from sabotage, sucks. I cant make it any more plain than that.
 

 

12 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

"bruh, just don't spend all the creds on getting beacon and all this topic wouldn't exist. I am very smart"

"Bruh just dont play the game and you cant run out of nitain, I am so smart, you dont understand, I am clever if I had a tail I'd be a fox, I am so quick witted that I dont even need to read entire topics to argue against them"

Edited December 15, 2019 by TheChaotic1

[(NSW)Belaptir]

4 minutes ago, TheChaotic1 said:

 

[Snip]

Pointless to argue with you. You should work your anger management, will do you good when you receive criticism.

[TheChaotic1]

5 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

Pointless to argue with you. You should work your anger management, will do you good when you receive criticism.

I'm sorry I gave you the impression I was angry, I love to debate like this. I literally need to be up right now for an important call, and was like "Hey what will keep me awake" and the answer was "Posting a minor opinion on warframe so someone will come argue with me"

Now mind you that doesnt mean I dont think it needs to be changed, I just like to multitask, like if nitain dropped on a defense or interception mission, thats perfect for multitasking and I'd have no issue

Edited December 15, 2019 by TheChaotic1

[DrakeWurrum]

18 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

No is not. I'm rank 33 on the Nightwave intermission right now.

I'm glad they at least did it right this time.

18 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

It's called "managing limited resources".

I'm telling you that making the only way to get Nitain Extract a "limited resource" is punishing to the players.

And I'm telling you that restricting easy Cred farm to people who've gone past rank 30 is especially punishing to newer players, with less powerful loadouts, because they can't necessarily do enough challenges to get that far. Not to mention it does take dedication to getting that far in Nightwave, without any indication that Cred will be rewarded so freely when you do get there.

Getting 15 Cred per rank-up should be something applying to *all* ranks of Nightwave.

17 minutes ago, TheChaotic1 said:

I can't speak for others but I kinda miss alerts, seeing an alert for a mod you dont have or some rare resource was a good way to break up the gameplay and take natural breaks

We still get that feel with the rotating shop rewards - it pulls from the same pool as the old Alerts, plus some extra things thrown in that weren't there before. Problem is that Cred is limited.

It's also worth pointing out that I hadn't touched Alerts for years by the time Nightwave was put in, with the singular exception of Gift of the Lotus. I had all the rewards.

Edited December 15, 2019 by DrakeWurrum

[TheChaotic1]

4 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said:

I'm glad they at least did it right this time.

I'm telling you that making the only way to get Nitain Extract a "limited resource" is punishing to the players.

I cannot think of another single basic material behind such a weird time gate, it doesn't match up with the fast paced nature of the game.
*EDIT FOR RESPONSE*
I feel its more of an if it aint broke dont fix it deal, I really dont do nightwave at all, to get any of the good stuff is too much of a time sink for me, I don't play warframe every day, or even every week, more like every two weeks, and I don't wanna spend a whole session playing catch up on nightwave when I could be working on builds or something else

Edited December 15, 2019 by TheChaotic1

[(NSW)Belaptir]

2 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said:

I'm telling you that making the only way to get Nitain Extract a "limited resource" is punishing to the players.

I disagree. Players should have to bear with the consequences of their choices. It is fine if I have to decide what to do with the resources I have. When you are a low MR, most of the resources, given how limited access you have to the starchart make building a frame or weapon a choice, because you have to sacrifice those resources for something you want. Talk about orokin cells at first, or plastids...

It's not punishing, it's how everything work. You can't have everything in life and, to my understanding, even though there's resources like the nitain, Warframe is the less decision-gated game I know: You can have all focus schools maxed, you can have all the frames without paying a dime and use them whenever you can, you can use whatever weapon you want without limitations... Look at other games, with fixed laodouts, or fixes classes... If you think Nitain is punishing because you have to choose to get it or to get other things, think about any other MMORPG where you can't be with the same character a support and a tank, or think about some shooters where you can't equip but fixed laodouts without choice of weapons... It's not punishing, you just can't have everything right now. You have to decide when to get each thing.

[(PSN)RazorPhoenix970]

Firstly Nitain is WAY more accessible than it ever has been, as long as you have creds it's there no time gate, no alert, no RNG, it's there in sets of 5 which is more than you could expect from 2 days of waiting on alerts in the old system. If you chose to squander your creds on Wolf Beacons that's your decision and therefore it's on you not DE that you don't have enough creds to buy Nitain.

