Warframe Stat Changes Bleedover into Conclave

[Theroxenes]

In today's update, every Warframe received some adjustments to their health, shields, and/or armor.

For many of them, these changes have resulted in a change in their Conclave stats. Here are some illustrative charts --

HP/mobility chart pre-update:

After update (there are 8 frames in here that may not be accurate: Ash, Excal Prime, Khora Prime, Limbo Prime, Nekros, Nyx, Saryn, and Trinity, due to not having them for testing):

The red line represents the mobility of each frame, from 0.8 to 1.0 as shown on the right axis. The orange portion of the bar is HP + armor, the blue portion is shield. Prior to the update there was, with some outliers, a relationship between HP + armor + shield and the mobility stat. As you can see, after the update this relationship is essentially gone. Since mobility is the only consistent balancing factor for the differences in frame EHP, this is kind of a problem. The broadly inflated EHP values will also have an effect on the overall pace of PvP, though how much of a problem that is remains to be seen. Additionally, several frames received no increase in stats which makes them relatively very weak (Banshee, Banshee Prime, Equinox, Titania. Possibly Ash, Excal Prime, Khora Prime, Limbo Prime, Nekros, Nyx, Saryn, Trinity).

Source data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q2BcFDKtIz_P5RC1b0cH0JUVP_UEgyDasjQq9Ck4kV0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PhWePWu_DjOmp7JnMt9BYisMoGtBjPg3a_Q7zz_S1Rs

Edited October 19, 2023 by Theroxenes

[(PSN)IdoThea]

We forgot the conclave.

[(XBOX)GameGhost123]

I personally like the new ehp stats in conclave.  Might not all be around the same ehp but I like the buff. I think most players will eventually adapt to the newer ehp like they did way back when they bled over to conclave years ago too.

[traybong111]

37 minutes ago, (XBOX)GameGhost123 said:

I personally like the new ehp stats in conclave.  Might not all be around the same ehp but I like the buff. I think most players will eventually adapt to the newer ehp like they did way back when they bled over to conclave years ago too.

I'd be OK with the buffs if the eHP increase applied to all frames, but a significant chunk of the frames being outright irredeemably worse than other 2/3 of the roster cannot stand. Either buff shields and eHP across the board and let people adapt to longer TTK or revert the changes. Personally I'd prefer the latter but knowing Warframe, these changes will probably keep leaking in after every PvE update. But universal eHP increase also has to come with some buffs to guns and I know DE's never coming around to that.

Whichever way it turns out, current roster cannot stand.

Also nerf Atlas Prime eHP anyway OR increase his deceptive hitbox to match what a chonker he is.

[[DE]Megan]

Thank you for the report!

We're investigating now - it was not the intention for the Stat changes to bleed over into Conclave. We will aim to return the values as close as possible to what they were post-Update.

[(XBOX)GameGhost123]

Wow thanks for replying so quickly. You the best megan.

Edited October 19, 2023 by (XBOX)GameGhost123

[SteveCutler]

Wouldn't it be better to have as much parity as possible between the regular game and Conclave? I don't want Conclave to be a completely different game with entirely different stats, etc. The closer it is to normal gameplay, the easier it is for new players to get into it.

[Theroxenes]

Thanks for the quick response Megan. It would be amazing if this could be an opportunity to revisit the intended stat balancing for PvP, but if only a revert is in the cards I understand.

[Tachmag]

18 minutes ago, SteveCutler said:

Wouldn't it be better to have as much parity as possible between the regular game and Conclave? I don't want Conclave to be a completely different game with entirely different stats, etc. The closer it is to normal gameplay, the easier it is for new players to get into it.

Players will not have an easy time getting into a high mobility PvP gamemode where their Braton's entire magazine doesn't even kill someone.