ShadowStalker Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, SoulEchelon said: What's the other way around? read that reply again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)xBucknastyx72 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, SoulEchelon said: What's the other way around? On your journey you have encountered the Ash BS rework troll. He has superior resistance to rational logic. You must find "other way around". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulEchelon Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, (Xbox One)CFE Angry said: Idk why everyone is so worked up about ash getting "fixed", I mean this rework my not be the best, but ash can still kill lvl 150 enemies waaaay faster than other frames. Seriously I can never understand how a Warframe who uses two of the best damage types(slash/finisher damage) in two of his abilities. Also ash has a passive that buffs his overall damage for anything that procs slash, which is like 80% of all the weapons in the game. Agreed. Ash is still a powerhouse. He's my most played warframe to this date (not my favorite though admittedly) and I have no trouble clearing any content with him, both solo and in a team. Edited March 29, 2017 by SoulEchelon merging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulEchelon Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Huh. Did they remove the ability to delete our own posts? *unmerges* other way around all his 1 2 3 are good 4 just needs a few tweaks and changes like less energy cost without 2 coz that ultimately coats energy aswell iam not saying like a whole new ability Nothing's perfect, however your rendition of what's happening with his ult and what's actually true and backed up by facts is vastly different. I suggest looking at your build, because so far I do not see where you're coming from. Edited March 29, 2017 by SoulEchelon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStalker Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, (Xbox One)xBucknastyx72 said: On your journey you have encountered the Ash BS rework troll. He has superior resistance to rational logic. You must find "other way around". how am i a troll? if i was a troll would have i not been like "BUFF BLADE STORM FRAMES LIKE MIRRAGE AND EMBER OUT KILL ASH" iam just saying his rework didnt change ANYTHING other then reduce his survivability and i made this to find new rework ideas didnt expect people will take it as "ASH SUCKS" sigh btw you have ember profile pic..says a lot about you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ultimategamerjr Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 hours ago, FormulaXP said: nerfing his damage output and still having to watch glitchy animations was a QOL change? sure.. You use bladestorm ash? lol bladestorm ash had never been and never will be the best type of ash build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStalker Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 Just now, (Xbox One)ultimategamerjr said: You use bladestorm ash? lol bladestorm ash had never been and never will be the best type of ash build. ...thats why i made this post regarding a(MY IDEAS) for changes to to BS ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PakkiTheDog Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 His 4th ability takes too long. Marking all the targets, and the execution takes so long that your team mates kill the enemies you targeted. I only use Ash in the index. Low energy consumption/decent invis time and fatal teleport. For other missions, in my opinion, he is not that good (high lvl missions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStalker Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, PakkiTheDog said: His 4th ability takes too long. Marking all the targets, and the execution takes so long that your team mates kill the enemies you targeted. I only use Ash in the index. Low energy consumption/decent invis time and fatal teleport. For other missions, in my opinion, he is not that good (high lvl missions). specially if theres an ember XD man i only use ember on akkad coz using ash on akkad is a sin by the time your done youll be at like 10 kills with ash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypernaut1 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, PakkiTheDog said: His 4th ability takes too long. Marking all the targets, and the execution takes so long that your team mates kill the enemies you targeted. I only use Ash in the index. Low energy consumption/decent invis time and fatal teleport. For other missions, in my opinion, he is not that good (high lvl missions). If you're teammates are killing enemies before you can BS, then you shouldn't be spamming BS. Ash shines when the going gets tough. He's not made to nuke low level enemies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)xBucknastyx72 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, FormulaXP said: btw you have ember profile pic..says a lot about you Ouch! Got me good.. Yeah, it says I started playing right before Frost and Ember were about to be vaulted again, and I felt like supporting the company. Anyways there's a feedback section for you rerework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, FormulaXP said: btw you have ember profile pic..says a lot about you And you have an Excalibur profile pic. Check and mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStalker Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) XD but serioulsy though he didnt even read the post and comment about how i was troll oh yeah btw Excalibur is millions times better then a frying pan Edited March 29, 2017 by FormulaXP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DxAdder Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 hours ago, FormulaXP said: i would like to see a complete REWORK of Bladestrom IK for most people ash is old news that is forgotten but the idea "ashes clones do the kiiling concepts sounds really good since the point of this bladestrom was to remove the animations YES! hes strong this 1 and 3 ARE strong but this ulti is very boring :( Poor Ash use to be a