LazerusKI Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) just a simple question.I dont want to start a topic about "but he is good" or "you use him wrong", thats not the point.All i want to know is, are there plans to look into him? Why? Since Vauban came out, there was not much that he went through.Some very strong Bastille and Vortex nerfs, but nothing that benefits him.Compared to a frame like Valkyr, who got the strongest Armor ever. just a quote from the wiki: With Vigor, Vitality, and Steel Fiber equipped and maxed, an effective health of 4472 is possible, the highest possible for any warframe without using damage reduction abilities. Frosts rework gave him good offense skills besides his defensive snowglobe.Oberon got some pretty nice support-buffs on his skill.Excaliburs rework...i dont like him, but i would call it decent.Ash got his Shurikens of doom and went through a lot of Bladestorms Ember is still somehow worked on Mag got a new (and better) Bullet attractor and pullTrinity got nerfed, no more godmode spam ...there were a lot of changes as you can see. So many that i cant even remember all of them. But most of them beneficial for the frames.Thats the reason i want to know, if vauban will get changes too.As i said above, i dont want to start a topic about his epicness or why he is worthless. I like him, for leveling against infested there is nothing better than a vortex, and combined with a disarm loki he is even a god against the ranged stuff. If he is fine, whats the sense of this topic then? Actually...he is not that fine.Vauban needs a lot of time, forma and skill to work properly. And after all that he is only specialised in one thing, compared to other Defense-Frames that i will mention below. The things that are not so beneficial for Vauban are mainly his elements and his skillset. We have to admit that electricity and magnetic are not the best elements for damage. now with Tesla Link, i hope that the slash damage turns out to be nice, but still, i would love to see a different tesla kind, a Tesla that can actually kill stuff. Sure, the damage over time is nice (i mean when it hits all of its charges)...but i have never seen someone using Vauban for offense. Since we cant stick them to our Sentinels anymore, i cant even see a reason for that (somehow i miss that time) Every other defense frame has something for offense - except Vauban. Frost has Freeze, Icewave and Avalanche while he still has the Ultimate ranged defense - Snowglobe.Hydroid has his Barrage, Surge and Tentacles, while he can do something similar like Vortex with his Puddle - he can remove enemies completely from the fight until the target is secured.Banshee can buff and continuously knock down targets with her Quake just as examples.Vaubans only offense ability is Tesla, and Tesla is again mostly for defense, since you need to spam it to deal deadly damage. Also Vauban has to sacrifice a lot of slots to be effective. Maximum Efficiency (Fleeting Expertise + Streamline) to keep up his CC reduces his duration a lot.Maximising Duration (Narrow Minded + Continuity + Constitution) then to keep them active reduces his range again.Maximising the Range (Overextended + Stretch) then to keep the CC usefull reduces his power. So Bastille and Tesla are useless at the end. My Vauban has 5 Forma just to use the mods...At the end i can sit in a corner and spam Vortex. I cant deal damage and i cant tank damage.Also since Bastille has a targetcap, its not the primary choice for infested defense, so there is not much sense in maximising compared to vortex or the other skills.Tesla would only be usefull against Corpus, Bounce...lets ignore that, Bastille is more annoying than usefull, since the infested enemy wont walk towards you and get trapped, so Vortex is his primary skill in Infested Defense.With Loki he can also defend against Grineer/Corpus, and with Frost his stuff is just a small bonus there. My Frost Prime on the other hand is different. Not a single Forma and i can do everything. Maximum Efficiency - reduces the Duration.Durration (Just Narrow Minded) - Reduces my Range Stretch brings the range up again, enough to protect the Pod AND Nuke a good amout of enemies with Avalanche.Intensify strengthens my offense and defense, i have enough slots for Redirection and Shield, and i have even one slot opened. And all that without a single forma.I can tank, i can defend (snowglobe lasts 40s), i can nuke. You see? Vauban is only good against stuff in melee.To be effective in CC against infested, he has to sacrifice a lot. since he could not even "tank" a few shots with maximised health and shield, you wouldnt want him to go all offense anyways. Hydroid has stats above average and he can turn the defense-pod AND himself invulnerable to damage against infested with his puddle. Rhinos Stomp pulls enemies out of cover like bastille, just without targetcap and shorter duration, but with twice the range and it deals damage. Banshees Quake can make enemies stumble - again in twice the range of bastille, without a targetcap, while dealing damage over time.They can all be good at offense while also being good in defense. Vauban is the only one who is "special". Edited November 2, 2014 by LazerusKI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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