TheGodofWiFi
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Fashion.
Equinox is one of my favourite frames, yet I can't use it for more than a few missions at a time because of how difficult it is to do proper fashionframe.
Wukong is an immortal tank. Yet he is one of the ugliest frames in the game. One of the main reasons why hardly anyone uses him.
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Because his fashionframe is awful. He needs a decent deluxe skin before anyone picks him up again.
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On 19/05/2017 at 2:03 PM, (Xbox One)ultimategamerjr said:
Honestly, I feel that Undertow should be removed entirely.... It is a useless ability that people just use to go AFK. Instead we should be able send a tidal wave at the enemies and knock them down, and acts as a shield that bullets can't penetrate, and since tempest barrage would then need changed, they could make it so it procs corrosive automatically and just change the augment.
Undertow is probably my favourite ability in-game, purely because of how ridiculous it is.
You can turn into a puddle. Seriously how can you not find that amusing?
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I stopped caring about things looking goofy the moment Hydroid was introduced.
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2021.
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I don't know why Scott seems against putting another form of endless mission back in the game. They were really fun and I honestly miss them. Giving us incentive to do endless missions again would be cool. We can grind and see how our late game builds perform at the same time.
Also, I always found it weird that you didn't get Kuva, from the Kuva Fortress. I mean for starters, its in the name and there are massive containers and pipes full of Kuva everywhere. Doesn't really make sense that we can't grab some from that tileset.
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1 minute ago, Chewarette said:
Likely Hydroid... even though Limbo's recent rework may indicate Limbo Prime is closer than we think
Honestly, I want Hydroid Prime purely so he is out of the way. Then we can concentrate on the better Primes.
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2 hours ago, Wiz3rd said:
The best part about it is that you not only have a weapon that kills, but also a lighter :D
Life could not be more complete xD
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25 minutes ago, (Xbox One)FCastle74 said:
In real life? That is a easy decision for me.....
the Cycron..because Infinite ammo is meta in real life.
I actually forgot about how that weapon would be so useful in real life. Infinite ammo is always a big win.
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20 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:
it's not healthy to a game when diversity and selection is neutered by some guy with a top tier frame prancing around and screaming "loki masterrace" in everyone's face.
Not screaming masterrace at all. I merely dislike people who don't talk facts.
20 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:the problem may not seem so big
Because it isn't.
20 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:when was the last time you saw alternative stealth frames being played?
I see Ivara and Octavia more often than I do Loki's nowadays. Plus the introduction of Naramon has practically put him out of everyone's minds.
20 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:his biggest problem is his invisibility which has no drawbacks.
It does have drawbacks. Enemies can still be alerted by your presence and it does not make you invincible like say Wukong's Defy does, or Inaros panic ability Devour does.
20 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:ivara is slow and ash has short duration.
1. Ivara can simply roll around the map and can put enemies to sleep. She also has an augment which basically allows her to move at normal speed.
2. Ash's duration can be modded to be basically two-three seconds short of Loki's invisibility.
20 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:my petition is that enemies are actually trained to deal with loki, by tracking him based on the light and noise he makes with great efficiency,
So basically rendering invisibility useless unless you stand still or creep around the map very slowly, breaking the overall game-flow and making a mission 100x longer than it needs to be. Okay.
20 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:shooting everything around them when he cloaks in front of them.
They already do that.
20 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:people when faced with actual invisible combatants would learn to identify footsteps because their life depended on them, making loki required to stay still.
This isn't the Elder Scrolls series. Warframe is a fast paced action shooter and the whole game is based around how fast and how efficiently you can kill.
The problem is that stealh is in a very difficult place right now. Giving enemies too much awareness would make stealth all but non-existent and just make everyone abandon the class in favour of tanks other CC frames, which goes against DE's aim of diversity. Quite a few systems in this game are broken and they honestly feel like a long-term solution is not going to happen.
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For me, it would definitely be the Sonicor. Sending people I don't like on an involuntary introduction to skydiving would be oh so much fun.
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1 minute ago, Myscho said:
Not giving them energy or rewards, which is pretty much useless
The whole reason people play PVE is gain affinity and rewards. Taking that away is useless is it?
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Just now, Myscho said:
PvP have autokick when afk, so why not PvE
Because PvE already has a system for dealing with AFK players.
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3 hours ago, Desvero said:
His action were his own, what he said was on him and no one else.
So if someone pokes an aggressive animal, it's not their fault when they get maimed?
