ShadowStalker Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, S0V3REiGN said: My tonkor has 7 formas, a catalyst, 18k+ kills and my simulor has 6 formas a catalyst and god knows how many kills. I am 100% glad these changes are being made and I would not back off from nerfing these weapons. I will still use these weapons after the nerf happens too. Players become to dependent on meta when in reality you can take just about anything to sorties or raids or whatever mission. Some of you are sick and tired of nerfs and I am sick and tired of hearing that every new weapon is mastery fodder because it doesn't compare to the stupid tonkor. lets just hope the nerfs stop here and DE decids to work on armour scaling and AI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trissila Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 That's the really silly thing, honestly. The Tonkor is actually getting BUFFS in a lot of ways, because its trajectory and fuse are being altered to be MUCH more useful for direct-fire and landing shots. It's getting a not-insignificant crit nerf, but it'll still have great crit rate when modded. Other than that, its base damage is the same. The only real 'nerf' it's receiving is that you actually have to think before you pull the trigger, instead of smashing left mouse from SKIP CINEMATIC to MISSION COMPLETE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaqlaxy Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I dont really use those weapons much so I doubt it will effect me much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenDash Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Most of the community is excited about the upcoming changes, but we'll see just how well and quick they do without these weapons in high lvl sorties, even after the buff to some of the non aoe weps for example glaxion or attica they'll still barely scratch a lvl 70 bombard, im looking forward to this lol Edited March 23, 2017 by [DE]Taylor removed guideline violation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V3REiGN Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, ZenDash said: Most of the community is excited about the upcoming changes, but we'll see just how well and quick they do without these weapons in high lvl sorties, even after the buff to some of the non aoe weps they'll still barely scratch a lvl 70 bombard, im looking forward to this lol Pfft, I take just about anything to sorties. There a lot of viable weapons but most people wouldn't know because they are too scared to play anything that is not meta. Hell i have done exhimus survivals with only a dark dagger equipped, no invisibility. This game ain't hard and I am not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStalker Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, ZenDash said: Most of the community is excited about the upcoming changes, but we'll see just how well and quick they do without these weapons in high lvl sorties, even after the buff to some of the non aoe weps for example glaxion or attica they'll still barely scratch a lvl 70 bombard, im looking forward to this lol I Agree now lets see how the sortie loadouts change and how these new "buffed" weapons are used i doubt theyd be of any use and i see people asking to re buff the tonkor in the future well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerinSol Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I'm scared too. What little hope I have for humanity will fade away after I see the forums burn with people with low mental tolerance arguing about non-tangible digital merchandise that you can still effectively use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStalker Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, S0V3REiGN said: Pfft, I take just about anything to sorties. There a lot of viable weapons but most people wouldn't know because they are too scared to play anything that is not meta. Hell i have done exhimus survivals with only a dark dagger equipped, no invisibility. This game ain't hard and I am not that good. wow and you say "iam not good" underestimatimating your self :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenDash Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, S0V3REiGN said: Pfft, I take just about anything to sorties. There a lot of viable weapons but most people wouldn't know because they are too scared to play anything that is not meta. Hell i have done exhimus survivals with only a dark dagger equipped, no invisibility. This game ain't hard and I am not that good. just think about how fast you could finish an extermination sortie with a tonkor or simulor, instead of your tiny red dildo and perhaps loki spazzing around lol you'll have to take care of every single enemy in the room 1 by 1 from now on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenDash Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Although i only stick to shotguns and sometimes rifles nowadays but having something like a tonkor by your side, to clear out a room fast and effectively when you felt lazy asf was always nice, but not anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamantSpartan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Considering I rarely used the nerfed weapons (aside from the boltace for syndicate medal farming solo), I welcome the changes. Also, I can use all the salt for cooking and such. Gonna have a landfill's worth by the time the update drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiancaRoughfin Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, (Xbox One)Ginger Bruhv said: Beyblade Beyblade let it rip RIP Telos Boltace Why Rip if it still stands superior to the Kronen and the regular Boltance? It used to be extremely OP, now its just slightly better than the regular one which was how it should have been in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V3REiGN Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, ZenDash said: just think about how fast you could finish an extermination sortie with a tonkor or simulor, instead of your tiny red dildo and perhaps loki spazzing around lol you'll have to take care of every single enemy in the room 1 by 1 from now on You can clear entire rooms with melee. I have clan member that can clear entire rooms faster with his melee than I can with my tonkor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenDash Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, S0V3REiGN