SeaUrchins Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 if anyone was war criminals, it was the Orokin. They deserved every death we gave them. Imagine the Orokin empire and people in it. Imagine a lonely insignificant individual in it, let's call him Grikn Frizzly, an engineer in one of the Orokin towers :] Now, this dude does not do anything but work to earn a living in the empire, pays taxes, repairs stuff, etc. And then suddenly a bunch of tennos gangbang and beat him to death with dead bodies of Orokin babies for being an "oppressor" and "greedy" and all. How did he earn his death? He chose to be born as Orokin? That's hilarious :] I bet you'd send humans to gas chambers if Lotus ordered you to lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altey Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Imagine the Orokin empire and people in it. Imagine a lonely insignificant individual in it, let's call him Grikn Frizzly, an engineer in one of the Orokin towers :] Now, this dude does not do anything but work to earn a living in the empire, pays taxes, repairs stuff, etc. And then suddenly a bunch of tennos gangbang and beat him to death with dead bodies of Orokin babies for being an "oppressor" and "greedy" and all. How did he earn his death? He chose to be born as Orokin? That's hilarious :] I bet you'd send humans to gas chambers if Lotus ordered you to lol Let them bath in their ignorance and blind faith and trust. Edited July 29, 2015 by Altey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Imagine the Orokin empire and people in it. Imagine a lonely insignificant individual in it, let's call him Grikn Frizzly, an engineer in one of the Orokin towers :] Now, this dude does not do anything but work to earn a living in the empire, pays taxes, repairs stuff, etc. And then suddenly a bunch of tennos gangbang and beat him to death with dead bodies of Orokin babies for being an "oppressor" and "greedy" and all. How did he earn his death? He chose to be born as Orokin? That's hilarious :] I bet you'd send humans to gas chambers if Lotus ordered you to lol Let them bath in their ignorance and blind faith. I still highly doubt that the Tenno murdered civilians, the fact that people from the Orokin Era like the father in the Anti Moa Codex (who identified as Orokin at least at one point in his past) lived stand testament to that, but even more so is the fact that a Tenno eliminated the Infestation to save a Dax - another of the Orokin - and a Lorist - not Orokin but still under their rule. It continues to strike me that the Tenno simply cut down the Emperors, and probably anyone who tried to get in their way. They didn't just go about murdering civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Institute-Marksman Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I still highly doubt that the Tenno murdered civilians, the fact that people from the Orokin Era like the father in the Anti Moa Codex (who identified as Orokin at least at one point in his past) lived stand testament to that, but even more so is the fact that a Tenno eliminated the Infestation to save a Dax - another of the Orokin - and a Lorist - not Orokin but still under their rule. It continues to strike me that the Tenno simply cut down the Emperors, and probably anyone who tried to get in their way. They didn't just go about murdering civilians. Morec0 to the rescue! Thank you very much. The Lotus be the Word, the Tenno be the Deed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altey Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Morec0 to the rescue! Thank you very much. The Lotus be the Word, the Tenno be the Deed. The lotus be the word and the word be dead* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaUrchins Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) It continues to strike me that the Tenno simply cut down the Emperors, and probably anyone who tried to get in their way. They didn't just go about murdering civilians. So you do share my point that tennos are guilty of treason, regicide and murder, all you question is the quantity of people they slaughtered? You know, they could have walked away from the empire, that's what you do when you don't like your job, you don't kill your boss or your co-workers like tennos did. Edited July 29, 2015 by SeaUrchins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-skimmer- Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) I bet you'd send humans to gas chambers if Lotus ordered you to lol For Lotus? Probably not. For a potato? Hmm... Edited July 29, 2015 by -skimmer- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) So you do share my point that tennos are guilty of treason, regicide and murder, all you question is the quantity of people they slaughtered? You know, they could have walked away from the empire, that's what you do when you don't like your job, you don't kill your boss or your co-workers like tennos did. Your boss and co-workers also don't create thinking, feeling life and then attempt to lord over it like it's some kind of lesser creature - i.e. the Grineer (and possibly the Sentients, but exactly what led to the Old War will explain that when it's revealed). And let's not forget that the Tenno themselves also weren't willing employees, they were child experiments turned into what we play as. Edited July 29, 2015 by Morec0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaUrchins Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Your boss and co-workers also don't create thinking, feeling life and then attempt to lord over it like it's some kind of lesser creature. If they did, would that mean that I have the right to take their lives instead of resigning my position? Is murdering less technologically developed species a crime more than murdering a more developed creature? :] As for creating creatures and lording over them, that is what we do with kubrows, should they kill us? :] What if the Orokin were as superior in terms of intelligence to tenno, as we are to kubrows? Would that justify their fiddling with tenno life? :] Edited July 29, 2015 by SeaUrchins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 If they did, would that mean that I have the right to take their lives instead of resigning my position? Is