He would not have said all of that stuff if you three hadn't ganged up on him, started calling him useless and telling him how to play the game. You were the catalyst for his behaviour. He was right when he said at the end "I said nothing to you".
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No, kick systems are abused all over the place. Don't need it here. Also you guys did kind of start on him. Yea his language was awful, but you were the ones telling him what to do. So you would be kicking a player who, whether or not his response was immature or not, was defending himself.
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2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:
it's not hard to figure that game diversity being limited by a guy screaming masterrace everywhere he goes is unhealthy and sort of toxic for a game.
I'm sorry I though you were done here? Also, am I going around screaming Loki masterrace? No, because I'm not an idiot. There is no such thing as a masterace in Warframe
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:loki doesn't need an arcane to outperform inaros
Rage is not an arcane. It's a mod that allows your frame to gain back energy from direct damage to health. Since Inaros has no shields, this mod is a no brainer.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:haven't you ever thought that a set of abilities that remove all your possible problems are a little bit excessive?
But Loki does not remove all possible problems. Enemies still attack you, eximus units still have their auras and enemies out of your range can still snipe you.
If you really want to go that far, then we should remove every ability that hinders enemy progress, since it's obviously too excessive.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:inaros has a useless passive unless you're dealing with infested,
Loki has a pretty useless passive as well. What's your point?
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:a tornado that drains tons of energy and deals no damage, and also, still keeps you vulnerable,
The tornado is a CC ability more than anything else. Also enemies that get smacked into walls by your tornado suffer extra damage. Loki's invisibility also doesn't mean you're invincible at all.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:an ult that takes ages to charge and threatens your life every time you use it,
Takes approximately five seconds to fully charge and that's when you have no scarab armour. Also once you fire a charge at enemies they get locked down and instantly return all of the health you loose when charging it back up.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:a short range weakened blind,
Maximised duration means you blind enemies for 22.56 seconds. Maximised power range means you can blind enemies for up to 37.5 meters.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:a devour that's only good for health pack since it deals low damage,
And makes you invincible while doing so. So it can be used as a panic button until you get all your health back up. It also makes your allies invincible and this without an augment.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:armor that can go away in a second and takes a minute to build.
No it takes approximately five seconds to build up a full scarab armor buff.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:enemies can't lead their shots unless you are standing still.
Completely untrue. If it was, people would not be going down at all.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:Sprint speed actually boosts jumps and other manuevers.
No it doesn't Sprint Speed affects sprint speed. It has no affect on bullet jumping or other parkour moves.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:rhino isn't fast, you probably mean nezha
You obviously weren't around when Arcane helmets were a thing. The Rhino Vanguard Arcane helmet brought the normal Rhino sprint speed up to 1.25, tied with Loki. Rhino Prime got a boost to his speed from 0.95, to 1.00. This means that adding in Vanguard would make his sprint speed faster than the default speed of a Loki. So we actually have good tank who faster as Loki. Yet I still see Rhino's with this setup go down. Seems speed means very little after all.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:a wukong dives into a team and goes berserk rambo style and then leaves. sort of like loki.
Because Wukong can afford to jump into a crowd as he is a tank. Jumping into a crowd of mid-tier or high tier enemies with a Loki, is not such a good idea and is in fact one of the main reasons why many people go down while playing him.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:in that same post i already excluded base vitality and damage resist as not being a necessary quality to be a tank.
Actually, he does have a resistance to damage and deals out massive damage in return. Basically like Chroma. A tank. Continue trying to make Loki out to be a tank if you wish. Everyone here is just rolling their eyes.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:1st ability: zed's shadow clone, absorbs fatal damage and you switch places
That is with an augment, which might I add has a full sixty second cool down time after each use. Also did I mention the decoy dies basically as soon as you spawn it? Balance.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:2nd ability: infinite range zed's decoy switch, make ally immortal
Also this is an augment. Makes allies immortal for six seconds and practically no one uses it because no one can stand still long enough for it be effective. Also it lasts for a very small amount of time, so many people consider it not worth the slot.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:3d ability: go completely undetectable for forever,
Untrue. Enemies have become much more aware of Loki's these past few updates. You kill an enemy, they go alert. You brush past them, they go alert. You decloak in front of them, they fire at you even if you cloak again.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:never uncloaking
I believe you're thinking of Naramon users and Ivara.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:gives you free crits
Assassins are supposed to give more critical damage, it's their forte. That's why people play them. If they were so squishy and had nothing to make up for it, the assassin class would be redundant.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:4th ability: make every enemy a melee attacker,
A perfect way to counteract the broken scaling.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:reduce range for melee attackers, and nullify abilities
Um, what? Reduce range for melee? What does that mean? Melee enemies already have to be directly in your face to do damage. Also radial disarm does NOT nullify any ability what so ever. It takes away guns, not auras or any sort of other ability the enemies have. You are now making up rubbish.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:if we put this in league, literally every loki main will end up building tank
No he wouldn't because he matches most styles of those in the Assassin class.
