Nah_NotReally Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 My clan has 60 members so far and the majority pvp all the time and we all have fun (otherwise they wouldn't do it). Why are there so many people who hate pvp and claim it's broken? I want a real answer so I can stop thinking that most people just aren't good at playing the game or using its controls in high demand situations. I don't want that to be the default thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Because some people just don't like things. What's wrong with that? Not everyone has to like everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCatLad Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I prefer casual PVE where I usually don't have to endure 13 year olds slinging slurs and stupidity. I've spent too many hours suffering in other PVP games to care for it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervara Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Make super big open maps with archwing weapons and 10v10 players and I'll play PVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Because some people just don't like things. What's wrong with that? Not everyone has to like everything. That's completely fine, but it seems like the majority are against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well, PVP at its current iteration is rather broken, especially with Dark Sectors PVP (Conclaves fare better due to people really following honour rules). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 That's completely fine, but it seems like the majority are against it. Within Warframe at least, PvP was never initially planned to be part of the game. It was only added because of player demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 That's completely fine, but it seems like the majority are against it. This is a mainly PvE game, so that seems about right. Within Warframe at least, PvP was never initially planned to be part of the game. It was only added because of player demand. That's not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Make super big open maps with archwing weapons and 10v10 players and I'll play PVP. that would be a packed dark sector conflict (beginning segment) with archwings. Seems like a lot, but I admit I'd enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) That's not true. Warframe was designed as a PvE game. PvP was added due to demand. Warframe was not designed from the ground up to incorporate Tenno vs Tenno. This has been stated in several places as well as at least two devstreams. Not to mention it pretty well DESTROYED the lore we had that Tenno were LOYAL only to one another, but hey... who cares about that when you can kill each other, right? Players demanded it, it was added. Edited October 21, 2014 by Kalenath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin_Warder Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 This is a mainly PvE game, so that seems about right. That's not true. Pretty sure it is tenno, one of the Dev streams, around the new mod system time, addressed this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Warframe was designed as a PvE game. PvP was added due to demand. It was not designed from the ground up to incorporate Tenno vs Tenno. This has been stated in several places as well as at least two devstreams. Just because a game was designed as PvE does not mean it was not ever going to have PvP. And anyways, nothing ever stated this would be a PvP-free game. The closest there is to that is an old FAQ saying that PvP just hadn't been added yet. Given DE's history with PvP games, it should have been obvious it would show up eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulbjorn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) This is a mainly PvE game, so that seems about right. That's not true. That is true. It was demanded by small vocal minority a long time ago. If not for those people, PvP would never made it into Warframe. Would it be better this way? Worse? Who knows. Edited October 21, 2014 by Vulbjorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkSpectre Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Because this game was built for PvE. If I wanted to play PvP I would go play a game that was meant for it. This game really doesn't fit PvP well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Not to mention it pretty well DESTROYED the lore we had that Tenno were LOYAL only to one another, but hey... who cares about that when you can kill each other, right? Conclaves did not destroy the lore. Dark Sectors PVP kind of did, but I just chalk it up to original Tenno being on their Lisets while they control a Spectre of themselves to fight (i.e.: A video game for Tenno). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValhaHazred Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) It was a really vocal minority that wanted it. I personally just don't really see the point. If I want to play PvP I fire up a game like Unreal, something balanced specifically for PvP conflict. Edit: Ninja'd on both counts. Edited October 21, 2014 by ValhaHazred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Just because a game was designed as PvE does not mean it was not ever going to have PvP. And anyways, nothing ever stated this would be a PvP-free game. The closest there is to that is an old FAQ saying that PvP just hadn't been added yet. Given DE's history with PvP games, it should have been obvious it would show up eventually. No, no one ever stated it would be a PvE only game. it was only SAID that Tenno were only loyal to one another, so it makes PERFECT sense for them to KILL each other. Perfect sense. After all, who needs lore when you can kill people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkSpectre Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Just because a game was designed as PvE does not mean it was not ever going to have PvP. And anyways, nothing ever stated this would be a PvP-free game. The closest there is to that is an old FAQ saying that PvP just hadn't been added yet. Given DE's history with PvP games, it should have been obvious it would show up eventually. Except it is true that this game was never going to have PvP until people started crying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Eh moving to GD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA347612890GT4078579132R Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Just because a game was designed as PvE does not mean it was not ever going to have PvP. And anyways, nothing ever stated this would be a PvP-free game. The closest there is to that is an old FAQ saying that PvP just hadn't been added yet. Given DE's history with PvP games, it should have been obvious it would show up eventually. I recall hearing from the developers way back in the day that they had no intention of adding PvP, since Warframe was designed from the ground up as co-op only, and that they only even decided because people wouldn't stop asking for it. Strikes me as weird, going to a game built entirely around co-op, and demanding PvP, when so many other games out there have PvP, but that's how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 No, no one ever stated it would be a PvE only game. it was only SAID that Tenno were only loyal to one another, so it makes PERFECT sense for them to KILL each other. Perfect sense. After all, who needs lore when you can kill people? Wait, that was the confirmation of it being PvE only? Huh, seems a little shaky. Just a little. Except it is true that this game was never going to have PvP until people started crying about it. Go on, find me a place where the devs have said "this game will not have PvP". I've looked before, nothing of the sort was ever said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nah_NotReally Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Eh moving to GD Gotcha. Wasn't sure where to post this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakshal Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 People get destroyed bringing their PvE gear in conclave and are convinced it is broken and should die in a fire. Basically people just are mad that they suck. :D Some parts are broken however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnoverman Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 PvP isn't the problem, really. Conclaves and clan dojo dueling rooms are all well and good. The problem is that PvP has completely locked off a major portion of the game (dark sector conflicts) from people who enjoy Warframe and even made it so that there's absolutely no way for the community as a whole to influence what's going on in the peacetime dark sectors by making that influence locked behind an unbalanced and stupid PvP system, which is why there's nothing but high taxes as far as the eye can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) For those saying that PvP was somewhat pushed by a vocal minority, that's a lie. http://mmohuts.com/editorials/warframe-qa-with-steve-sinclair-warframe-creative-director This interview with DE_Steve is almost 2 years ago. "So PvE are the roots of the experience. That being said, the future of Warframe is growth. More bosses, greater enemies, more factions, but eventually we will be reaching outward into giving Clans greater meaning and yes, eventually, PvP." It was always in their plans. Edited October 21, 2014 by RexSol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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