Yezzik
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That's why I'm championing the Dex Skana, Antoine. Shared Mastery, different model--hopefully similar enough to the Prime to satisfy one side, hopefully different enough to satisfy the other side.
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Yeah, Antoine. The letter might mean the release of Dual Skana Prime as it wasn't in the purchase, the spirit would mean DE would definitely do something else instead.
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Honouring the letter of the contract means you get nothing more and nothing less than what you are legally entitled to.
Honouring the spirit of the contract means if the words could be twisted against you, DE wouldn't abuse any loopholes it gives them.
I believe the spirit of the contract is better than the letter, as it allows for leeway in the interest of customer satisfaction, which leads to repeat custom more often.
Perhaps I'm not explaining myself properly. That happens.
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Founders stuff is for Founders. These items or any variants thereof will never be released. Threads attempting to challenge this are locked immediately. In other words, the status quo. People who want Founders stuff have to get over it.
You answer my question and I'll answer yours.
No, it wouldn't be dishonest if they credited you your lost forma and gave you an Affinity booster to help you relevel anything.
Because you wouldn't have lost anything.
Your turn.
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It was an exclusive weapon that we purchased, not a skin. To change that after the transaction has been completed would be dishonest at the very least, no?
Beta.
Also, DE owns everything Warframe.
You were sold access to those items, but it remains their property.
Would you rather they honoured the word or the spirit of your transaction?
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As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what it is as long as it has shared Mastery or some other system to help equalise it.
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So DE would be changing the terms of the transaction after we gave them the money? And we're supposed to be OK with this?
You'd still have exclusive access to SKANA PRIME, regardless of its form. Or does it being a weapon as opposed to a model for a weapon matter so much?
Hell, DE could refund players a forma for each lost forma star in this change.
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It'll take either Mastery 2.0 or Weapons 2.0.
I'm in favour of the latter because DE could take the chance to fix other weapon-related problems.
A cleanup of the whole weapon list, perhaps, making all variants into alternate models for their base weapons.
Skana Prime would be a Skana model unique to Founders, etc, but would provide no Mastery.
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Probably safer technically to add rather than remove.
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Could be complicated with the different Founder items and tiers.
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Simple.Then stop asking for Founders items.
You've yet to explain why there needs to be some "Compromise" in the face of overwhelming voices of "Leave it as it is."
It'll mean less arguing over this issue, which means less of these topics. As long as Team A and Team B are diametrically opposed and unable to set aside their differences and discuss the possibility of a middle ground, neither side will relent.
I'm trying to make that discussion happen. I'm not asking for your items; I'm trying to debate the possibility of a solution that won't screw over one side or the other.
I've tried looking at this issue from the perspective of gameplay and balance, but it became clear to me from seeing this talk of Ak variants that it's more cosmetic than anything else.
Hence, I tried to find a balance between "we want Dual Skana Prime" and "we don't want you to have it."
People will either compromise on this somehow, some way, or at least one side will come away disappointed with nothing to show for it.
And the arguing will continue unabated no matter who wins.
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Why does there need to be a strike between balance?
The balance is as followed.
Want founder items?
Did you buy it?
There you go. You can have the founder items.
Didn't buy it? Oh. Well, plenty of other weapons.
Please stop projecting your concerns with the people who want the Founders' items onto me.
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And again, why not just make completely new gear rather than trying to take what Founders have?
And again, why not just make completely new gear rather than trying to take what Founders have?
I'm not trying to take what Founders have.
I'm trying to strike a balance between the two sides here.
Entirely different gear wouldn't concern this issue at all.
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Again, this is what Dex items could be for going forward. Founders keep their unique gear and everyone gets something fancy that mechanically behaves the same as the exclusives do.
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Fair enough.
Actually, I wasn't entirely truthful earlier. I'd probably still hang around this issue as I want to try and work out a solution all parties can agree to.
I'm stubborn like that.
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This is the easiest thing to fix actually. Just ensure that the highest skill in Focus is always not at the highest Mastery Rank available, but the rank below. Same with the skillpoints
Yeah, that's an idea, but it's one that would need to always be monitored.
I prefer "fire and forget" solutions. :P
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I'm pre-empting Focus and its effects on PvP.
If Focus is either disabled in PvP or DE otherwise ensures Mastery from exclusives never gives some players power levels other players can't physicslly achieve, then I'm out of this argument as I have no reason to stay then.
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Hopefully you have this mindset when rewards are first made available
Got everything released since I found out about this game and started playing, so yeah.
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The core problem is impossible to solve as both sides are diametrically opposed.
I'm trying to take a third option here.
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Hence why I keep trying to put forward my compromises, and why I'm looking at this issue from a gameplay and balance perspective.
It's the only way to progress when everyone else is so focused on cosmetics.
Hopefully a dev chimes in on whether or not shared Mastery is possible. If not, then perhaps the Dex items could give no Mastery and we could get clantech for granting ourselves the Mastery from Founder items.
What would everyone think of that?
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I'm still in favour of Dex variants of the Founder Primes, with shared Mastery between them. That way the Founders don't have to level them up if they don't want, it helps equalise Mastery and in the case of Dexcalibur it gives Excal players an upgrade to look forward to like the rest of us.
Make the Dex items share models with the base Excal, etc; that way the Founders don't feel like we're here to steal their weapons by proxy.
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Hopefully soon. Wanna get my hands on as much as possible.
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I wonder if it's possible for items to share Mastery.
Then we could have, say, a Dex Skana that shared Mastery with the Skana Prime.
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It's a matter of interpretation. Some people interpret Founder Lato Prime exclusivity as being the Lato Prime item, others think it's the Lato Prime itself.
I'm in the former group. This particular argument is going to go nowhere. At least with the issue of balancing gameplay systems like Focus, there was the possibility of a compromise.
I can't see any chance of one here. The arguments are too diametrically opposed.
Thoughts On Releasing The Aklato Prime And Dual Skana Prime [Please Be Civil And Constructive]
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It's a step in the right direction if nothing else.