That new player grind

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

Just a minor idea

What if we could earn free platinum

Every mastery rank level

Like 25 or 50 free plat per rank, untradeable of course

The thing in warframe 

Is that there is so much content

It just feels crushing, slots are plat only

Just maybe 20 to buy slots or whatever, it would help newer players alot

Veterans would probably just get decorations though.

 

Iam mr22 on my main

But i like trying out from scratch on new profiles to test it out

It kinda hits a huge pay wall, Pretty fast and early, Not to mention all them locked nodes lol

So anyways, what do you think is the best starting gear?

I prefer volt, paris, lato, bo

Edited July 20, 2017 by (PS4)Tomplexthis
:)

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

It would be nice if they at least could raise the base slots

+2 warframe slots and 4 weapon slots right off the bat, to get players started

Maybe most of all, if all craft times cpuld be halved, why is everything like 24 hours to make

 

Taxon? He should be about 2-6 hours

 

Crafting times can be such a pain though, for newer players

Edited July 20, 2017 by (PS4)Tomplexthis

[DarkRuler2500]

Earn platinum? No, please not.

Give more starting slots, absolutely agree. The current start slots are really really few.

[tarfeef101]

I might take you more seriously if you didn't intentionally make your post horrid to read. Please don't hit enter after every sentence...

As for the actual idea, I don't like it. The plat system works well. and you can earn it fairly easily through trading. and there seems to be no shortage of people buying stuff all the time. I will, however, say that there should be more slots made available at base, and also weapon slots should probably be cheaper. The game is more or less equating 3 weapons to a frame, and given how many weapons we have that feels a bit too expensive.

[Raskol]

There are so many simple ways to earn that amount of plat that DE wont make that happen (i mean free plat). Getting 20-25 plat would take like what? Lets assume that u run exterminate fissiues for junk (without ember) so about 20-30 min.

And heres the thing - players buying plat from developers keep this game going

[LordMazulia]

Platinum is super easy to get just by trading. There's no need for anyone to get premium currency for no reason. If you want to skip the grind/waiting, use your plat. If you need plat, then earn it from the hundreds of things you could possibly sell to other players.

I have no problems with players having more starting slots though. At least one more Warframe slot and three more weapon slots would go a long way.

As for build times, I have a few things to say about that:

1. It's there so most players don't build everything they get too quickly and breeze through the content without really enjoying it. That can lead to boredom.
2. It's also there to get players that don't want to deal with it to either use plat to rush it, or to buy the item to skip the grind altogether. Which I have no problem with that as they do need to make money and the only real cost of not using plat is a bit of time.
3. While the build time might seem bothersome early on for new players who don't have many weapons/warframe or weapon/warframe blueprints, as you get more things to use this becomes much less of an issue. Once you have unlocked a decent amount of content in the game, waiting for new stuff to build becomes less bothersome as you still have things to do. Furthermore, once you have multiple weapons/warframes building at once this becomes even less of an issue, as you'll most likely have something fully built and ready use while you wait for new things to build.

[Sziklamester]

5 warframe and 10-20 weapon slots at beginning are fine and with certain mastery ranks you could earn others. This would be fine at kickstart and those whom wish to buy slots and keep the new items will buying slots also. The current state is restricting and not really involve players to play because need to choose between weapons and sell stuff for slots. That is not a great promotion to keep items in your inventory it is promote the rotation but why peoples should sell their liked items and craft them later just because restrict with slots?

It would be much better if slots cost no plat at all there are already many ways for DE to make money. 

Those who will come up with "oh well but you can trade" I am sending yes but others bought platinum to feed your platinum base effectively. So please forget the traded plats because for those other peoples should buy platinum and supposedly their hard earn money spent on in game fun "like mine".

There are a lot of stuff what should't cost platinum at all this is so beggish from the devs side to ask money for every single simple stuff. Let free the slots anyone who wish to buy waframes will and potatoes also can be found in game or farm if you patient but their cost is literally nothing. Slots also non acquirable only just by buying them. Also those who call WoT pay to win for that and for golden ammo then why those no say it is pay to winish? It is the same just the devs glorified here there nope.

