Volt sprint speed

[Avadir]

Can you DE please buff volt sprint speed to like 1.2 or 1.15, I think its only fair cuz how can a tanky wukong prime(1.05) be faster that volt prime???

[sleepychewbacca]

https://forums.warframe.com/forum/34-warframes/

[Avadir]

oof thanks

[Avadir]

Can you DE please buff volt prime sprint speed to like 1.2 or 1.15, I think its only fair cuz how can a tanky wukong prime(1.05) be faster that volt prime??? 

especially now Gauss is almost here

Edited August 26, 2019 by Avadir

[(PSN)NewcastleDisease]

you should post in just one forum instead of many... (gerneral/warframe and norm/prime)

Volt has his speed ability to make him speedy, no need for a general speed buff i think. it's not the speed what makes him a mass destruction frame.

Edited August 26, 2019 by (PS4)NewcastleDisease

[Avadir]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)NewcastleDisease said:

you should post in just one forum instead of two... (gerneral/warframe)

Volt has his speed ability to make him speedy, no need for a general speed buff i think. it's not the speed what makes him a mass destruction frame.

sorry about that i don't know how to delete the other one on general, yeah i see you're point but still its dumb how some frame is faster that him if you buff them with my 3rd ability

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

He doesn't need to be faster, even in light of other fast frames.

He just needs to be unique in how he does it, and he is. He has the ability to grant that speed to allies, that's what's important compared to other fast frames. Electricity is his central focus and he does it well, using it for crowd control, speed, defense, and offense.

The common complaint with him is actually how he goes about buffing his allies' speed. It doesn't bother me, but I don't see why it couldn't be made more convenient for the seemingly endless hoards of people that bring it up.

1 minute ago, Avadir said:

sorry about that i don't know how to delete the other one on general, yeah i see you're point but still its dumb how some frame is faster that him if you buff them with my 3rd ability

I informed the moderators so they can take the other posts down. No worries.

Why exactly do you think that he has to be the fastest frame? It's not his theme. He's more well rounded that most frames in what he can do, and still has insane damage and speed compared to most frames. If you're allies end up faster than you then they aren't in range when you recast the ability and you still end up faster. What's the problem?

[Avadir]

8 minutes ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said:

He doesn't need to be faster, even in light of other fast frames.

He just needs to be unique in how he does it, and he is. He has the ability to grant that speed to allies, that's what's important compared to other fast frames. Electricity is his central focus and he does it well, using it for crowd control, speed, defense, and offense.

The common complaint with him is actually how he goes about buffing his allies' speed. It doesn't bother me, but I don't see why it couldn't be made more convenient for the seemingly endless hoards of people that bring it up.

I informed the moderators so they can take the other posts down. No worries.

Why exactly do you think that he has to be the fastest frame? It's not his theme. He's more well rounded that most frames in what he can do, and still has insane damage and speed compared to most frames. If you're allies end up faster than you then they aren't in range when you recast the ability and you still end up faster. What's the problem?

i dont exactly build my volt for str, I build him for duration for all the CC and 1 speed on squishy frame is not good, yeah i know i can just put shield down to be tanky, but i dont always want to play that way, sometime i just want to be free and when i pick up that shield i end up slower that most tanky frames 

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

5 minutes ago, Avadir said:

i dont exactly build my volt for str, I build him for duration for all the CC and 1 speed on squishy frame is not good, yeah i know i can just put shield down to be tanky, but i dont always want to play that way, sometime i just want to be free and when i pick up that shield i end up slower that most tanky frames 

That's your problem right there. The diversity in choice that you have with him because of what his abilities can do let's you choose how to mod him. But, you are also responsible for modding appropriately for the play style you are aiming for. 

You are 100% capable of modding for strength, increasing his damage and speed to crazy levels. You made the choice not to. Asking DE to increase your stats for you when you chose to mod against them is not the solution. That's like saying I ask DE to make my abilities to cost less because I chose not to mod for efficiency. Doesn't work that way, sorry.

[(NSW)DeltaZiro]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said:

That's your problem right there. The diversity in choice that you have with him because of what his abilities can do let's you choose how to mod him. But, you are also responsible for modding appropriately for the play style you are aiming for. 

You are 100% capable of modding for strength, increasing his damage and speed to crazy levels. You made the choice not to. Asking DE to increase your stats for you when you chose to mod against them is not the solution. That's like saying I ask DE to make my abilities to cost less because I chose not to mod for efficiency. Doesn't work that way, sorry.

Hes right.. its the reason mods like Rush and Speed Drift exist

[Avadir]

8 minutes ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said:

That's your problem right there. The diversity in choice that you have with him because of what his abilities can do let's you choose how to mod him. But, you are also responsible for modding appropriately for the play style you are aiming for. 

You are 100% capable of modding for strength, increasing his damage and speed to crazy levels. You made the choice not to. Asking DE to increase your stats for you when you chose to mod against them is not the solution. That's like saying I ask DE to make my abilities to cost less because I chose not to mod for efficiency. Doesn't work that way, sorry.

see but you can't mod for all str dur range and eff its really hard to balance it, especially with augments on

ps: i really like using all of volt skill thats why i put range on too

4 minutes ago, (NSW)DeltaZiro said:

Hes right.. its the reason mods like Rush and Speed Drift exist

so you mean to say that other frame can chose not put rush or and still be as fast as i do with rush? well not as fast cuz that would be 1.3 sprint speed but still you get my point

and if you say my 3rd will offset that speed difference that buff will still be carry on whoever is near me.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Avadir

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

Just now, Avadir said:

see but you can't mod for all str dur range and eff its really hard to balance it, especially with augments on

so you mean to say that other frame can chose not put rush or and still be as fast as i do with rush? well not as fast cuz that would be 1.3 sprint speed but still you get my point

and if you say my 3rd will offset that speed difference that buff will still be carry on whoever is near me.

• And now you have learned your first lesson about modding. You have to balance what you want with what you need. This is literally universal in this game. Every frame is subject to this, this isn't DE picking exclusively on Volt.
• So why not make every frame the exact same speed, so that you don't feel like someone is faster than you? Have you ever stopped to think about the fact that you're comparing two unrelated frames? Volt specializes in room wide AoE damage at the snap of a finger, and enhancing the damage and speed of ranged weapons. Wukong is a melee frame that has to physically run up to every single enemy he wants to kill. In what reality do you think it's more practical to ask for Volt to be undeniably faster than him in every situation when you can already kill every enemy from range before Wukong even gets close enough to attack the enemy?
• So...you are literally complaining that in the end someone could be faster than you. You sincerely want to be the fastest around with no competition, along with one of the most powerful AoE abilities in the game, a damage enhancing, invulnerable frontal shield, and one of the most useful 1 abiltiies. You are playing the wrong game buddy. This is a co-op game, and you're already playing a top tier frame. 

Fortunately for you, in relation to my original comment about other players complaints, I think the strength buff should be capped when affecting other players anyway. But that means nothing to you, since you're not even willing to mod correctly to get what you are asking for to begin with.

[Avadir]

6 minutes ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said:

• And now you have learned your first lesson about modding. You have to balance what you want with what you need. This is literally universal in this game. Every frame is subject to this, this isn't DE picking exclusively on Volt.
• So why not make every frame the exact same speed, so that you don't feel like someone is faster than you? Have you ever stopped to think about the fact that you're comparing two unrelated frames? Volt specializes in room wide AoE damage at the snap of a finger, and enhancing the damage and speed of ranged weapons. Wukong is a melee frame that has to physically run up to every single enemy he wants to kill. In what reality do you think it's more practical to ask for Volt to be undeniably faster than him in every situation when you can already kill every enemy from range before Wukong even gets close enough to attack the enemy?
• So...you are literally complaining that in the end someone could be faster than you. You sincerely want to be the fastest around with no competition, along with one of the most powerful AoE abilities in the game, a damage enhancing, invulnerable frontal shield, and one of the most useful 1 abiltiies. You are playing the wrong game buddy. This is a co-op game, and you're already playing a top tier frame. 

Fortunately for you, in relation to my original comment about other players complaints, I think the strength buff should be capped when affecting other players anyway. But that means nothing to you, since you're not even willing to mod correctly to get what you are asking for to begin with.

so you mean str is the only way to mod volt? cuz i can smell you only play on meta builds and all, you talk about "build diversity" and yet you want me to build only for str to get the speed that i want? I get your opinion you play volt for str for speed and his ult to clear thinks fast, it's just that I only compare volt and wukong so you get the idea that volt is easily killed and wukong is not.