said: You can clear entire rooms with melee. I have clan member that can clear entire rooms faster with his melee than I can with my tonkor. Strong argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStalker Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, AdamantSpartan said: Considering I rarely used the nerfed weapons (aside from the boltace for syndicate medal farming solo), I welcome the changes. Also, I can use all the salt for cooking and such. Gonna have a landfill's worth by the time the update drops. LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DBR87 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 While I agree with some of the nerfs, there are some issues I have with them. I don't even use these weapons regularly... If they were going to add more self damage to Tonkor I don't think they should've dropped the crit from 35% to 25%. Honestly don't think they should of added full self damage. Penta has a mod to avoid self damage. They should have instead capped self damage for all explosive weapons like Orgris and Kulstar. Maybe 20% of your HP or no more than 200 damage? Maybe because I believe in in philosophy of buffing rather than nerfing... Telos Boltace and the Simulors can still be visual cancers and I think that was the chief complaint. These nerfs don't seem to do anything to stop Mirage from flooding the screen with balls and waves. Maybe the cool down on Telos Boltace but having a cool down on a melee is dumb. Reduce the damage of the blade wave if low level trash clearing efficiency was that big of a problem because no one used Telos Boltace late game for anything more than opening crates. I don't know why a dead weapon like Simulor was nerfed but as for the Synoid Version, the changes seem fair. The auto fire was nerfed but the status chance and the manual explosions were buffed. You'll still see the ball spam because now Simulor can spread status like a beast to a whole room instead of out right killing things after auto detonations. On top of manual detonations getting a buff you'll probably still see this weapon a lot. Again, Soma P, Dex Sybaris, V Hek, and Tigris series are my most used weapons. None of this really affects me. I'm sure my favorite weapons will get 'tuned' later but eh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S0V3REiGN Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, ZenDash said: Strong argument. If you would use stuff outside of tonkor you might know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K0bra Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Normally im against all nerfes but this time i love them. The Synoid Simulor usage was out of the hands.Such an annoying gun with absolutely no skill involved.Everywhere this annoying shootingsound and balls.Quite every lobby had a user inside that used it like crazy.Then combined with Mirage = ultra annoying.Best nerf ever. Tonkor is ok.It will hurt the weapon alot and you will not see it alot anymore. Telos Boltace.Nice nerf.Annoying borderline usage from some dudes. Its the own fault from the community that these weapons get a nerf.Some dudes used it to an extend that it hurts every teamplay and the gameplay overall.It was just a matter of time. Edited March 23, 2017 by K0bra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VentiGlondi Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Do not worry about Tonkor, it's still going to be a weapon of mass destruction. You just have no make sure you're not a part of the mass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serinexxa Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I did think it was a little odd the Tonkor did no self harm, considering it's both Grineer built and high damage. I mean, I don't think the Grineer are known for their fantastic safety records. It looks like overused weapons will be mellowed down a bit and less used weapons will see more light. Balancing, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenDash Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, S0V3REiGN said: If you would use stuff outside of tonkor you might know. lol, I stopped using Tonkor since MR10 bud just implying that this weapon was hella useful even to new players for higher tier missions but now they're kinda scr3wed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midrib Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, ZenDash said: lol you'll have to take care of every single enemy in the room 1 by 1 from now on nice hyperbole you've got there. Tonkor and Simulor are not the only AoE weapons in this game. they were the only AoE meta weapons that sheeple instantly farmed, but there are plenty of effective AoE weapons. If sortie exterminates are taking noticeably longer time without the Tonkor then you probably shouldn't do sorties. You talk as if the Tonkor and simulor are getting removed from the game, Tonkor will still be very good, just with added self dmg so that people can use their brains before shooting, Simulor change was so that people stopped spamming the annoying vortex and learned how to detonate them. the only weapon that was nerfed to the ground was the Telos boltace and we don't even know that for sure since the added CC could be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Elvenbane Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 59 minutes ago, XNitroX0 said: ...and let us play bear fist Bear paws would be cool! Oh, you mean "bare" never mind then. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStalker Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Serinexxa said: I did think it was a little odd the Tonkor did no self harm, considering it's both Grineer built and high damage. I mean, I don't think the Grineer are known for their fantastic safety records. It looks like overused weapons will be mellowed down a bit and less used weapons will see more light. Balancing, yes? #Clem is Not Safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xekrin Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, (PS4)Elvenbane said: Bear paws would be cool! Oh, you mean "bare" never mind then. :) He meant to write bare but wrote bear instead, while its barely a difference in sound, bare in mind it can get a bit confusing, so please bear with me. Also, would freaking love Bear Claw weapons. Edited March 23, 2017 by Xekrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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