[LordMazulia]

2 minutes ago, Sziklamester said:

Also those who call WoT pay to win for that and for golden ammo then why those no say it is pay to winish? It is the same just the devs glorified here there nope.

World of Tanks is a PvP game, while Warframe is PvE. That alone makes a HUGE difference. There's no real advantage/disadvantage in a PvE game because the things people decide to pay for to skip the grind not only doesn't hurt other players, but (far more often than not) helps them. And even though warframe does have PvP, the weapons/warframe abilities are so toned down that it doesn't really matter what is used. It's mostly a matter of what you're comfortable using then. It's very much not the same thing.

[13QZXXTTX]

@(PS4)Tomplexthis Look at Planetside2, I stop log-in daily once they stop giving Daily Login Cert. (non PREMIUM member get was like 12 per day? Build over time if you do it for years).

Result: They just lost one of their own Pros or persuasion to login daily.(Happened years ago).

 

YES, that NEW PLAYER Grind is horrible it almost comparable to as LEARNING CURVE, but once on TOP of that Grind Mountain(s), you can cheese it once you are at higher level (logic?).

Now let be serious, your IDEAS is NICE, but I think DE need to decide if they want to try this, I mean DE already OFFERED (probably RNG) Lottery

Chance  ever Dev-Stream and for their TENNOCON (require Participation).

4 hours ago, (PS4)Tomplexthis said:

It would be nice if they at least could raise the base slots

+2 warframe slots and 4 weapon slits right off the bat, to get players started

Maybe most of all, if all craft times cpuld be halved, why is everything like 24 hours to make

Taxon? He should be about 2-6 hours

Crafting times can be such a pain though, for newer players

That be making it WAY EASIER for Starters (PS2 did that too :|) , but eh, not really helpful in the long-run of how the games does end up at.

4 hours ago, DarkRuler2500 said:

Earn platinum? No, please not.

Give more starting slots, absolutely agree. The current start slots are really really few.

Yep, it have to be a Management for Players who don't have  to throw around.

 

3 hours ago, LordMazulia said:

World of Tanks is a PvP game, while Warframe is PvE. That alone makes a HUGE difference. There's no real advantage/disadvantage in a PvE game because the things people decide to pay for to skip the grind not only doesn't hurt other players, but (far more often than not) helps them. And even though warframe does have PvP, the weapons/warframe abilities are so toned down that it doesn't really matter what is used. It's mostly a matter of what you're comfortable using then. It's very much not the same thing.

WoT are some what like other ONLINE Games out there. By far, I heard WoW, and I played some SC, which has give way for Premium Access. BUT that does not help with the Grind anyway.  (madly).

For most online games, WarFrame, you can do at least 1,000 Hour and be in good state of just doing "aOK" in Progression. 

Here is a REAL Story, when some one as almost EVERYTHING and TONS of Plats to spare, they just get tired. I see many Tennos at that points, they just waiting for Contents. Of course there is more to do in WarFrame.

 

Edited July 20, 2017 by DesFrSpace

[13QZXXTTX]

4 hours ago, tarfeef101 said:

I might take you more seriously if you didn't intentionally make your post horrid to read. Please don't hit enter after every sentence...

That how Chats work, but not Forum, where there is enough space.

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

Yeah, instead of platinum per mastery rank, why not give players 1 warframe slot. Every 5 mr

And 1 weapon slot, every mr

So itd be like

1-2-3-4 weapon slots, or 1 every 2 mr

Mr 5 a warframe slot

4 then 1

By 20 you have 16 weapon slots

And 4 new warframe. Slots

 

I just wished that mastery rank actually rewarded players

 

It feels great when you can forma anything and it gets that bonus

But i feel like the daily rewards are still the same no matter if youd have 30 mastery

Edited July 20, 2017 by (PS4)Tomplexthis

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

The worst rng in warframe has to be rivens

 

Starting fresh in warframe is definitely a huge topic, but not for veterans, being that i got like 1100 hours, early game can be a crushing blow, late game is great, but feels empty, all we get is trials/sorties, but getting a group to help pull it off is like ridiculous 

 

Sorties are awesome 

But honestly, rivens are insanely rng

 

The whole free platinum concept revolves solely to me around slots, and that wall of content that warframe has, all those decorations, colors, bundles, it is just mind numbing, people throw like 500-1000$ at Warframe, to break even, but almost all of that is merely spent in or on fashion 

Edited July 20, 2017 by (PS4)Tomplexthis
Sorry about these typos. Iam using my phone

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

Of anything, nerf the jackal for new players, this guy is easy for vets, for dang, unranked gear, against him, 4 of us, all mr 1, he just stomps constantly, and takes like an hour to kill, the jackal is so bulky man

 

Hes just a ridiculous boss for new players to be expected to beat

 

Try fighting him with unmodded gear, he just is not fun

Edited July 20, 2017 by (PS4)Tomplexthis
He literally stomps every second

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

Fighting him solo was easy

But why such a huge curve in difficulty though 

Solo hes 13, with a group he was 21, 

I took my hellfire stormvringer mods, maxed and put onto mk1 paris, used volt, cause hes the best starting frame

 

Its just weird

 

So anyways, what do you think is the best starting gear?

 

I prefer volt, paris, lato, bo, but i went with skana this try

Mag is complicated, excalibur is overused, braton is decen but lacks the power and punch through of the paris, kunai run out of ammo ast as well

 

Its still interesting to give playera that choice though, of how to start off the game

Volt, lato, paris, bo. Definitely the best

[Sziklamester]

8 hours ago, LordMazulia said:

World of Tanks is a PvP game, while Warframe is PvE. That alone makes a HUGE difference. There's no real advantage/disadvantage in a PvE game because the things people decide to pay for to skip the grind not only doesn't hurt other players, but (far more often than not) helps them. And even though warframe does have PvP, the weapons/warframe abilities are so toned down that it doesn't really matter what is used. It's mostly a matter of what you're comfortable using then. It's very much not the same thing.

And that's why no need to sell basic things for Plat. That is not a difference maker this is pve and don't justify their crash grab just because it is a pve game. They could be just fine if they not ask money for these stuffs. There are a tons of other content which additional and not basic like colors, slots. Also remember back in time the revive costs plat also which is normally should not be cost money at all. Also speeding process with platinum is also cash grabby but the patient peoples not pay money for these. These things reminds me a browser like game where you can boost everything with real money.

Warframe should not be like this and if they changing a little bit their business policy they could earn money too but less annoyable ways like now and they can find more players to play the game.

And again the pve title not justify things only means you spend your money against a silly ai to compete with.

[LordMazulia]

17 hours ago, Sziklamester said:

And that's why no need to sell basic things for Plat. That is not a difference maker this is pve and don't justify their crash grab just because it is a pve game. They could be just fine if they not ask money for these stuffs. There are a tons of other content which additional and not basic like colors, slots. Also remember back in time the revive costs plat also which is normally should not be cost money at all. Also speeding process with platinum is also cash grabby but the patient peoples not pay money for these. These things reminds me a browser like game where you can boost everything with real money.

Warframe should not be like this and if they changing a little bit their business policy they could earn money too but less annoyable ways like now and they can find more players to play the game.

And again the pve title not justify things only means you spend your money against a silly ai to compete with.

It's not a cash grab to have some restrictions. If you're patient, you don't need to spend anything on this game and there are plenty of people who do so without any problems. I personally don't think there's a reason for a new player to feel like they "need" to spend money either. If anything, players could use a few more starting weapon/warframe slots, but that's about it. Nobody needs to buy/rush items to skip the grind. The only thing you absolutely "need" to spend plat on are weapon/warframe slots, and you don't need to spend money to get that. Who cares if someone else spends money to get that platinum into the game. Most of the people who spend money here do so because they choose to, not because they need to.

Not liking a business model doesn't make it unfair or a cash grab. Rather, Warframe is one of if not the most fair F2P game when it comes to premium currency, just because of how easy it is for anyone to get without actually spending money. Just because spending plat to buy/rush items doesn't make too much of a difference doesn't mean DE should remove it, as it doesn't ruin the experience whatsoever. If you don't want to spend money, then don't. You'll be just fine.

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

3 hours ago, LordMazulia said:

It's not a cash grab to have some restrictions. If you're patient, you don't need to spend anything on this game and there are plenty of people who do so without any problems. I personally don't think there's a reason for a new player to feel like they "need" to spend money either. If anything, players could use a few more starting weapon/warframe slots, but that's about it. Nobody needs to buy/rush items to skip the grind. The only thing you absolutely "need" to spend plat on are weapon/warframe slots, and you don't need to spend money to get that. Who cares if someone else spends money to get that platinum into the game. Most of the people who spend money here do so because they choose to, not because they need to.

Not liking a business model doesn't make it unfair or a cash grab. Rather, Warframe is one of if not the most fair F2P game when it comes to premium currency, just because of how easy it is for anyone to get without actually spending money. Just because spending plat to buy/rush items doesn't make too much of a difference doesn't mean DE should remove it, as it doesn't ruin the experience whatsoever. If you don't want to spend money, then don't. You'll be just fine.

regardless, if you wanna play warframe, you are required to get plat, like 100%

if only for warframe slots, weapon slots, sentinel slots

otherwise, you are looking at deleting anything and everything over and over again

 

[LordMazulia]

38 minutes ago, (PS4)Tomplexthis said:

regardless, if you wanna play warframe, you are required to get plat, like 100%

if only for warframe slots, weapon slots, sentinel slots

otherwise, you are looking at deleting anything and everything over and over again

 

I know you need plat if you want more slots, but there are far too many things you can trade other players for it. Even for newer players there are things they could trade, especially if they get help from older players. And there are plenty of older player looking for newer players to help.

[Sziklamester]

7 hours ago, LordMazulia said:

It's not a cash grab to have some restrictions. If you're patient, you don't need to spend anything on this game and there are plenty of people who do so without any problems. I personally don't think there's a reason for a new player to feel like they "need" to spend money either. If anything, players could use a few more starting weapon/warframe slots, but that's about it. Nobody needs to buy/rush items to skip the grind. The only thing you absolutely "need" to spend plat on are weapon/warframe slots, and you don't need to spend money to get that. Who cares if someone else spends money to get that platinum into the game. Most of the people who spend money here do so because they choose to, not because they need to.

Not liking a business model doesn't make it unfair or a cash grab. Rather, Warframe is one of if not the most fair F2P game when it comes to premium currency, just because of how easy it is for anyone to get without actually spending money. Just because spending plat to buy/rush items doesn't make too much of a difference doesn't mean DE should remove it, as it doesn't ruin the experience whatsoever. If you don't want to spend money, then don't. You'll be just fine.

With this logic if nobody else spend money on this game 1. the game died around 2013 2. nobody could get platinum because nobody trade plat for items. Ofc nobody said to them spend money but they keep you and other free to playish players in game if you not get any plat from these peoples like me and others whom spent at least a cent to the game then you just should sell your gear everytime then when you mastered all you can decide what pair of items you keep. That is a very boring and unintuitive thing to sell everything just because you have no slots. 

Free to play mean 4-5x times more pay than a once buy a game and you'll have all. This is in nature a cash grab because they made the game to spend in some part if this game really wish to say to itself free to play then there shouldn't be parts what plat only because that is already pay to win because you pay for slots and other necessary and basic things which helps the progression aka you can own more weapons and frames once.

Only blinds not see how high cash grab this and often the majority speaks whom 1. founder and wasted a tons of money into this game 2. players whom no spending any money into the game (these trade masters) aka parasites 3. those peoples whom have a bad habit and spending more money onto the game than used to be.

I spent around 1200 dollar with this my main acc just because the restrictions of the slots and made a huge space for myself. I am not trading plat if no need to do because I know the value of the money and how much work have with it. Easier to say these peoples whom spent money to the game did because they like the game and all but the majority did because the progression is restricted and the system cash grabby. They can choose to be parasites and leech peoples money (plat) via trading and no spending on the game so basically you steal or you can "help" the devs and pay some sum to skip the restrictions and actually play the game. I never bought items in this game only slots and potatoes and even forma everything else I farm also forma-potatoes adapters I farm when have events but the items in game is obtainable.

The only big disadvantage of this game is they selling basic things. What you think if in a pve mmo game they begin to sell color palettes and character creation parts how long those game survive? They can generate money for a time but in long term much better to sell things like skins, true cosmetic items and thats all. They (DE) selling everything in game for money and their game works like a mad browser game where you spend money for a step forward or build a castle etc.

I respect more those devs and games where you pay once and that's all because you honor their work. Those games where have servers and needs sub fee I respect them because I know they ask less money than the one pay games but they fee is higher in overall but they provide fun for that money.

Here they provide fun but leech you in almost every part and you must trade with others to get money and there are peer to peer connection so basically the cheapest option and often the game is not fun because no have real servers.

So again if you not understand it : Money generated by pay peoples, no pay = no plat = no trade = you have the starter slots and you should sell your items so you can use it for fun and probably you burn out. 

[Sziklamester]

3 hours ago, LordMazulia said:

I know you need plat if you want more slots, but there are far too many things you can trade other players for it. Even for newer players there are things they could trade, especially if they get help from older players. And there are plenty of older player looking for newer players to help.

Forget about the trade.

[LordMazulia]

7 hours ago, Sziklamester said:

With this logic if nobody else spend money on this game 1. the game died around 2013 2. nobody could get platinum because nobody trade plat for items. Ofc nobody said to them spend money but they keep you and other free to playish players in game if you not get any plat from these peoples like me and others whom spent at least a cent to the game then you just should sell your gear everytime then when you mastered all you can decide what pair of items you keep. That is a very boring and unintuitive thing to sell everything just because you have no slots. 

Free to play mean 4-5x times more pay than a once buy a game and you'll have all. This is in nature a cash grab because they made the game to spend in some part if this game really wish to say to itself free to play then there shouldn't be parts what plat only because that is already pay to win because you pay for slots and other necessary and basic things which helps the progression aka you can own more weapons and frames once.

Only blinds not see how high cash grab this and often the majority speaks whom 1. founder and wasted a tons of money into this game 2. players whom no spending any money into the game (these trade masters) aka parasites 3. those peoples whom have a bad habit and spending more money onto the game than used to be.

I spent around 1200 dollar with this my main acc just because the restrictions of the slots and made a huge space for myself. I am not trading plat if no need to do because I know the value of the money and how much work have with it. Easier to say these peoples whom spent money to the game did because they like the game and all but the majority did because the progression is restricted and the system cash grabby. They can choose to be parasites and leech peoples money (plat) via trading and no spending on the game so basically you steal or you can "help" the devs and pay some sum to skip the restrictions and actually play the game. I never bought items in this game only slots and potatoes and even forma everything else I farm also forma-potatoes adapters I farm when have events but the items in game is obtainable.

The only big disadvantage of this game is they selling basic things. What you think if in a pve mmo game they begin to sell color palettes and character creation parts how long those game survive? They can generate money for a time but in long term much better to sell things like skins, true cosmetic items and thats all. They (DE) selling everything in game for money and their game works like a mad browser game where you spend money for a step forward or build a castle etc.

I respect more those devs and games where you pay once and that's all because you honor their work. Those games where have servers and needs sub fee I respect them because I know they ask less money than the one pay games but they fee is higher in overall but they provide fun for that money.

Here they provide fun but leech you in almost every part and you must trade with others to get money and there are peer to peer connection so basically the cheapest option and often the game is not fun because no have real servers.

So again if you not understand it : Money generated by pay peoples, no pay = no plat = no trade = you have the starter slots and you should sell your items so you can use it for fun and probably you burn out. 

Seems to me that you don't like don't like the thought of being able to buy anything for plat, but what exactly is wrong with that? If you don't want to spend money and get things the normal way, you can. If you want to skip the grind, waiting, or RNG, then the option to buy them is a good thing. Just because you can get almost everything in this game with plat doesn't mean anyone's being greedy, as you are never forced to buy any of it. Things people need a lot of, like slots, need plat, but you can get that without paying. Would you rather not being able to get premuim currency(plat) at all without paying? Because that's how it is most F2P games. As for Potatoes and Forma, it's good that you can buy them for plat if you need to. Would you rather not be able to buy them at all? Because that's how it would be in most F2P games. You keep calling it a cash grab just because they are selling "basic things", but you don't "need" to buy them. 

I very much understand that in order for plat to get into the game that there has to be people to spend money. Even though I said that you don't need to spend money and nobody is forced to, that doesn't mean nobody will, and I think I addressed that when I said "Most of the people who spend money here do so because they choose to, not because then need to". That's how good F2P games like Warframe make money and that's how premium currency like Plat gets into the game. What you may not realize is that while there are are a lot of people who don't spend money, or spend very little, there are also people who spend money all the time, just because they want to. I played this game for over a year before I decided to spend money on this game. I made plenty of plat from trading, but spent money anyway because Warframe had earned it. That's how a lot (not all of course) of people feel when they do spend money in this game, because they didn't feel like they were forced to do it. That's why a lot of people say Warframe's F2P model is one of, if not the best.

Just because DE has almost everything available to buy with plat doesn't mean they are just asking for money, make them greedy, or make this game a cash grab. The option to buy whatever you might want or need with plat is never a bad thing, and even then you are still never forced to spend money to get plat. Plat is just a way to skip the grind with the one exception being warframe and weapon slots. Most people don't spend money because they are forced to, or else we would be hearing a LOT more about that from people. Instead you hear almost nothing about it, because it's fair. Also, people who only trade for plat aren't parasites. This is a F2P game, so not spending money isn't stealing. And if you've really spend around $1200, on a game, then the game isn't the problem. If you ever feel that you need to spend that much money on a game, then you might want to just play something else, instead of spending the money and complaining about it later.

[Sziklamester]

1 hour ago, LordMazulia said:

Seems to me that you don't like don't like the thought of being able to buy anything for plat, but what exactly is wrong with that? If you don't want to spend money and get things the normal way, you can. If you want to skip the grind, waiting, or RNG, then the option to buy them is a good thing. Just because you can get almost everything in this game with plat doesn't mean anyone's being greedy, as you are never forced to buy any of it. Things people need a lot of, like slots, need plat, but you can get that without paying. Would you rather not being able to get premuim currency(plat) at all without paying? Because that's how it is most F2P games. As for Potatoes and Forma, it's good that you can buy them for plat if you need to. Would you rather not be able to buy them at all? Because that's how it would be in most F2P games. You keep calling it a cash grab just because they are selling "basic things", but you don't "need" to buy them. 

I very much understand that in order for plat to get into the game that there has to be people to spend money. Even though I said that you don't need to spend money and nobody is forced to, that doesn't mean nobody will, and I think I addressed that when I said "Most of the people who spend money here do so because they choose to, not because then need to". That's how good F2P games like Warframe make money and that's how premium currency like Plat gets into the game. What you may not realize is that while there are are a lot of people who don't spend money, or spend very little, there are also people who spend money all the time, just because they want to. I played this game for over a year before I decided to spend money on this game. I made plenty of plat from trading, but spent money anyway because Warframe had earned it. That's how a lot (not all of course) of people feel when they do spend money in this game, because they didn't feel like they were forced to do it. That's why a lot of people say Warframe's F2P model is one of, if not the best.

Just because DE has almost everything available to buy with plat doesn't mean they are just asking for money, make them greedy, or make this game a cash grab. The option to buy whatever you might want or need with plat is never a bad thing, and even then you are still never forced to spend money to get plat. Plat is just a way to skip the grind with the one exception being warframe and weapon slots. Most people don't spend money because they are forced to, or else we would be hearing a LOT more about that from people. Instead you hear almost nothing about it, because it's fair. Also, people who only trade for plat aren't parasites. This is a F2P game, so not spending money isn't stealing. And if you've really spend around $1200, on a game, then the game isn't the problem. If you ever feel that you need to spend that much money on a game, then you might want to just play something else, instead of spending the money and complaining about it later.

" Seems to me that you don't like don't like the thought of being able to buy anything for plat, but what exactly is wrong with that? If you don't want to spend money and get things the normal way, you can. If you want to skip the grind, waiting, or RNG, then the option to buy them is a good thing. Just because you can get almost everything in this game with plat doesn't mean anyone's being greedy, as you are never forced to buy any of it. Things people need a lot of, like slots, need plat, but you can get that without paying. Would you rather not being able to get premuim currency(plat) at all without paying? Because that's how it is most F2P games. As for Potatoes and Forma, it's good that you can buy them for plat if you need to. Would you rather not be able to buy them at all? Because that's how it would be in most F2P games. You keep calling it a cash grab just because they are selling "basic things", but you don't "need" to buy them. "

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The no need to buy them in this case mean these items shouldn't be for sale because it should have been in the game for free for all. Don't tell me you wish to play a game what you get by part by part and you need to pay for it? It seems you skipped the point in my quote because I said "necessary" items which mean you can sell them but that is cash grabby because that is a baseline part of the game. You cannot get it otherwise only if you buy items and do you wish to judge those peoples whom want should pay for a thing what should be in the game for free? It seems you are a new generation chicken who agreeing if you need to pay money for those stuffs what shouldn't be for money. AND NOBODY SAID I WANT EVERYTHING IN A FREE TO PLAY GAME FOR FREE because I said those items which necessary. Those items which unecessary like weapons and frames can be sold by plat if the player feel he / she need that badly and want to skip a tons of content before they can get it. 

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" I very much understand that in order for plat to get into the game that there has to be people to spend money. Even though I said that you don't need to spend money and nobody is forced to, that doesn't mean nobody will, and I think I addressed that when I said "Most of the people who spend money here do so because they choose to, not because then need to". That's how good F2P games like Warframe make money and that's how premium currency like Plat gets into the game. What you may not realize is that while there are are a lot of people who don't spend money, or spend very little, there are also people who spend money all the time, just because they want to. I played this game for over a year before I decided to spend money on this game. I made plenty of plat from trading, but spent money anyway because Warframe had earned it. That's how a lot (not all of course) of people feel when they do spend money in this game, because they didn't feel like they were forced to do it. That's why a lot of people say Warframe's F2P model is one of, if not the best. "

Well nothing is really need to pay in a game but when the developers selling items in a game where already have content to sell then it is not really fair to make it plat only those items which in any other normal game not a sales stuff. Nobody forced me to buy plat but it is force all in all because other hand I could not get slots which is trashy thing because that limiting your progression. If you do that way that you selling all of your items in every max and buy new one still that is crappy because a game where there are collectible stuffs and most of the peoples collectors and wish to collect and try all of them for those this is a very bad option. Why I should sell my beloved items when I enjoy to using them? The answer probably because those not add more mastery so overall you just not progress in the game because you need to collect everything in the game to get a certain mastery to reach a "end game" where you probably can have more fun than in early levels. See I realize there are peoples whom spending money into the game as I did but those maybe you too not realize that you live on my budget because you trade your plat. And again easy to say but noone forced them to pay but then you personally will wish to spend money on the game? Probably no but if you need to begin from zero and need the progression then you probably will buying platinum because you need slots.

I can argue with warframe freemium model is the best because there are better and less cash grabby options all is depend on their expenses and projected profit. If they cannot mantain themself then they will sell the air too for money because they cannot make profit other ways. Also remember this game when started there weren't trade option so all peoples who played the game waited a lot for the trading feature which is boost the economy now that's why they can generate more money because this boost the platinum buying will and some discounts also helps this. Also I have other games and that is not an excuse from you to say playing something else. I spent money because needed the slots and with that contribution (1700-1800 dollar in these years) at least can be used for improve the game but again another games are more fair whom selling once a game using licence then you can use it as much as you want. Probably these games generate less money but witcher is a good example if you make a good game then peoples willbuying in a high amount. 

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"Just because DE has almost everything available to buy with plat doesn't mean they are just asking for money, make them greedy, or make this game a cash grab. The option to buy whatever you might want or need with plat is never a bad thing, and even then you are still never forced to spend money to get plat. Plat is just a way to skip the grind with the one exception being warframe and weapon slots. Most people don't spend money because they are forced to, or else we would be hearing a LOT more about that from people. Instead you hear almost nothing about it, because it's fair. Also, people who only trade for plat aren't parasites. This is a F2P game, so not spending money isn't stealing. And if you've really spend around $1200, on a game, then the game isn't the problem. If you ever feel that you need to spend that much money on a game, then you might want to just play something else, instead of spending the money and complaining about it later."

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That make them greedy when they selling things in game which in other methold cannot be obtain. If they not selling slots and let the peoples use the basic color scheme then that is fine and the others are truly options. The problem is there is no other way to get these because not farmable and there are no other option just paying money to get. You cannot say someone won't pay for it if you or another pay and we do a trade and I just buy that palette then exactly somebody spent money on it so basically without pay money noone can get that. The problem is AGAIN the items in game what you cannot get another ways.

A lot of time I am hearing the same free to play arguments and the conclusion is always if a game selling items what not obtainable other way than just pay money then that game is turning into a pay to win. Warframe is partly pay to win not really matter if you want beat a stupid AI or play against humans because basically you pay to bypass that stress that you cannot get what you want.

Saying again noone say a free to play model cannot be good or useful my problem is when a game not let you other option to get something what 1. should have be a baseline thing 2. cannot be farmed 3. need for your progression.

 

If these things not cost real life money then the game is pretty much okay because then it sells only really cosmetic items and and items which can be farmed so not necessary to spend money on the game.

The best scenario would be warframe turn into a once buy game then you don't need to pay for microtransactions and the devs can add expansions like how they doing and selling them for some buck. The major updates traditionally were money cost expansions and that wasn't really a problem but of course there will be peoples whom want everything free. Those probably will pirate every content luckily warframe have a different structure and cannot be easily pirated or used as "private server game" 

So again my only problem is they selling necessary things for progression and they shouldn't otherwise I have no problem with the game because slowly developing. Also the mastery could reward peoples in certain masteries with extra slots this keep the players interested to continue. Most of newcommers have the same experiences what I have and I saw this when I beginned the game nothing was unknown. The newcommers leaving the game because they expect something what the game isn't and when they realize they need to pay for basic things they mostly leave the game. DE won't generate less money if they just remove the slot selling maybe they affraid the peoples only buying platinum because they cannot buy slots. This is a laughable business policy to keep players short because they cannot progress otherwise.

Maybe the reason why they still selling slots is because nobody buying otherwise platinum then this means their product is not attractive enough to spend money. I would like to see the game stats in a month without selling slots and how much money in loses for DE.

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

no idea what is going on in this post

huge walls of texts, my Eyes!!!!

 

iam not against buying plat, iam just saying that the system is way heavy upon new players

free plat earnings, or well a new system that allows players to unlock slots for gear

 

plat is best used for people who like to rush everything, or on decorations, mostly exilus/reactor/catalysts

but more so than anything warframe hands out tons and tons of orokin catalysts/reactors

constant free weapons, all weapons are free/obtainable, as is every warframe

minus the huge paywall of plat required upon any decent items

all prime gear pretty much, rare mods, etc.

 

my only huge targets is that wall though, it feels heavy if you are a new player

so much content, such very little space, and so much to do, but no idea how to get any of it

the game-play tutorial helps in the first mission on how to move

but after that, you are on your own, to much hand-holding is a bad thing, but some people just dont get it still

 

the great thing about warframe, is learning how to play yourself, but help from others is always appreciated, {Clans}

and yet those restrictions on clans tend to hit just as hard, like the costs of building, insane as you expand your size

 

no idea though, maybe giving players inventory slots would be a great reward for mastery

loadouts sound great, but i tend to never use them at all, i just use 1 loadout, and switch my gear in it

i have a ton of loadouts, but haven't changed from my first, like ever