Can we have a non-pregnant Jade skin?

[PopocraftGD]

4 hours ago, WanderingJoe said:

To getting thread back on topic, I'll say this, my problem with jade has nothing to do with in game reasoning. To me, this is akin to someone sitting down at a dnd table wanting to play as the pregnant npc from the quest we just got done completing. It's a feeling of "...jeez dude. Can we please not? This is getting wierd and I don't think this game is the right place for this kind of character." Asking for a toggle to change the pregnancy belly on and off is something that various players want, each with thier own reason, from personal quandary to fashion frame. Most of us have a sentiment of "I don't like how this looks, can I please turn it off?" An alternate form/auxiliary toggle is the best ending for both sides of the debate to be happy.

It does have slightly to do with in game reasoning but yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

[(XBOX)KayAitch]

4 minutes ago, PopocraftGD said:

Idk what you mean by valkyr muscles

This is what Valkyr looked like: https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Valkyr_Gersemi_Skin

Then Alad V got hold of her and partially flayed that skin off to the base Valkyr you get, complete with shock collar and chains.

7 minutes ago, PopocraftGD said:

And you can't convince me that jade's baby is a source of strength

I mean, I put some mods on it and it shoots rapid heat lasers that melt most enemies, seems pretty strong to me.

[PopocraftGD]

4 minutes ago, (XBOX)KayAitch said:

This is what Valkyr looked like: https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Valkyr_Gersemi_Skin

Then Alad V got hold of her and partially flayed that skin off to the base Valkyr you get, complete with shock collar and chains.

I mean, I put some mods on it and it shoots rapid heat lasers that melt most enemies, seems pretty strong to me.

Ooh, that's some cool lore, thanks. Also, lmao

[Pneumanoultra]

1 hour ago, (XBOX)KayAitch said:

This is what Valkyr looked like: https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Valkyr_Gersemi_Skin

Then Alad V got hold of her and partially flayed that skin off to the base Valkyr you get, complete with shock collar and chains.

I mean, I put some mods on it and it shoots rapid heat lasers that melt most enemies, seems pretty strong to me.

I thought Glory fired out of her Ophanem orbiters. With Ophanem Eyes active the beams from Glory fire right out of them. If it isn't active they briefly appear to fire a beam and then disappear.

[project_eulogy]

Naw man. DE is one of the reasons i am hellbound.

People saw she was pregnant and immediately threw Garuda's Bloodshed Sigil on her and called it a day. I indeed laughed harder than i should have. Especially when using her 4.....

[Agall]

On 2024-06-24 at 8:32 AM, Luigispikachu said:

and we aren't asking for the removal, just a toggle so we can stop feeling uncomfortable over a tactless concept

Sounds like more of a 'you' problem than a problem with Jade's model.

[(XBOX)KayAitch]

9 minutes ago, Pneumanoultra said:

thought Glory fired out of her Ophanem orbiters

Watch other players using it.

If you could toggle off her pregnancy she'd open a flasher mac and fire lasers from her crotch.

10 minutes ago, Pneumanoultra said:

With Ophanem Eyes active the beams from Glory fire right out of them

They have their own effect, like lines from the little drones and a torch-like light around your reticle.

Mind you, I put a lot of fire rate on Glory (infinite magazine means more fire rate is better than more damage for DPS, Arcane Velocity FTW) and that might mess with anims.

 

[project_eulogy]

8 minutes ago, Agall said:

Sounds like more of a 'you' problem than a problem with Jade's model.

Well. this is more of a "bad timing" issue on DE's part due to some people's politics in our current timeline.. Its like when Dead by Daylight took away all of Leatherface's masks because people claimed it was racist. I don't find it offensive.. but I can see why. It could also be a trigger for some people. We have several skins where frames have a hole in the head, guts visible, frames cut in half, frames being an amalgamation of parts etc etc. Let people default to a skin that will hide the subject matter for themselves instead of removing it. Let people coddle themselves in a video game instead of ruining the fun for the rest of us. Easy compromise.

[Agall]

4 minutes ago, project_eulogy said:

Well. this is more of a "bad timing" issue on DE's part due to some people's politics in our current timeline.. 

I keep up to date on mainstream politics and have no idea what you're referring to.

If pregnancy is triggering, then they should complain to their mother, who brought them into this world, not Warframe's devs.

[-AncientWarrior-]

Yes please, I feel for Jade everytime I stab her belly with the Helminth, over and over and over .. its just not right and a bit creepy .. I'd buy a non-preggy skin instantly

[Agall]

8 hours ago, RLanzinger said:

🤣 : Oh @Stormandreas, can't you let me have a ^{tiny victory} for ONCE ...

 

Also I presume your "the Jade we have, is not the same Jade, but somehow, also is the same Jade." is more befitting the The Players of Null-A than Eternalism.