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:don't believe this will happen? think again.
Um...
2 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:>loki is not op
then tell me who is
See this is where the flaw in your logic is highlighted best. There is currently no obviously massive OP frame like Limbo rework, or Mesa Peacemaker. Everything seems to be in a good balance right now. You are just looking for something to complain about.
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7 hours ago, Evanescent said:
It's unfair that it only needs one stat and can benefit without penalization.
He does have penelization. He's a glass cannon.
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3 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:
i don't want to participate in this argument anymore because you're selfish, arrogant
This is coming from someone who thinks that DE should change Loki to their personal preference.
3 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:(i got em all, losing a friend, failing a test, being worse at everything, gaining weight, etc.)
....no comment.
3 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:1. inaros can't escape a beatdown if he has no energy or ultimate charge,
If Inaros doesn't have Rage equipped then you only have yourself to blame. Otherwise energy is not a problem for him at all. And you always should have your scarab swarm up, just like Loki needs to be invisible.
3 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:loki has four abilities that give him a get out of jail free card
Two. Not four. Decoy is useless and Switch teleport is very situational. Same goes with Inaros. He has a blind, can turn into a tornado, be invicble while chugging on an enemy and can lock down entire rooms while simultaneously getting health back.
3 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:his speed is so high it allows him to escape from everything even if he's out of cloak.
False. Completely and utterly false. Sprint speed does not mean you're invincible as enemies have pin point accuracy. Did I also mention they have machine guns, shotguns and rocket launchers and snipers? Oh and of course, auras.
Sprint speed is entirely irrelevant since Parkour 2.0 which basically means every frame s now faster than a full sprint speed Loki. Just because you can run fast doesn't mean you can't get hit. Volt and Rhino can run fast, yet they still get hit and so does Loki.
3 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:He relies on stone armor in league of legends. He can take damage in both this game and that game. He takes direct damage, i.e; a tank.
3 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:He also takes damage pretty well. Which is what a tank does. Loki does not do that. When are you going to learn that tanks traditonally soak up a large amount of damage, that is why they are called tanks. Loki is not a tank.
He would be put in the assassin class if he were in league of legends, because his abilities rely on stealth, critical hits, crowd control and a little bit of deception.
3 hours ago, ALOEDA1 said:3. i don't play frames because i want to be op
Loki is not OP.
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The Pox - Popping Testicles
Tigris Prime - Ded
Sonicor - Flight Simulator
Nikana Prime - Critical Weeaboo
Silva & Aegis Prime - Flaming Crab Rangoon
Ignis Wraith - Make it bun dem
Euphona Prime - Slamberry
Mios - Get over here
Lesion - Filthy Frank
Akstilleto Prime - Pfff what armor?
Vulkar Wraith - Migraine machine
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The Kraken. I find it totally inhumane that you have to fire at an enemy an unspeakable amount of times in the head before they die with this gun. Quick and painless deaths are what they need, not suffering.
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1 hour ago, Aranaevens said:
No, "why" is another topic. The topic is how would you nerf it.
Right this getting us nowhere as all you are doing is saying that people wouldn't naturally question why a nerf would be necessary when asked how they would do it. People don't just nerf for no reason. Seeing as how Loki is balanced, people are asking "Why would we need to nerf him?". It's relevant.
1 hour ago, Aranaevens said:IF you had to nerf it, how would you do that ?
I already said I wouldn't ages ago. Don't fix what isn't broken.
1 hour ago, Aranaevens said:And no the answer wasn't given since I failed to come up with a good answer for it so I'm just going to make an excuse that you didn't come up with a good reason for a wave RD would be trash.
Fair enough. A slow wave RD would be trash since it doesn't instantly take away weapons from every enemy in the near vicinity any longer. So say you are a Loki on one side of the room and a lvl40 Grineer sniper is one the other side. Your invisibility timer is just about to run out. Now with the current RD, you could quickly cast RD and the sniper is now devoid of a weapon just as you exit your cloak. With the wave RD, you cast it and it slowly approaches the enemy, but you've decloaked and before the wave hits the enemy, it fires and you. Bam, you're down. Now other members of the team have to come and revive you. Apply that to a large crowd in one of the many huge tilesets we have and Loki would be utterly useless, since he now has less survivability and his disarm is not instant.