[NinjaZeku]

54 minutes ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said:

Why exactly do you think that he has to be the fastest frame? It's not his theme.

Just sayin', the new intro definitely disagrees with you, he's basically The Flash in that.

Gameplay-wise, of course Volt is a very neat multi-purpose Frame and I pity those who might only use Speed,
but still, there could be a little more oomph to his speedster prowess.

Maybe just make Speed give double the (Sprint, not Melee & Reload) effect to Volt?
That might lead to even the "gotta go fast" crowd using a little less Strength (and build for / use other abilities),
which then not least would make the rest of the Squad suffer from a little less wall-face-plants 😛

[(NSW)DeltaZiro]

2 minutes ago, Avadir said:

so you mean str is the only way to mod volt? cuz i can smell you only play on meta builds and all, you talk about "build diversity" and yet you want me to build only for str to get the speed that i want? I get your opinion you play volt for str for speed and his ult to clear thinks fast, it's just that I only compare volt and wukong so you get the idea that volt is easily killed and wukong is not.

You clearly dont understand. Wukong doesnt die quickly as he needs to get upclose to an enemy, while Volt is a range frame. Wukong needs to survive when he is in the face of danger - Volt has a shield and range powers to keep him far from enemy danger.

Wukong is built to be the melee frame. Volt is the AoE CC frame, NOT a speed frame - Gauss will be the speed frame. The ONLY reason Volt has his 2nd ability is to catch up with allies and to get to an objective quickly and to have a faster fire rate, reload speed and melee speed.

Comparing Wukong to Volt is useless. modding Volt with STR makes his 2nd ability faster, even faster with speed mods - but the choice of you playing a frame who is NOT built for close range and wanting to be quick is the wrong choice.

Again, Volt is not supposed to be quick, he is the covering fire and AoE CC frame. Wukong is close range melee frame. if you dont like the speed of Volt, dont play him, its not his playstyle.

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

2 minutes ago, Avadir said:

so you mean str is the only way to mod volt? cuz i can smell you only play on meta builds and all, you talk about "build diversity" and yet you want me to build only for str to get the speed that i want? I get your opinion you play volt for str for speed and his ult to clear thinks fast

I don't build Volt for only strength Lol. I'm not the one that is asking for insane speed without modding for the one stat that determines that on the ability. If speed is what you want then you have to build that way. Build diversity doesn't mean you get whatever you want, whenever you want. It means you have options to build different ways and still be effective. Since you are choosing the path of speed then you need to equip speed mods for yourself, or strength mods for your ability buff.

I don't actually build for meta. If you have seen any of my old might've seen that I'm pretty anti-meta since we are still insanely powerful without the best of the best builds, and definitely without Rivens.

9 minutes ago, Avadir said:

I only compare volt and wukong so you get the idea that volt is easily killed and wukong is not.

But that has nothing to do with speed, or the topic you even posted. Volt is a ranged caster/gun frame. Wukong is a melee tank frame....

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

3 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said:

Just sayin', the new intro definitely disagrees with you, he's basically The Flash in that.

Then the Volt in the intro is clearly high strength build, and I bet he didn't ask DE to boost running speed to do it. 😛  That Volt is using his ability guaranteed. The OP is asking for Volt's inherent running speed to be increased so that his allies don't get to be faster than him. Lol

4 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said:

Gameplay-wise, of course Volt is a very neat multi-purpose Frame and I pity those who might only use Speed,
but still, there could be a little more oomph to his speedster prowess.

I don't disagree that it's a useful part of his kit, and I definitely don't disagree that it shouldn't be the only focus of his kit. I think the ability could use a buff to better emphasize the combat nature of the ability (maybe slows enemies near him to better emphasize his personal speed and effectiveness at that speed). But none of that would matter because it would likely be affected by ability strength which the OP refuses to mod for to get the speed that is obtained through strength mods. Lol

9 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said:

Maybe just make Speed give double the (Sprint, not Melee & Reload) effect to Volt?
That might lead to even the "gotta go fast" crowd using a little less Strength (and build for / use other abilities),
which then not least would make the rest of the Squad suffer from a little less wall-face-plants 😛

As I mentioned before, and in several previous feedback on the topic, I wouldn't mind if Volt were the only one that received 100% effectiveness of strength on his Speed buff, where other's only received 50-75% of that buff since players keep complaining about unwanted speed buffs. It seemed that the whole community disagreed with me on that though, so it's not likely to happen. That would help maintain Volt's speed within his own buff without having to be compared to Gauss or increasing his base stats just to circumvent modding appropriately for what he wants.