murdering less technologically developed species a crime more than murdering a more developed creature? :] As for creating creatures and lording over them, that is what we do with kubrows, should they kill us? :] What if the Orokin were as superior in terms of intelligence to tenno, as we are to kubrows? Would that justify their fiddling with tenno life? :] What breed of logic is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 What breed of logic is that? The same kind P.E.T.A. uses, most likely. Long story short, SeaUrchin; sapient creatures like the Grineer, Tenno, and Sentients are a far stretch from animals like the kubrow. So, yes, treating the kubrows as we do, pets and tools, is justifiable; the enslavement of beings like the Orokin did is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3EK3R Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Whether the genocide was justifiable or not is irrelevant. It has no relation to this topic whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaUrchins Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) In theory it adds a reason not to be affiliated with a certain faction in game, which is what the OP stated, so it is relevant. P.S. you realise nothing of the statements by Lotus apologists could not have triggered the genocide of the Orokin? :] Edited July 29, 2015 by SeaUrchins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoguro Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) I think we should get a choice on who is the one to speak and guide us through our battles. I personally think we should be able to choose after the rank 3 unlocking the syndicate and maxing out a syndicate whether we become a operant of that syndicate and ditch the lotus. If this was a option i would've joined the red veil by now and i kinda wish we got a choice instead of blindly following the lotus into battle and be able to chose whose motives we think are right *cough* *cough* Red Veil #DeathToTheLotus "You are a fire as feared as you are respected" - Red Veil rewrite the lore, maybe DE takes it ... and ... fix your troubles with the female part on this planet, dude ... share your ideas with your mom at first hand, it could help ... XD LOL Edited July 29, 2015 by 3QUINOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephiste Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Well since I'm hated by every syndicate except for veil, its either lotus or torture troops #torturetroops4lyfe Your edge drives you away from the truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Grihaly Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Imagine the Orokin empire and people in it. Imagine a lonely insignificant individual in it, let's call him Grikn Frizzly, an engineer in one of the Orokin towers :] Now, this dude does not do anything but work to earn a living in the empire, pays taxes, repairs stuff, etc. And then suddenly a bunch of tennos gangbang and beat him to death with dead bodies of Orokin babies for being an "oppressor" and "greedy" and all. How did he earn his death? He chose to be born as Orokin? That's hilarious :] I bet you'd send humans to gas chambers if Lotus ordered you to lol Killing civvies isn't balancing the system, I doubt civvies were killed in the uprising. I lol'd at "beating him to death with dead Orokin babies" As for the second part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 In theory it adds a reason not to be affiliated with a certain faction in game, which is what the OP stated, so it is relevant. P.S. you realise nothing of the statements by Lotus apologists could not have triggered the genocide of the Orokin? :] *sigh* I hate to invoke Goodwin's law... But you'd never see people as trying to say a "genocide" (better word: extermination) against the Nazis would be a morally wrong idea and whoever set it into motion is evil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-skimmer- Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 *sigh* I hate to invoke Goodwin's law... But you'd never see people as trying to say a "genocide" (better word: extermination) against the Nazis would be a morally wrong idea and whoever set it into motion is evil... Well, Lotus likes to say the word "Exterminate" a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice-Proxy Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Y'all need some Lotus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychedelicSnake Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I can be edgy too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellDevil Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Surpirse this isen't lock yet. Sigh remmebr this, lotus helps us when we need it, she guides us when we are lost, she picks you back up when a misson is bad. And always remember IT"S THE GRENIER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazenFury Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 It's not locked because all things considered, this is actually a rather healthy discussion on opinions on the Lotus, and the other factions. It's hilariously rare to get these kinda threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ELECTROxShOcKZz Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 It's not locked because all things considered, this is actually a rather healthy discussion on opinions on the Lotus, and the other factions. It's hilariously rare to get these kinda threads. I would like to thank myself for starting this thread ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Kinda confused with the OP. The Red Veil and Lotus have the same end goal. There means for achieving it differ a bit but they both want balance restored to the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ELECTROxShOcKZz Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Kinda confused with the OP. The Red Veil and Lotus have the same end goal. There means for achieving it differ a bit but they both want balance restored to the system. The thing is that I dont really trust her because she saved us once doesn't mean we should trust her as she is also holding information about our past and wont share it with us makes it even more fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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