Another example would be if you're defending an object. Say if you are in a group and someone has already started up the defense ahead of you. You notice that your ally has been downed by a high level bombard who has now turned it's attention to the console which it can one-shot. So you can either cast the wave at a distance, by which time the bombard will have destroyed the console reulting in mission failure, or you can jump over there while he's firing at the console and get down by the splash damage, even if invisible. Current Radial Disarm would remove these problems entirely.
This is why an instantaneous disarm is far more effective than a slowly expanding wave.
No please list out why changing it to a slow moving wave, would be better and would solve all the stealth problems. Continuously turning the same type of question on me, is not going to help you at all, as I have the better argument and it just makes you look like you're avoiding the question.
1 hour ago, Aranaevens said:It doesn't mess with its core mechanics and I think the one who suggested it nailed an answer,
He gave the most pathetic answer I've heard. He was offended one of his abilities was no longer needed, neglecting the fact that actually gives him opportunity to use his other powers to his hearts content and arguably, to a more satisfying effect. Being salty about not being able to use an ability, one of which is basically another version of Radial Disarm, is not a good reason at all.
It also does mess with the core mechanics as now Loki is less useful than before and basically makes him mechanically identical to two other frames. DE want's diversity, not uninteresting copy-pastes of the same thing.
1 hour ago, Aranaevens said:I'm just answering the question of the topic. You did not.
I did actually, quite a few times and at the start. The OP said how would you nerf Loki in a way that doesn't make him trash? I said; you can't as Loki is in a very precise place where he is perfectly balanced and nerfing him directly would not solve any problems people have with stealth. That was a direct answer. It's the system that is the problem, not the frame. Many people have said this already.
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6 minutes ago, Aranaevens said:
When you ask "How [...] if" answering "You don't" brings nothing to the actual topic. Imagine someone ask you "What would you do if you were the last man standing of whole humanity ?" and you answer "I'm not", you don't answer the question.
When someone ask "how" you inevitably get "why?". Like if someone asked you "How would you change a certain aspect of a movie?" you will eventually get the question, "Why would you want to do that and would it make the movie better or worse?". Discussing on changes to things, inevitably gives rise to conflicting opinions.
You also seem to miss the point that the OP asked how could they nerf Loki without making him trash. The answer was given long ago; you can't. People have already stated the environment and stealth system is what needs work, as any change to the stealth system directly affects stealth frames.
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Just now, Aranaevens said:
"any significants benefits to this nerf" is just off topic.
When asking about how they could nerf Loki, the question of how would a nerf even benefit the game comes up. It's not off topic at all. The OP was asking how they could possibly nerf him, people have had trouble coming with possibilities and more importantly, said that it would not be necessary as there is no point to nerfing a perfectly balanced frame. i'e; no benefits to it. Nerfs have to benefit the game in some way.
It is not off-topic simply because you want to avoid the conversation. Are you going to answer the question or not?
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@Aranaevans
Look at all these people who say Loki should not be nerfed. Some even say the environment should be looked at instead, which is far more sensible than anything you and others have put forward. You are the minority. Loki is fine. End of story. Continuing this conversation would be pointless as you no ground.
On 2017-6-5 at 2:23 AM, HellDevil said:or they don't touch loki at all, he's fine and his powers! It's what he suppose to be, a trickster!
On 2017-6-5 at 2:23 AM, (Xbox One)CFE Angry said:Any change to the stealth Mechanic is a hidden nerf to loki
On 2017-6-5 at 2:26 AM, Silvus-Sol said:Loki isn't the problem, stealth is the problem. Nerfing Loki wouldn't accomplish much and isn't necessary.
On 2017-6-5 at 2:29 AM, Chipputer said:Loki is just as meta as he always was. The difference is that Ivara and Octavia are even moreso than he is so he's simply been replaced in group comps.
On 2017-6-5 at 2:33 AM, UvBenServed said:I'd actually argue that Octavia's invisibility is significantly better (albeit more awkward to use). It has a longer base duration, can be applied to an entire team, and can be refreshed indefinitely. It cost a bit more energy, but Octavia regains some energy over time whenever she uses an ability.
I don't think Loki should be nerfed, at least not directly. But if DE wants to nerf invisibility by introducing enemies that can see you while you're invisible or have enemies shoot in the general direction of invisible players whenever they hear gunfire, that might be interesting.