The whole issue here is that the OP is entirely capable of modding to get what he's asking for, like right this second. He's not willing to do it because he wants everything with no compromise, as is the entire game of balance in modding in Warframe.

[Avadir]

30 minutes ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said:

I don't build Volt for only strength Lol. I'm not the one that is asking for insane speed without modding for the one stat that determines that on the ability. If speed is what you want then you have to build that way. Build diversity doesn't mean you get whatever you want, whenever you want. It means you have options to build different ways and still be effective. Since you are choosing the path of speed then you need to equip speed mods for yourself, or strength mods for your ability buff.

I don't actually build for meta. If you have seen any of my old might've seen that I'm pretty anti-meta since we are still insanely powerful without the best of the best builds, and definitely without Rivens.

But that has nothing to do with speed, or the topic you even posted. Volt is a ranged caster/gun frame. Wukong is a melee tank frame....

lol im only asking for sprint speed, not insane speed as i said build for duration for CC and shield duration, that 1.2 or 1.15 is only an example, my current build is 40 str only so even if i use 2nd ability it almost amount to nothing, thats how i want to play my volt i only want some little buff on sprint speed, but on the way you comment on my post feels like i want an insane buff on already OP frame. Lets just respect each others opinion agree on disagree.

31 minutes ago, (NSW)DeltaZiro said:

You clearly dont understand. Wukong doesnt die quickly as he needs to get upclose to an enemy, while Volt is a range frame. Wukong needs to survive when he is in the face of danger - Volt has a shield and range powers to keep him far from enemy danger.

Wukong is built to be the melee frame. Volt is the AoE CC frame, NOT a speed frame - Gauss will be the speed frame. The ONLY reason Volt has his 2nd ability is to catch up with allies and to get to an objective quickly and to have a faster fire rate, reload speed and melee speed.

Comparing Wukong to Volt is useless. modding Volt with STR makes his 2nd ability faster, even faster with speed mods - but the choice of you playing a frame who is NOT built for close range and wanting to be quick is the wrong choice.

Again, Volt is not supposed to be quick, he is the covering fire and AoE CC frame. Wukong is close range melee frame. if you dont like the speed of Volt, dont play him, its not his playstyle.

again i only compare this two frame not base on there ability or play style just there general stats, and wukong dont always be on front of enemy he can use guns you know.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Avadir

[Avadir]

10 minutes ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said:

Then the Volt in the intro is clearly high strength build, and I bet he didn't ask DE to boost running speed to do it. 😛  That Volt is using his ability guaranteed. The OP is asking for Volt's inherent running speed to be increased so that his allies don't get to be faster than him. Lol

I don't disagree that it's a useful part of his kit, and I definitely don't disagree that it shouldn't be the only focus of his kit. I think the ability could use a buff to better emphasize the combat nature of the ability (maybe slows enemies near him to better emphasize his personal speed and effectiveness at that speed). But none of that would matter because it would likely be affected by ability strength which the OP refuses to mod for to get the speed that is obtained through strength mods. Lol

As I mentioned before, and in several previous feedback on the topic, I wouldn't mind if Volt were the only one that received 100% effectiveness of strength on his Speed buff, where other's only received 50-75% of that buff since players keep complaining about unwanted speed buffs. It seemed that the whole community disagreed with me on that though, so it's not likely to happen. That would help maintain Volt's speed within his own buff without having to be compared to Gauss or increasing his base stats just to circumvent modding appropriately for what he wants.

The whole issue here is that the OP is entirely capable of modding to get what he's asking for, like right this second. He's not willing to do it because he wants everything with no compromise, as is the entire game of balance in modding in Warframe.

you're childish, still holding on your opinion like you're high and mighty and the only one know how to mod, i agree str is the way to go if i want that godly speed of volt, but dont restrict volt using on only modding for str just so i can be the fastest i can be, while other frame can be just as fast or faster then me, for building their ability, it think is fair for volt to atleast have fast sprint speed for being squishy, and i always thinking about this new passive on volt, the more you run the faster it gets and if you stop or bump on things this new speed buff will be gone lets just be civil and just agree to disagree ok?

