Aktriaz Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Crimson Dervish needs to be nerfed. Do I even need to explain why? Anyone who knows what it is knows what I'm talking about. This Stance can make any Longsword better than most of the weapons in the game. why why the 300% damage who thought it was a good idea to do this what really what I'm so baffled by this decision why does Iron Phoenix even exist no one's going to use it with Crimson Dervish's sheer power overshadowing it at this point Iron Phoenix is just wasting hard drive space (just like Spectra huehuehue) ...I think I'm going insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCometCE Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) I think the 300% damage is pretty justified when you consider the stance has no ability to gap close and has a pretty limited range due to the weapon type, I think it's just fine. edit: also it's sloooooooooooooooooooow Edited June 27, 2014 by TheCometCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega224 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I prefer iron phoenix over crimson dervish the sheer damage increase makes up for the slow swings they actually put out similar dps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7grims Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 it exists to motivate ppl to use heavy melee, since the melee 2.0 update heavy melee seems to be not so much worth to use as it once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)StoneRevolver Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Shhhhhhhh! Enough with the calling for nerfs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teqnologyque Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) Guys, I think you're all forgetting one key, very important thing about Crimson Dervish; It looks f***ing gorgeous. Iron Phoenix is the S#&$ kids do when they play-fight with sticks, Crimson Dervish Looks like a f***ing tornado made of knives dancing a f***ing tango. Edited June 27, 2014 by Teqnologyque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixty5 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Crimson Dervish is a pretty meh stance IMO, I usually end up missing most of my hits since they feel wonky. Iron Phoenix has a really nice lunge in its basic attack pattern, and it's combo is easy to execute, and procs off the Heatswords fire esplosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011100110110000101101101 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Guys, I think you're all forgetting one key, very important thing about Crimson Dervish; It looks f***ing gorgeous. Iron Phoenix is the S#&$ kids do when they play-fight with sticks, Crimson Dervish Looks like a f***ing tornado made of knives dancing a f***ing tango. Kids play fighting with sticks can break the Sound Barrier AND make their stick explode with their sheer awesomeness? Oh boy lemme go get a stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktriaz Posted June 27, 2014 Author Share Posted June 27, 2014 I think the 300% damage is pretty justified when you consider the stance has no ability to gap close and has a pretty limited range due to the weapon type, I think it's just fine. edit: also it's sloooooooooooooooooooow Not as slow as most heavy weapons. Closing the gap? Heavy weapons. it exists to motivate ppl to use heavy melee, since the melee 2.0 update heavy melee seems to be not so much worth to use as it once was. wat no really, could you please try and rephrase that? That's like saying a Boltor Prime is supposed to motivate people to use Spectra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Implodingbanana Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I think the 300% damage is pretty justified when you consider the stance has no ability to gap close and has a pretty limited range due to the weapon type, I think it's just fine. edit: also it's sloooooooooooooooooooow ^this^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowExistence Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 remember Hek?remember strun wraith? OH, and do you remember like half the forum was screaming for longswords to be useful?Now that you got it, you scream nerf....Do you even realise how stupid that looks?No nerf needed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktriaz Posted June 27, 2014 Author Share Posted June 27, 2014 remember Hek? remember strun wraith? OH, and do you remember like half the forum was screaming for longswords to be useful? Now that you got it, you scream nerf.... Do you even realise how stupid that looks? No nerf needed here. Did people want them to be better than heavy weapons? After Melee 2.0, Longswords closed the difference with now similar dps, and more mobility. 300% Damage Makes longswords not only faster and more mobile, but also have higher damage per hit than all heavy weapons. Whats the point of Heavy weapons? Also, people screamed nerf with Trinity, Frost, and Nova. Sometimes nerfs are needed. (I actually been seeing more of the other frames since Nova and Trinity were nerfed) It's the same principle with weapons. I can't remember the last time I saw someone use a heavy weapon other than Jat Kittag (even that was a while ago). Welcome to Dakra Prime 2.0, where you have one stance, with one 3-button combo, but that's all you'll ever need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celle-Reveris Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Did people want them to be better than heavy weapons? After Melee 2.0, Longswords closed the difference with now similar dps, and more mobility. 