Instead of nerfing Loki, I would buff his first and third abilities, but have those buffs be based on power strength. This could add some variety to Loki builds, but for anyone who doesn't care about those abilities, nothing would be lost.
On 2017-6-5 at 2:41 AM, DrakoKnight48 said:Imma reply to all that by saying NO! He's already a squishy frame. Nerf the duration of his invisibly; he's gonna die VERY often. I know cause I'm using Loki right now! Combine that with the fact unless you have maxed out Primed Continuity and Narrow Minded, that duration isn't gonna last long, buddy. Matter of fact, a few seconds at best.
You're basically cutting off his kit for what reason? Why? This mentality on the forums on nerfing Warframes that DON'T need a nerf is out of hand. Stop!
On 2017-6-5 at 2:59 AM, nameomnz said:In my opinion they should either buff loki or nerf octavia
On 2017-6-5 at 3:20 AM, Ventura_Highway said:Loki would be in more trouble of the AI actually responded like you would to an invisible enemy, like if something invisible bumps into you, you'd swat it and if you heard someone loudly shooting two grakatas, you couldn't see them but you could probably shoot in the general direction of the sound.
Also if more levels were determined to kill you like the Kuva fortress, that would be another issue for loki.
On 2017-6-5 at 3:43 AM, Kusungphak said:Well there was a nerf request thread in feedback section asking for invisibility nerf. So limbo has not really completely overwhelmed the forums. Personally I don't want anything to be changed as there is nothing broken. They removed the 512x gas damage anyway. He is a good frame specific for use in certain missions only.
I mean what will be the purpose of nerfing a regularly used frame.
Is he OP ? No... Loki is normally the first one to go down if an aoe damage hits the area in a high level mission.
Can he nuke ? No... Except for irradiating disarm he can't do damage with his skills
Do his skills cause distress to team? No unless you have a griefer using switch teleport.
He is my goto frame for capture and spy missions. For capture I usually end the mission with 0 kills.
On 2017-6-5 at 3:45 AM, ShadowStalker said:How to nerf loki>you dont
On 2017-6-5 at 3:51 AM, (Xbox One)EternalDrk Mako said:if anything loki needs buffs or new tweaks to kit ...
as is hes straight forward, but plenty of his kit is now on other frames
On 2017-6-5 at 6:07 AM, jfhsanseiIII said:To be honest two of the factions have nullifiers, one of them is melee exclusive, and then there's the grineer. Modding for Loki means you're going to be modding for duration, range, or a limited version of both. I think most people fail to notice that Loki is a solid frame, with good synergy and a very LOW learning curve. The later gives him the appearance of being OP. However, things change slightly when you get into sorties or deep into endless missions. That's when I see most of those OP loki's getting knocked out because their standing next to a Nidus with Link on and a bombard in an Energy Leech Nullifier Eximus Bubble.
On 2017-6-5 at 6:14 AM, ashrah said:loki is probably one of most balanced frames.. super squshy..
23 hours ago, (PS4)ghinellil said:I don't feel Loki need a change/nerf. He isn't OP, and who play him invisible all the time are already nerfing themselves, and become almost useless for the team.
Disarm is a great ability, which i see used only by my friends when we do raids
20 hours ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said:if it were anyone else, Loki could probably be brought down a peg with no real problems, but this is DE we're talking about; they never do things in half measures, for better or worse. if they nerfed Loki, he'd be right at the bottom of the pile.
if anything, I think the people who play as loki are needing a buff more than anything, it's very rare I come across a decent Loki player.
18 hours ago, ALEX_IV said:I don't understand the point of this post.
Why talk about something that yourself do not condone in your disclaimer? It's just a waste of time.
And btw, Loki is a very balanced frame. Talking about nerfing him doesn't make sense at all.
17 hours ago, PrVonTuckIII said:Did you even read the disclaimer?
Otherwise, I think Invis just needs a mechanics change, because as of now, it's practically god-mode + stealth mode + extra melee damage (admittedly, this is more a problem with stealth mechanics in general, not just Loki).
12 hours ago, DxAdder said:DE is never going to Nerf Loki, way too many people wold drop this game in a heart beat.
11 hours ago, Jobistober said:Nerf loki? Let's not a say we did.
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Can Warframe Beat What Destiny Has?
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Warframe will always top Destiny because it is free. Paying out $60 for a game then paying more for additional DLC is just not attractive when I could get just as much, if not more enjoyment from Warframe, a free to play game.