If you said Alt Helmet alerts should come back that'd be fine, Kavat Genetic Codes alerts that'd be great but alertium alerts no no we're not going back to the dark ages because of irresponsible spending.

18 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said:

And I'm telling you that restricting easy Cred farm to people who've gone past rank 30 is especially punishing to newer players,

To be fair a newer player doesn't need a mountain of Nitain but I imagine they want Alt helmets so yeah...make all Alt helmets ever present in the shop and lower their costs

[DrakeWurrum]

5 minutes ago, (PS4)RazorPhoenix970 said:

To be fair a newer player doesn't need a mountain of Nitain

They need it more than I do, since I have everything in the game that Nitain could build. Who else is Nitain for?

7 minutes ago, (NSW)Belaptir said:

I disagree. Players should have to bear with the consequences of their choices.

Making players deal with consequences from choices is all fine and dandy.

Doing it with resources required to build gear in Warframe is NOT the way to do it. It doesn't create a positive gaming experience. Nobody feels rewarded for doing it right. Players only feel punished for doing it wrong.

It also implies that there's a right and wrong way to spend your Cred. There isn't.

Not when the whole point of Warframe is giving players the freedom to build their power fantasy to their liking.

Not when we've already been told in a devstream that they will later give us an item to refund all Intrinsic points when they implement the Command Intrinsic. What happened to consequences there?

Edited December 15, 2019 by DrakeWurrum

[TheChaotic1]

Just now, (PS4)RazorPhoenix970 said:

Firstly Nitain is WAY more accessible than it ever has been, as long as you have creds it's there no time gate, no alert, no RNG, it's there in sets of 5 which is more than you could expect from 2 days of waiting on alerts in the old system. If you chose to squander your creds on Wolf Beacons that's your decision and therefore it's on you not DE that you don't have enough creds to buy Nitain.

If you said Alt Helmet alerts should come back that'd be fine, Kavat Genetic Codes alerts that'd be great but alertium alerts no no we're not going back to the dark ages because of irresponsible spending.

To be fair a newer player doesn't need a mountain of Nitain but I imagine they want Alt helmets so yeah...make all Alt helmets ever present in the shop and lower their costs

Adding more doesnt equal to less, and you are 1000% right I remember when nitain was once a day if you happened to be on, I just really want to be done waiting to get nitain, for the foreseeable future, but the credits themselves are under a small time gate, so sometimes things line up and you need a bunch of nitain and you gotta wait even longer than before, or run a really annoying mission.I dont think anything should be removed from nightwave, that would be worse, leave it alone, and add alerts on top of the current process, plus you do have to wait on things in nightwave too, its just much more forgiving if you don't play for a few days. because its less rotations, but you do still gotta wait sometimes.

1 minute ago, DrakeWurrum said:

Making players deal with consequences from choices is all fine and dandy.

Trust me this person is not interested in a real discussion, they just are up their own ass that because I wanted to be self reliant and not buy things from the market, that somehow means I spent my credits wrong.

[(NSW)Belaptir]

Just now, DrakeWurrum said:

Making players deal with consequences from choices is all fine and dandy.

Doing it with resources required to build gear in Warframe is NOT the way to do it. It doesn't create a positive gaming experience. Nobody feels rewarded for doing it right. Players only feel punished for doing it wrong.

It also implies that there's a right and wrong way to spend your Cred. There isn't.

When I started playing warframe I had to choose what to build first because I didn't have enough of each material to build everything at the same time. The nitain is the same thing. Wolf beacons come every now and then both in the NW and with Baro and Nitain, Vauban and alt helms are fixed rewards. The only issue with nitain is picking what you want to build first and what you want to build later, there is actually no other conseaquence than the moment you will get one item or the other.

I never wanted to imply that there is a right and wrong way to spend creds, but the way you spend them will affect you, so thinking on what to use them will determine the outcome of all this. Nobody is telling you how to spend them, it's your call, and because of this, you're the only one responsible when you run out of them.

 

PS: My keyboard is not working well and I'm waiting for a replacement so there might be typos that I might oversee, I apologize for them.