Eternalism is All that existed and will exist IS still here. Like when The first Doctor Who meet the Eleven to save the world.

And Jade state is akind to the Ship of Theseus, as you can replace every part of her but she is still the one and only JADE... pregnant or non.

My PoV is more Samsara Philosophy : You soul transmigrate from a past body to a new one; They are not the same body but it's still you.

 

Did I win you ? dear founder 😁

I demand compensation for the facial muscle injury I sustain from severe cringing while reading your posts.

Its not just the excessive text formatting, but also the idea that you put this much effort into editing every post.

[PopocraftGD]

25 minutes ago, Agall said:

Sounds like more of a 'you' problem than a problem with Jade's model.

Every problem is someone's problem. The problem of jade's model is a problem to a lot of people, more than it has been for almost any warframe model in the past, for various good reasons. You can have your opinion on it but you can't just dismiss all of it by saying 'I don't have a problem with it'.

[Agall]

2 minutes ago, PopocraftGD said:

Every problem is someone's problem. The problem of jade's model is a problem to a lot of people, more than it has been for almost any warframe model in the past, for various good reasons. You can have your opinion on it but you can't just dismiss all of it by saying 'I don't have a problem with it'.

There's some weirdos who might have a problem with the fact that Jade is a female Warframe, on top of every Warframe who's female. Those people can be relegated to the fringes of society just like those who might find pregnancy uncomfortable for some reason. Its alarming to even think about.

Pregnancy is as normal as Hildryn's or Grendel's thicker physique.

I can complain all day about how Excalibur needs to do more chest, but that doesn't mean DE should go giving him proportionately sized pectoral muscles because of my fringe opinion. 

[Pneumanoultra]

25 minutes ago, (XBOX)KayAitch said:

Watch other players using it.

If you could toggle off her pregnancy she'd open a flasher mac and fire lasers from her crotch.

They have their own effect, like lines from the little drones and a torch-like light around your reticle.

Mind you, I put a lot of fire rate on Glory (infinite magazine means more fire rate is better than more damage for DPS, Arcane Velocity FTW) and that might mess with anims.

 

I'll have to check then lol. I've seen a few Jade's flying around, but haven't gotten that good of a look at where the lasers come from.

[Luigispikachu]

Just now, Agall said:

There's some weirdos who might have a problem with the fact that Jade is a female Warframe, on top of every Warframe who's female. Those people can be relegated to the fringes of society just like those who might find pregnancy uncomfortable for some reason. Its alarming to even think about.

Pregnancy is as normal as Hildryn's or Grendel's thicker physique.

I can complain all day about how Excalibur needs to do more chest, but that doesn't mean DE should go giving him proportionately sized pectoral muscles because of my fringe opinion. 

at the risk of feeding this troll, this issue runs a whole lot deeper than you're making it out to be. but sure, clearly pregnancy based trauma or general discomfort with PUTTING A PREGNANT WOMAN IN THE LINE OF FIRE is just a personal "fringe" issue, and we should *totally* get over ourselves because this one founder can't get a bigger 6 pack on excal.

[Luigispikachu]

honestly we should just get louder for every troll that tries to gaslight us into shutting up

[PopocraftGD]

7 minutes ago, Agall said:

Pregnancy is as normal as Hildryn's or Grendel's thicker physique.

How can you even compare those? We're not talking general occurances in real life, we're talking warriors on a battlefield.

Edited June 25 by PopocraftGD

[(XBOX)AnnabelleNewell]

On 2024-06-22 at 3:04 PM, ChangelingRain said:

[Citation needed]. She has the exact same glowing orb in her belly as she does in the quest, that, in the quest, leaves her belly when she gives birth. So the simplest explanation is that the Jade we build is still pregnant.

No she is not. Please take a class in female anatomy after birth.

It's clear sex-ed is failing in public schools.

[(XBOX)AnnabelleNewell]

On 2024-06-22 at 3:17 PM, WanderingJoe said:

And you, madam, are practicing selective reading, ignoring context clues.

Your posts seem disingenuous in nature. The people who have a complaint about this situation are entitled to their opinions and if DE values their consumer base, they should be willing to at least consider the voices of some of their customer base if they have an issue with an update. For every new mother that loves the idea of sharing the figure of a new frame there are those of us who do not relish the though pf playing a warframe that will permanently look pregnant, despite your attempts to misconstrue the conversation by say pregnancy bellies don't go away immediately. The argument made for saying "she's not pregnant, she just looks like it" contradicts your point as it acknowledges that Jade will continue to look this way in perpetuity if this slowly building into a controversial topic is not addressed. She will always look pregnant unless her appearance is updated, so the argument of how an irl body changes over time does not apply to digital assets.