great frame but in a group setting I would rather see a Hydroid instead. Pure mastery fodder now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, FormulaXP said: XD but serioulsy though he didnt even read the post and comment about how i was troll oh yeah btw Excalibur is millions times better then a frying pan I had no idea there was a frying pan Warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStalker Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 Just now, (PS4)abbacephas said: I had no idea there was a frying pan Warframe. well now you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Angryspy101 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 hour ago, DxAdder said: Poor Ash use to be a great frame but in a group setting I would rather see a Hydroid instead. Pure mastery fodder now. We both know that's not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazrethim Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 4 hours ago, (Xbox One)ultimategamerjr said: Ash was already reworked and it gave him many quality of life changes.... nothing needs to be done to ash right now. Oh.. what do you tell me about: -Shuriken tracking whatever it F-ing wants -Smoke Screen not creating an actual smoke screen -Teleport being bugged when it comes to objects -Teleport not being able to be used on terrain for actual utility -Blade Storm draining F*tons of Energy -Blade Storm marking being a camera spin lunacy -Blade Storm cinematic mode and camera scr*w not adressed -Blade Storm being just as uninteractive as it was before -Passive being lame -Virtually ALL of his abilities being useless or near useless in Conclave -His passive being overly specific in Conclave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazrethim Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 2 hours ago, (Xbox One)CFE Angry said: Idk why everyone is so worked up about ash getting "fixed", I mean this rework my not be the best, but ash can still kill lvl 150 enemies waaaay faster than other frames. Seriously I can never understand how a Warframe who uses two of the best damage types(slash/finisher damage) in three of his abilities, is considered useless/bad. Also ash has a passive that buffs his overall damage for anything that procs slash, which is like 80% of all the weapons in the game. Play him in Conclave, if you manage to get 10 power kills in a single match vs competent people, I willa ccept Ash is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)kingbrown2012 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) I seen some of this from other rework ideas but here is My rework for ash bladestorm bladestorm becomes an exalted ability with his arm blades out and has a sparring stance using arm blades for finishers energy drain - 5 energy per sec when unmodded damage - it's an exalted weapon so it does damage according to the mods on your melee passive - while in bladestorm all movements becomes short to medium distance smoke dashes/teleports similar to grinner manic ( this is a bladestorm only passive ) shurkien - bleed procs last longer and does more damage smoke screen - throws down a bomb that causes a lot of smoke any enemy caught in it gets the old bladestorm treatment teleport - no cost during bladestorm mode and on activation causes a quick bladestorm strike to a group of foes opening them up for finishers Bladestorm should make ash show more smoke when he is in it much like it does now and while blade strike animations are happening he is invulnerable Edited March 29, 2017 by (PS4)kingbrown2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)abbacephas Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Nazrethim said: Play him in Conclave, if you manage to get 10 power kills in a single match vs competent people, I willa ccept Ash is fine. I LOL'ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulEchelon Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Nazrethim said: Oh.. what do you tell me about: -Shuriken tracking whatever it F-ing wants -Smoke Screen not creating an actual smoke screen -Teleport being bugged when it comes to objects -Teleport not being able to be used on terrain for actual utility -Blade Storm draining F*tons of Energy -Blade Storm marking being a camera spin lunacy -Blade Storm cinematic mode and camera scr*w not adressed -Blade Storm being just as uninteractive as it was before -Passive being lame -Virtually ALL of his abilities being useless or near useless in Conclave -His passive being overly specific in Conclave Passive being lame? Hoooooly crap. I was gonna post a big thing about your statements (some I agree with) but when I saw that....Lol nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazrethim Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Just now, SoulEchelon said: Passive being lame? Hoooooly crap. I was gonna post a big thing about your statements (some I agree with) but when I saw that....Lol nope. "Lame" in the sense that "hey, take this, just more Bleed damage" without any notable change in playstyle, or at least some graphical effect like enemies gushing more blood than with normal bleeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashrah Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 ash teleport animation is still buggy.. bladestorm u can forget that is not fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulEchelon Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Just now, Nazrethim said: "Lame" in the sense that "hey, take this, just more Bleed damage" without any notable change in playstyle, or at least some graphical effect like enemies gushing more blood than with normal bleeds. And...what's your point? His passive completely compliments his kit. It's perhaps one of the best passives in the game when coupled with the fact that its warframe specifically uses slash/bleed to do the most damage. Seriously, I do not see how anyone can call a direct damage buff to all of his attack related abilities + a buff to all weapons - primary, secondary, and melee - that uses slash procs "lame". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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