300% Damage Makes longswords not only faster and more mobile, but also have higher damage per hit than all heavy weapons. Whats the point of Heavy weapons? The answer should be to buff heavy weapons to match, then. They've fallen a bit behind since they were the charge attack kings of melee 1.0 a system which no longer exists. Dervish is fine as it is, really, it's got no reach and limited reliability in a crowd; looks fancy, but is relatively slow. Looks pretty balanced to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I think the 300% damage is pretty justified when you consider the stance has no ability to gap close and has a pretty limited range due to the weapon type, I think it's just fine. edit: also it's sloooooooooooooooooooow Agreed entirely. I think that Crimson Dervish and Iron Phoenix are pretty on-par, honestly. Sure, Crimson Dervish hits three times harder than Iron Phoenix per swing, but keep in mind that Iron Phoenix attacks about twice as fast. So it's infinitely more mobile, does about two thirds of CD's DPS with simple E spam, and has a total 4x multiplier of its own in the third attack of the EE_EEEE combo (if both strikes connect; and that's assuming that they don't score headshots). Crimson Dervish doesn't need nerfing at all. Rather, other "slow" stances (Crossing Snakes, Pointed Wind, etc) need to be buffed to Crimson Dervish's level in order to give them a chance to compete with their more mobile counterparts (Swirling Tiger, Homing Fang, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detheroc Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Currently, stances are still bugged. Almost every combo has multipliers to its strikes, but those multipliers dont take basic damage mods(pressure point and spoiled strike) in consideration. So those 221% you may get for one combo, is only based off the base damage without damage mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Crimson Dervish needs to be nerfed. Lemmy guess: You use the Dragon Animetana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulzscha Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Thread title edited for clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starender Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 No range, bad speed, slows you down at each attack. it needs a small buff in speed, and a small nerf in damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starender Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Currently, stances are still bugged. Almost every combo has multipliers to its strikes, but those multipliers dont take basic damage mods(pressure point and spoiled strike) in consideration. So those 221% you may get for one combo, is only based off the base damage without damage mods. OMG really ? >< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tris1 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 doesn't need a nerf in any way it actual makes the swords more viable, skana prime and heatsword any maybe the others but let me guess your using a dakra prime besides I use iron phoenix prefer the lunge at the end of the strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shut Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Currently, stances are still bugged. Almost every combo has multipliers to its strikes, but those multipliers dont take basic damage mods(pressure point and spoiled strike) in consideration. So those 221% you may get for one combo, is only based off the base damage without damage mods. This is news to me. The 0.75x, 2x, and 3x multipliers in Iron Phoenix and Crimson Dervish have been working perfectly for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flackenstien Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) Or... we can put damage buffs on other stances.. Edited June 27, 2014 by Flackenstien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl_Facehugger Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Given how punishingly difficult CD is to acquire, I don't think it deserves a nerf at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacKillicutty Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Why do people scream nerf in a pve game? i dont get it.... On a side note, bring back charge attacks for heavy melee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrphanMaker Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) I maxed it and used it. As you can see from my icon am a loki player = melee. I am an advent sword user and can honestly say the their is nothing special about crimson dervish. When I used it, it was boring swirling spins that multiply to 3x slowly. I would rather use iron phoenix and multi hit 1 enimie at a time an build up my 3x multiplier and slaughter enemies. Using melee anyways will get you killed fast by poison or by getting shot by the multiple enemies watching you flailing about like a jack a**. As far as I am concerned crimson dervish sucks and I sold it for 35p to some noob that was buying into all the hype. If I get another I will do the same thing. NOOOO nerf noobs!!! Edited June 27, 2014 by OrphanMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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