Remove Viral Status Immunity From Ambulas

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

Back in U22.8, Ambulas was given viral status immunity due to it having issues with becoming unhackable when afflicted by viral procs. However, Viral's effect has since changed, so it would be nice if the immunity was reverted as well.

[(XBOX)Rez090]

9 hours ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

Back in U22.8, Ambulas was given viral status immunity due to it having issues with becoming unhackable when afflicted by viral procs. However, Viral's effect has since changed, so it would be nice if the immunity was reverted as well.

Why change it now? Radiation does very well against the Ambulas, sometimes only needing one shot entirely to take it down.

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

1 hour ago, (XBOX)Rez090 said:

Why change it now? Radiation does very well against the Ambulas, sometimes only needing one shot entirely to take it down.

It’s not about being easy or hard, it’s about consistency. It was given the immunity because of an issue that should no longer exist.

[Keiyadan]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom:

It’s not about being easy or hard, it’s about consistency. It was given the immunity because of an issue that should no longer exist.

does it or should it not longer exist? thats the question and the aswer might be that it still bugs so yeah.

[(XBOX)Rez090]

10 minutes ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

should no longer exist.

Assumption

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

2 minutes ago, Keiyadan said:

does it or should it not longer exist? thats the question and the aswer might be that it still bugs so yeah.

Well you can’t quite answer if it does vs should as there is no way for players to directly test it. Closest you can get is Bursas, which are not immune and share a similar mechanic. As why why it should be gone, viral used to give back health when the proc ended. So you could have issues where you’d down an Ambulas, but then it would get its health back since it hadn’t died. Since viral has been changed to be a simple damage buff, that shouldn’t be an issue.

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

2 minutes ago, (XBOX)Rez090 said:

Assumption

If you have nothing constructive to add, then don’t bother replying. Of course it’s an assumption, that’s why I said “should” instead of saying “this issue does not happen”

[DoomFruit]

I would actually be OK with this... if both proc and elemental immunities and resistances were more widespread and logical. For instance, viral, toxin and gas (why exactly is there a difference between the latter two?) shouldn't do anything at all to robots, while all squishies ought to have very strong resistance to magnetic effects.

[TheLexiConArtist]

On 2020-12-25 at 12:30 PM, DoomFruit said:

I would actually be OK with this... if both proc and elemental immunities and resistances were more widespread and logical. For instance, viral, toxin and gas (why exactly is there a difference between the latter two?) shouldn't do anything at all to robots, while all squishies ought to have very strong resistance to magnetic effects.

Snakebites aren't mustard-gas. _{Yes that's technically venom and not poison but heck}

Also blanket immunity is bad. Think of it as kludging up their systems with contaminants or something of the sort.
Same as how slash procs 'bleeding' them is perfectly fine because cables and pipes of various mechanical fluids (oil, coolants, hydraulics) can be compromised (although you do have to handwave in some Nanomachines Son logic for why the proc expires.)

 

Also let's take 'Ambulas' out of the title and just make it "Remove arbitrary viral status immunities from everything," please? The whole 'Good news, now you can status these enemies!' spiel seems like a bit of a slap in the face when it's underhandedly delivered as only some statuses working for no reason given that the others do not.

[DoomFruit]

4 minutes ago, TheLexiConArtist said:

Snakebites aren't mustard-gas. _{Yes that's technically venom and not poison but heck}

Also blanket immunity is bad. Think of it as kludging up their systems with contaminants or something of the sort.

Same as how slash procs 'bleeding' them is perfectly fine because cables and pipes of various mechanical fluids (oil, coolants, hydraulics) can be compromised (although you do have to handwave in some Nanomachines Son logic for why the proc expires.)

Not blanket, but targeted immunity. Can't poison a machine (procs causing health loss) and the really nasty poisons like botulinum toxin or sarin need only a few milligrams or micrograms to poison someone - so that's not going to clog up anything. Neither will a lethal dose of Magic Space Ebola, which is going to be quite literally microscopic in size.

On the flipside, creatures are far more resistant to radiation than machines - the Soviets tried to use robots to deal with Chernobyl when it melted down, they all failed pretty much instantly and they had to send in poor conscripts to do the work. They certainly did die, but it took a lot longer for them to lose "functionality". Likewise, magnetic fields will really #*!% up complex electronics, but do very little to animals. Hacking attacks are a lot more feasible on robots than humans as well.

Expiring bleed procs on a robot is actually fairly easy - redundant hydraulic systems coupled with automatically sealing valves in case of a pressure drop.

[(XBOX)Rez090]

On 2020-12-27 at 12:03 PM, DoomFruit said:

Likewise, magnetic fields will really #*!% up complex electronics, but do very little to animals.

I'm really sorry but......magnetic fields will very much screw up some animals. What do you think birds use when they are flying south for the winter? Some animals have brains that are tied into magnetic fields. You did see the scene in the movie The Core, where all the birds at the beginning were flying kamikazes? The shifted/destabilized magnetic fields from the U.S. firing the prototype weapon into the Earth's core screwed up their sense of direction, probably also giving them massive headaches in the process too.

 

On 2020-12-27 at 12:03 PM, DoomFruit said:

Hacking attacks are a lot more feasible on robots than humans as well.

Eh, until we start integrating cybernetics more into the human brain.

[DoomFruit]

11 hours ago, (XBOX)Rez090 said:

I'm really sorry but......magnetic fields will very much screw up some animals. What do you think birds use when they are flying south for the winter? Some animals have brains that are tied into magnetic fields. You did see the scene in the movie The Core, where all the birds at the beginning were flying kamikazes? The shifted/destabilized magnetic fields from the U.S. firing the prototype weapon into the Earth's core screwed up their sense of direction, probably also giving them massive headaches in the process too.

Sure, it'll screw up navigation for magnetic-sensitive animals, but human soldiers (eg. grineer) can walk straight through and not even notice magnetic fields which would hard crash any computer.

And yes, I know that a strong enough magnetic field will affect biological things (see: the frog levitated inside a magnet), but the field strength required to do that is many orders of magnitude greater than that required to fry electronics. Hence strong resistance and not immunity.