[(NSW)DeltaZiro]

2 minutes ago, Avadir said:

you're childish, still holding on your opinion like you're high and mighty and the only one know how to mod, i agree str is the way to go if i want that godly speed of volt, but dont restrict volt using on only modding for str just so i can be the fastest i can be, while other frame can be just as fast or faster then me, for building their ability, it think is fair for volt to atleast have fast sprint speed for being squishy, and i always thinking about this new passive on volt, the more you run the faster it gets and if you stop or bump on things this new speed buff will be gone lets just be civil and just agree to disagree ok?

we are being civil.. giving facts why he doesnt need extra speed.. youre the one who just called someone childish (which is a childish thing to do, ironic).

Volt's current passive is great, again, Gauss will the fast frame, Volt doesnt need STR all the time.. build him however you want - the fact you want him to be faster than anyone else, is possible with mods, you cant just get what you want in this game - you either wait for it or make it yourself

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

43 minutes ago, Avadir said:

my current build is 40 str only so even if i use 2nd ability it almost amount to nothing, thats how i want to play my volt

You are using the minimum possible strength and asking for a buff because you're actually subtracting from even the base stat necessary to get what you are asking for.

30 minutes ago, Avadir said:

you're childish

Name calling is childish. You're asking for your allies to never be faster than you. That's pretty childish, since it doesn't matter. At all. 

30 minutes ago, Avadir said:

still holding on your opinion like you're high and mighty and the only one know how to mod,

It's not about being high and mighty. You are asking for something. I am giving you the solution, and you are literally modding the complete opposite way. You are asking DE to give you something that you can already do yourself but aren't willing to give anything up in the process. 

30 minutes ago, Avadir said:

i agree str is the way to go if i want that godly speed of volt, but dont restrict volt using on only modding for str just so i can be the fastest i can be, while other frame can be just as fast or faster then me

With just their inherent speed stat they aren't going to be faster than you are when you have your Speed buff on. Ignore Strength for a second. I told you that you can use run speed mods as well. If you use Rush you are automatically faster than any other frame in the game that isn't using Rush. Add Speed Drift to increase that even further. 

You flat out said you wouldn't change your mods because you'd have to give something up. You are literally just asking for DE to give you free power creep because you don't want to give anything up. You have to compromise man, that's how modding works in the game.

30 minutes ago, Avadir said:

it think is fair for volt to atleast have fast sprint speed for being squishy

With high base sprint speed, and even with Speed ability active, you aren't fast enough to outrun bullets. That's not how it works here.

I'm being civil. I am giving you information to solve your problem, and you are refusing it. You don't like the solution so you feel attacked which is why you feel like I'm being uncivil. This is part of the most basic mechanics in the game and every single frame is subject to it. It's not a Volt exclusive issue, but you are making it one because you aren't following the rules of the game and letting your bias cloud your perception because you want to feel like you're the fastest. 

Hopefully when Gauss comes out you'll enjoy him since he may very well end up being the fastest and he doesn't share that speed with his team. That may be more of your type of frame.

Edited August 26, 2019 by (PS4)Ozymandias-13-
Typo

[Hypernaut1]

This was always a pet peeves of mine

[Lutesque]

The only thing that bothers me about Volt's Speed is how much Strength you have to pour into it to get any decent speed out if it...

You actually have to make a dedicated build for it.... which sucks because modding Volt that way hurts his other abilities and Vice-Versa....

[Avadir]

11 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

The only thing that bothers me about Volt's Speed is how much Strength you have to pour into it to get any decent speed out if it...

You actually have to make a dedicated build for it.... which sucks because modding Volt that way hurts his other abilities and Vice-Versa....

Thank you. exactly what i want to say. I know it sound hypocrite. but that why i want a little sprint speed boost

And why I use duration instead of str is for CC and shield

Edited August 26, 2019 by Avadir

[(NSW)DeltaZiro]

2 minutes ago, Avadir said:

thank you. exactly what i want to say. I know it sound hypocrite. but that why i want a little sprint speed boost

Rush and Speed Drift