[Squick]

You could have bought 1-2 wolf beacons instead of dumping all your creds in it, then nitain with the rest. You'd have gotten fun missions and had to run 0 "unfun" missions.

 

Alternatively, you could wait a few days when nightwave will have more tasks and get more credits.

 

You screwed up and you're blaming everything except yourself.

[TheChaotic1]

6 minutes ago, Squick said:

You could have bought 1-2 wolf beacons instead of dumping all your creds in it, then nitain with the rest. You'd have gotten fun missions and had to run 0 "unfun" missions.

 

Alternatively, you could wait a few days when nightwave will have more tasks and get more credits.

 

You screwed up and you're blaming everything except yourself.

This again, I bought a beacon, ran it, got a part, ran a beacon, got a repeat part, had to buy another beacon, process continues until I am out of beacons, I'm not blaming anyone, and the point of this thread is that I dont enjoy sabotage cache hunting and it shouldn't be the only way you can get nitain if the other methods are not available. Its not fun, thats it, its literally not fun to do, and I'd like something to be done about it because there is no good reason for it to be this annoying.

Edited December 15, 2019 by TheChaotic1

[(PSN)RazorPhoenix970]

3 minutes ago, TheChaotic1 said:

but the credits themselves are under a small time gate

Let me know if I'm getting this right, your perceived timegate is: "I need NItain" -> "I don't have enough creds" -> Do the chores to get standing for creds -> Rank up to creds reward -> Get creds -> Get Nitain

If this is so then you could have suggested funner activities or increased standing rewards per challenge. I can admit the tasks can be mindnumbingly boring at times, but you should still however manage your cred spend so you don't have to do those tasks as often.

The sabotage farm is entirely not recommended, by me at least.

 

[TheChaotic1]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)RazorPhoenix970 said:

Let me know if I'm getting this right, your perceived timegate is: "I need NItain" -> "I don't have enough creds" -> Do the chores to get standing for creds -> Rank up to creds reward -> Get creds -> Get Nitain

If this is so then you could have suggested funner activities or increased standing rewards per challenge. I can admit the tasks can be mindnumbingly boring at times, but you should still however manage your cred spend so you don't have to do those tasks as often.

The sabotage farm is entirely not recommended, by me at least.

 

You are reading this as a lot more petty than it is, I just think getting it without using nightwave shouldn't be soulcrushing, and I have to wait for the chores, but this topic isnt about nightwave at all, its about sabotage cache hunting. My nightwave situation is just how I noticed that it sucks. Its like forgetting to take out the trash so you get roaches, yeah its my fault the roaches are here, but we still gotta squash the bugs

Edited December 15, 2019 by TheChaotic1

[TheChaotic1]

90% of this thread plays out like this

Me: "Hey I broke a thing, it would be easy to fix"
Yalls: "Um, maybe dont break it?"
Me "Its still broke, this should still be dealt with"
Yalls, louder: "I said dont break it, it would be so easy to have not broken it by doing X/Y/Z"

[(PSN)RazorPhoenix970]

7 minutes ago, TheChaotic1 said:

"I said dont break it, it would be so easy to have not broken it by doing X/Y/Z"

Yeah pretty much, it was your fault at the end of the day

14 minutes ago, TheChaotic1 said:

I just think getting it without using nightwave shouldn't be soulcrushing

It will always be soul crushing it is the way of Nitain, remember Nitain from Sorties...yeah I don't want to either. Point is the history of Nitain seems to indicate that Nitain is supposed to be realistically obtained from one source, DE probably won't budge on that

[TheChaotic1]

21 minutes ago, (PS4)RazorPhoenix970 said:

Yeah pretty much, it was your fault at the end of the day

I have not at any point said it wasnt, just that the sabotage drop rate should be higher, people are talkiing about blame and fault, literally it was just rng, and I am gonna have to wait a little while, I'm not upset, I'm not afraid to admit this situation was my own creation, but literally every person who replies ONLY focuses on that.

[(XBOX)Rez090]

7 hours ago, DrakeWurrum said:

Not in Intermission. It doesn't go above 30 in Intermission. I tried in the first Intermission, and it was hard-capped at 30.

First intermission was capped at 15, both series 1 and 2 were capped at 60.