Many people have issues with a randomizer, but what about making a "Deck" ?

[BR31]

Current set of problems: 
1- A lot of people dislike loadout randomizers.
2-Waframe has insanely wide arsenal and we get 3 picks per each slot and cannot reroll it.

General intention of the randomizer as i understand- is to block people from one trick pony strategy ,
giving incentive to try out different weapons and spend more resources for a wider arsenal .

Main problem with it right now- selection is so wide that instead of being an incentive - it acts as the opposite- people just ignore it.
This creates many leeches and provides unneeded tension.

Possible solution:
Making a deck for each loadout slot, which are gonna be guaranteed for the selection 1 slot, 50% for the second selection slot and 3rd is gonna be a 'Wild' card (full random as now).

Each deck should probably be in range of 30-40 weapons per loadout slot (For frames decide for yourself- i assume 15-20 is good enough).

With this solution you still get variety and an actual incentive to build a wide arsenal with the understandable limits of needed investment.

[Darlf]

5 hours ago, BR31 said:

Current set of problems: 
1- A lot of people dislike loadout randomizers.
2-Waframe has insanely wide arsenal and we get 3 picks per each slot and cannot reroll it.

General intention of the randomizer as i understand- is to block people from one trick pony strategy ,
giving incentive to try out different weapons and spend more resources for a wider arsenal .

Main problem with it right now- selection is so wide that instead of being an incentive - it acts as the opposite- people just ignore it.
This creates many leeches and provides unneeded tension.

Possible solution:
Making a deck for each loadout slot, which are gonna be guaranteed for the selection 1 slot, 50% for the second selection slot and 3rd is gonna be a 'Wild' card (full random as now).

Each deck should probably be in range of 30-40 weapons per loadout slot (For frames decide for yourself- i assume 15-20 is good enough).

With this solution you still get variety and an actual incentive to build a wide arsenal with the understandable limits of needed investment.

now  the deck will appy to nexst week so you cant just change it in start of new week and wait until game give you your best frame for this week missions after few re rolls ( from someone who dont know if you not active that mod game reroll picks i think it evry day ) 

[Chewarette]

Randomizer is fine, really. If really bad RNG, use your flex slot (Vosfor reward) to pick the meta thing you prefer and you'll stomp over EDA as if it was a Sortie.

And if you're in the 1-in-a-million case where nothing is usable, use 2 predetermined stuff, stomp over EDA and call it a day. The potential reward you'll be missing will not make your Warframe experience 10x worse, it will be absolutely negligible.

And if it's a matter of principle and you just abhor the Randomizer, well, you can still not use your Netracell entries and spam netracells instead.

[_Kit_Kat_Cat_]

1 hour ago, Chewarette said:

Randomizer is fine, really.

No, it's not.

1 hour ago, Chewarette said:

use your flex slot (Vosfor reward) to pick the meta thing you prefer and you'll stomp over EDA as if it was a Sortie.

And this is... "bad"... why, exactly?

Warframe is a power-fantasy game. We are supposed to be powerful and - over time investment and proper building - should be able to do exactly that. Stomp enemies - seeing the returns on the time and effort investment into your own build. And the key part? We should be able to fully choose on how to approach any game-mode, any threat, any enemy or mission type - via being able to chose ANY piece of gear. Not be shoehorned into only 3 frames, 3 primaries, 3 secondaries and 3 meelees. That's the whole point of it - the choice, the freedom, the player agency over how they play and enjoy their POWER-FANTASY. Randomizer takes all of this away. And this is not fine. Not even close.

Edited May 16 by _Kit_Kat_Cat_

[Chewarette]

29 minutes ago, _Kit_Kat_Cat_ said:

Warframe is a power-fantasy game. We are supposed to be powerful and - over time investment and proper building - should be able to do exactly that. Stomp enemies - seeing the returns on the time and effort investment into your own build. And the key part? We should be able to fully choose on how to approach any game-mode, any threat, any enemy or mission type - via being able to chose ANY piece of gear. Not be shoehorned into only 3 frames, 3 primaries, 3 secondaries and 3 meelees. That's the whole point of it - the choice, the freedom, the player agency over how they play and enjoy their POWER-FANTASY. Randomizer takes all of this away. And this is not fine. Not even close.

Cool rant - but you're not shoehorned into anything ; you can pick whatever Warframe and Weapons of your choice.

I would understand the complaints if the Randomizer was a hard choice (as in Circuit), but it's not in EDA. That's a moot complaint.

I won't reply further because 1- that's overdone, 2- that's uninteresting and 3- that's out of topic.

Edited May 16 by Chewarette

[_Kit_Kat_Cat_]

32 minutes ago, Chewarette said:

but you're not shoehorned into anything ; you can pick whatever Warframe and Weapons of your choice.

Yes. Yes, you are shoehorned into it. Otherwise you're not getting rewards. And no, refusing the rewards is not an option - when the whole point of the mode is to get said rewards in the first place. So yes. You are shoehorned into using gear that you otherwise wouldn't use.

[Chewarette]

24 minutes ago, _Kit_Kat_Cat_ said:

Yes. Yes, you are shoehorned into it. Otherwise you're not getting rewards. And no, refusing the rewards is not an option - when the whole point of the mode is to get said rewards in the first place. So yes. You are shoehorned into using gear that you otherwise wouldn't use.

You can get all relevant rewards* while still choosing stuff, though. Just because you don't want to doesn't mean you can't.

* if you need Vosfor, EDA is the absolute worst place to get 50 of those

[_Kit_Kat_Cat_]

26 minutes ago, Chewarette said:

You can get all relevant rewards* while still choosing stuff, though. Just because you don't want to doesn't mean you can't.

* if you need Vosfor, EDA is the absolute worst place to get 50 of those

I'm not talking about Vosfor. If you just use your own gear - as in, your own desired choices of warframe+primary+secondary+melee - you ain't getting a lot more than just the last Vosfor reward. I'm talking about shards/arcanes.

And no, refusing a reward is not an option for the overwhelming majority of people. Exactly why people find ways AROUND this obnoxious system. Leeching pubs in randomizer gear is one of the most popular ways, hoping the rest of the team will "carry".

Edited May 16 by _Kit_Kat_Cat_

[Xylena_Lazarow]

This is a solid idea, the current randomizer effectively forces a bunch of bad cards into your deck, and then it won't even let you mulligan a bad hand.

On 2024-05-16 at 8:38 AM, Chewarette said:

Just because you don't want to doesn't mean you can't.

Aren't you the person who claimed you "can't" do high level content on duration Zephyr? You are in no position to talk to other players like this. It's not about "can't" it's about a handicap puzzle solving mode just not being someone's thing in a power fantasy progression game. This is how I feel towards DA: