LogaMC1995 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Steel meridians were Grineers, but now they oppose them. SM wanted a weapon that has both the looks of Grineer and effective against Grineers. Only weapon that made by Grineer and has most puncture damage are Hek and Harpak. Hek is maybe chosen because using a Grineer high ranker's weapon(Vay Hek) against his own race is much more badass. Plus Hek is a shotgun, Harpak is a needlegun. Just a theory. Also to make it sounds like Vay Hek when shortened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
321agemo Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 But that just a theory.... A GAME THEORY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzaro21 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 did I also mention that it sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbsky1 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) did I also mention that it sucks? If you happen to have bought P Ravage, no it does not.... Edited September 22, 2015 by Numbsky1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzaro21 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 If you happen to have bought P Ravage, no it does not.... in terms of DPS and procs/shot, it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoguro Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 it has less values at the trading chat then the sancti tigris, i simply cant understand that, if youre crowded with enemies the sancti tigris is useless ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_JustSomeone_ Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) did I also mention that it sucks? i've never used the normal hek.. i mostly use crit weapons cause i love them so... now that SM came with this shotgun (HEK) i started to love it.. I put some forma into this shotgun, tested into the void (SOLO), no loki,nova, or some frame to debuff mobs , only using corrosive projection...managed to kill lv 110+ heavy gunners... if lv 100 still is lame.. well i must be a nub xD Btw i dont care if the normal hek outclasses the SM one ... Edited September 22, 2015 by xDesconocidox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Momaw Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 If you happen to have bought P Ravage, no it does not.... Even without primed ravage, it remains one of the highest damage weapons in the entire game and massive overkill. It doesn't matter if you drop a 50kt tactical nuke or a 60kt tactical nuke on the enemy, they're still just as nuked. People are just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syntax3Error Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 When the multishot nerf will come vay hek will be a better choice between the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demdemeh Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 What makes the Vaykor Hek sensleless is the existence of Scattered Justice mod which can be used on regular Hek but not on Vaykor Hek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzaro21 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Even without primed ravage, it remains one of the highest damage weapons in the entire game and massive overkill. It doesn't matter if you drop a 50kt tactical nuke or a 60kt tactical nuke on the enemy, they're still just as nuked. People are just silly. well 50k is nothing on a level 100 Gunner or bombard..... there (if u actually land that number) the 10k between them is a big difference.... anb its not a crit shotgun, it hardly exceeds 50%, so half the shot will crit, but since u have crit build on, u must`ve dropped elemental mods, so it pretty much is the same damage output without Critical... except DPS builds are not RNG based like crits or status.......... you can use what u like, but personally, for now I think Vanilla Hek is better EDIT: the more the better, why would I go for 50k when I can go for 60k? that just doesn`t make sense, and if u ask me, other Grineer weapons could`ve used a better version, Hek was already overkill, I don`t see why it got a sidegrade... Ignis, Grinlok, Hind, Grakata, Sobek, and a lot more could`ve used a vaykor version.. but the best one gets another sister, and the worst ones still cry in a corner and same goes for tigris, penta and boltor, I see other guns who could`ve used a better variant Edited September 22, 2015 by Bizzaro21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immolator1001 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 well 50k is nothing on a level 100 Gunner or bombard..... there (if u actually land that number) the 10k between them is a big difference.... anb its not a crit shotgun, it hardly exceeds 50%, so half the shot will crit, but since u have crit build on, u must`ve dropped elemental mods, so it pretty much is the same damage output without Critical... except DPS builds are not RNG based like crits or status.......... you can use what u like, but personally, for now I think Vanilla Hek is better EDIT: the more the better, why would I go for 50k when I can go for 60k? that just doesn`t make sense, and if u ask me, other Grineer weapons could`ve used a better version, Hek was already overkill, I don`t see why it got a sidegrade... Ignis, Grinlok, Hind, Grakata, Sobek, and a lot more could`ve used a vaykor version.. but the best one gets another sister, and the worst ones still cry in a corner and same goes for tigris, penta and boltor, I see other guns who could`ve used a better variant Oh ya those level 100 gunners we run into all the time. Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzaro21 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Oh ya those level 100 gunners we run into all the time. Oh wait... you don`t face them frequently, your problem, I run into them almost everytime I am playing.... heard about solo survival 60 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arKRazor Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 There have been some fairly exhaustive Reddit posts detailing the statistical advantage the Vaykor has over the standard Hek even with a non-prime ravage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Findley563 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 There have been some fairly exhaustive Reddit posts detailing the statistical advantage the Vaykor has over the standard Hek even with a non-prime ravage. That's very true, however, people don't want to learn anything new and can't be taught anything. People don't like something so it has to "suck". I guess the best way to illustrate the idiocy is to point out that these are the same people who fail to be able to spell, but are right about absolutely everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dantos- Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I figured it existed to justify the existence of Prime Ravage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfdoggie Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Now explain why Scattered Justice continues to exist, defying engineering logic everywhere. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbsky1 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Now explain why Scattered Justice continues to exist, defying engineering logic everywhere. D It seems a little asinine that the devs claimed multishot without additional ammo consumption was a bug for over 2 years when they released a mod like Scattered Justice a little over half a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIR0B0N Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 in terms of DPS and procs/shot, it does Oh for crap's sake, Bizzaro you are just plain wrong. Since with P ravage you can get 47% crit per pellet , you have a high crit chance even with reduced pellet count. And when it crits, you get higher sustained damage which is the most important aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfdoggie Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 It seems a little asinine that the devs claimed multishot without additional ammo consumption was a bug for over 2 years when they released a mod like Scattered Justice a little over half a year ago. By lore standards, why on earth would Steel Meridian design an upgrade to their gun that can't use an upgrade for their gun that they already designed for it. It completely shatters logic and flips tables. Even if people think Vhek is fine as is without it, it still makes no sense that SM would deliberately ignore something that'd make it even better and fail to incorporate the ability to use it as if they forgot it existed even though they been using it all this time. That is what bothers me most about it. I'd hate to think that my favorite Syndicate has mentally ill weapon engineers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodan Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Why are people still whining that the mod should work on the Vaykor Hek? For gods sake people, the Hexis augment for the Burston Prime doesn't work on the Burston either. There's no sense in beating this dead horse. Besides, you'll all quit being salty about how the Vaykor Hek is apparently worse as soon as that multishot rework hits. Better get Primed Ravage before it does, because Vaykor Hek is going to be pretty much the king of crit shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaruis Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Keep on topic guys. This is a theory for lore-wise, not a debate about which gun is better. Argue your salts somewhere else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzaro21 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 That's very true, however, people don't want to learn anything new and can't be taught anything. People don't like something so it has to "suck". I guess the best way to illustrate the idiocy is to point out that these are the same people who fail to be able to spell, but are right about absolutely everything else. personally, I don`t like it because I already have vanilla forma`ed and potatoed, and is working nice, I don`t find a reason to get a side-grade for it, and I dont like RNG based builds like crit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfdoggie Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 It is on topic, since I'm still addressing the weird empty space in Lore regarding the Vaykor Hek's existance. Something strange happened to it during development. Were they sabotaged or did something weird happen during production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abenoki Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 in terms of DPS and procs/shot, it does someone doesnt seemed to have used it or know how to maths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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