If you want people to listen, don't simply tell them their opinion is stupid so they should just go away and not play the game. Talk reasonably. Genuinely approach the issue and perhaps you may persuade some here to your position. Perhaps you will find yourself persuaded as well. We are open to discussion like reasonable people.

At the very least, recognize that if our attempts to talk about this are as futile as you say they are, then surely this thread is harmless as it wouldn't produce results. We hope otherwise. 

Sincerely
     a Wandering Joe

I'm not acknowledging this drivel. Go about your day. I agreed with you up until you contradicted yourself.

[(XBOX)AnnabelleNewell]

On 2024-06-23 at 12:12 AM, 0bsi said:

No it doesn't, but it also doesn't stay as big as it is before the birth, nor does it have a moving light inside it that can be interpreted as life inside... and (speaking from exeperience as someone who has been pregnant and birthed a child), a no-longer-pregnant woman doesn't lovingly rub the belly as she does in her idle animations.  The animation set alone implies that she is pregnant.
 

Whether or not there is supposed to be a baby inside there or not, the representation of a pregnant belly (whether there is a baby inside or not) is enough for some people to feel uncomfortable.

People feeling uncomfortable with a belly sure must hate Grendel too huh?

Its a dumb thing to be upset over.

[Agall]

19 minutes ago, PopocraftGD said:

How can you even compare those? We're not talking general occurances in real life, we're talking warriors on a battlefield.

Just like how Dante's beard isn't a safety hazard, or Kullervo's dozen knives in his chest, or all of the snag hazard tassels on multiple Warframes aren't snag/trip hazards.

All Warframes should resemble realistic warriors, yes, makes sense.

23 minutes ago, Luigispikachu said:

at the risk of feeding this troll, this issue runs a whole lot deeper than you're making it out to be. but sure, clearly pregnancy based trauma or general discomfort with PUTTING A PREGNANT WOMAN IN THE LINE OF FIRE is just a personal "fringe" issue, and we should *totally* get over ourselves because this one founder can't get a bigger 6 pack on excal.

Ah yes, the classic 'dismissing someone as a troll' argument.

This is a Scifi fantasy game with a focus on build and cosmetic creativity, not Battlefield or Call of Duty... Don't take yourself too seriously...

[PopocraftGD]

3 minutes ago, Agall said:

Just like how Dante's beard isn't a safety hazard, or Kullervo's dozen knives in his chest, or all of the snag hazard tassels on multiple Warframes aren't snag/trip hazards.

All Warframes should resemble realistic warriors, yes, makes sense.

Ah yes, the classic 'dismissing someone as a troll' argument.

This is a Scifi fantasy game with a focus on build and cosmetic creativity, not Battlefield or Call of Duty... Don't take yourself too seriously...

I never said realistic warriors. Tho I guess I should've specified scifi warriors. But still, you're perfectly fine comparing a tripping hazard to bringing a baby to a battlefield?

Even in a scifi setting, playing an action game as a pregnant woman is not right.

[(XBOX)AnnabelleNewell]

On 2024-06-24 at 3:46 PM, (XBOX)Omega399 said:

To be fair, I think DE's also giving it the Hildryn wait and see, since it doesn't seem like Jade really is as controversial as people are making her out to be. Like most of the negative reception seems to have peaked a day or two after her release saw a fair bit of positive reception, and has been largely overtaken by indifference or more gameplay-focused issues since. 

She's honestly a solid frame, she needs a bit of work to make her abilities a smidge stronger is all because she can be very squishy in combat and flight is rather slow on her 4th.

[WanderingJoe]

Lets just put it this way: We find it as weird as if someone put pregnant Spartans in Halo. Lore aside, this is a game that focuses on combat. Most of us asking for a toggle are simply saying we don't like imagery that puts pregnant women in combat scenarios, for one reason or another. Noone is saying anything along the bad faith arguments of saying  pregnant women aren't normal. We're just saying that a videogame about combat isn't something we want to have to be forced to see. I have a friend who actively leaves public sessions when he sees a Jade, for reasons personal to him and his family. My own opinion aside, I'd love to have the choice to play the new frame without making him uncomfortable.

[Luigispikachu]

19 minutes ago, Agall said:

Just like how Dante's beard isn't a safety hazard, or Kullervo's dozen knives in his chest, or all of the snag hazard tassels on multiple Warframes aren't snag/trip hazards.

All Warframes should resemble realistic warriors, yes, makes sense.

Ah yes, the classic 'dismissing someone as a troll' argument.

This is a Scifi fantasy game with a focus on build and cosmetic creativity, not Battlefield or Call of Duty... Don't take yourself too seriously...

my brother in light, you are dismissing my argument because "it's a game" and don't act like you aren't also doing that to everyone else