Looking for a viable steel path secondary automatic pistol/pistols

[BlissfullyOwO]

18 minutes ago, Hexerin said:

For pistols:

• Aksomati Prime are slash monsters, scaling into Steel Path without issues. If they ever get an incarnon adapter, they'll become meta.
• Furis (the single one) with incarnon adapter is my current amusement. The normal mode is whatever, if you knock 'em on the head it'll still function in Steel Path. However, it's the incarnon form... It's like the Klamora amp prism (7xx), but sadly without punchthrough. However, because you can mod it, the damage is absolutely bonkers. I can tell you from personal experience, level 200 armored Grineer in Conjunction Survival evaporate instantly from it. Groups of them, despite it having no punch through. There's no doubt in my mind that it'll scale into mid range Endurance, if not all the way to level cap.

For shotties:

• Pyrana Prime has zero issues melting armored Grineer on Steel Path. It's also really good against groups, due to its unique gimmick of generating a phantom akimbo partner if you kill a few things within a short time, which also greatly boosts its fire rate. The duration is short, but there's no cooldown. If this thing ever gets an incarnon adapter, it could become pretty wild.

The above are generated from my own experiences, and fitting within the limitations imposed in the OP. If you're seeing different results, you've probably modded them poorly. For obvious reasons, they'll scale up and perform even better if you support them with frame abilities and whatnot.

I will need to give Aksomati Primes another chance then it sounds like.

Pyrana Prime fell off for me, I know it is a great shotgun pistol, but I love my Tenet Detron too much for me to want to switch.

I appreciate the input, I am mainly compiling a list of what people suggest for auto pistols as I wish to play with them in steel path, but find the selection for them isn't as cut and dry as with say... AOE or Beam weapons.

None of them are meta, and everyone seems to have split opinions on them.. which is why I opened this thread to narrow it down a bit.

[Hexerin]

2 minutes ago, BlissfullyOwO said:

I will need to give Aksomati Primes another chance then it sounds like.

Pyrana Prime fell off for me, I know it is a great shotgun pistol, but I love my Tenet Detron too much for me to want to switch.

I appreciate the input, I am mainly compiling a list of what people suggest for auto pistols as I wish to play with them in steel path, but find the selection for them isn't as cut and dry as with say... AOE or Beam weapons.

None of them are meta, and everyone seems to have split opinions on them.. which is why I opened this thread to narrow it down a bit.

Haven't obtained the Tenet Detron yet, but the normal Detron seemed kind of cool if memory serves from the short time I spent with it for mastery.

[BlissfullyOwO]

1 minute ago, Hexerin said:

Haven't obtained the Tenet Detron yet, but the normal Detron seemed kind of cool if memory serves from the short time I spent with it for mastery.

Please do yourself a favor and grab a Tenet Detron, I am in love with it.

Super fantastic gun.

I have 60% Magnetic on mine, and I love it.

Edited November 25, 2023 by BlissfullyOwO

[Hexerin]

5 minutes ago, BlissfullyOwO said:

Please do yourself a favor and grab a Tenet Detron, I am in love with it.

Super fantastic gun.

I have 60% Magnetic on mine, and I love it.

Looks to be radiation base. So yea, I'd also go magnetic. However...

That explains why I haven't gone for it. Really wish DE would be a little less stingy with crit chance...

[Silligoose]

12 hours ago, BlissfullyOwO said:

So, I have looked around on this forum and online and really I have found mostly old threads and old videos based around this.

I have been looking for a single or dual auto firing pistol that is viable into endgame steel path.

What are some of your suggestions, or what would you use if you had one auto pistol? I typically see the obvious meta weapons, but those never have automatic pistols in them.

At the moment I am using a rattleguts secondary kitgun to fit this niche, along with the Twin Grakata's, but I feel these might fall off in late game steel path even with a riven.

Any input will be appreciated, I can only seem to find old posts about this topic and I know the state of what is viable changes around.

Thanks.

As others, I give Aksomati Prime a thumbs as well.

Dual Toxocyst's Incarnon mode is auto firing and hits very hard. It does have a ricochet mechanic though, which may turn some players off.

[BlissfullyOwO]

10 minutes ago, Silligoose said:

As others, I give Aksomati Prime a thumbs as well.

Dual Toxocyst's Incarnon mode is auto firing and hits very hard. It does have a ricochet mechanic though, which may turn some players off.

I have put Aksomati Prime at the top of my list for sure, I need to retry it (and keep re-rolling this riven... I can't get what I want on it)

 

I am waiting for the incarnon to come around for the Dual Toxocyst's, but as they are base, even with a fire rate riven and fire rate mods... I can't stand that weapon.

[Venus-Venera]

vor 56 Minuten schrieb Hexerin:

Haven't obtained the Tenet Detron yet, but the normal Detron seemed kind of cool if memory serves from the short time I spent with it for mastery.

I like weapon design and sounds. but:
Damage is very poor compared to other weapons. the weapon has a small aoe? So no headshots? because then there are no procs for unlimited ammo etc. because then you can add arcane velosity. and a buff warframe like Harrow. Harrow cleans 20x lvl 190 elite units in less than 5-10 seconds thanks to headshots. and only with roar+2nd skill. And in the group he still has his own crit buff and probably other buffs from the team.

and secondary fire still hasn't been pimped. Years ago there were enough suggestions here in the forum. was probably ignored as always.

[Hayrack]

Dex Furis is a neat bullet hose for me. I suppose with enough investment and specialised hybrid builds, it could decently shred.

[BlissfullyOwO]

18 minutes ago, Hayrack said:

Dex Furis is a neat bullet hose for me. I suppose with enough investment and specialised hybrid builds, it could decently shred.

I've heard that it comes from an event, so unfortunately that's out of the question for me.

I am sure that would be nice though especially with the incarnon.

 

[Hexerin]

6 minutes ago, BlissfullyOwO said:

I've heard that it comes from an event, so unfortunately that's out of the question for me.

I am sure that would be nice though especially with the incarnon.

 

They're handed out via a special alert during the game's anniversaries. We're not far from the next run of 'em, so keep your ear to the ground.

[Numerounius]

The Kuva and Tenet Weapons are your best bet, get an elemental bonus up into the 50ies and it can pack a punch. You can also use the frame choice to influence how effective something like Rhino's Roar.

[BlissfullyOwO]

3 hours ago, Numerounius said:

The Kuva and Tenet Weapons are your best bet, get an elemental bonus up into the 50ies and it can pack a punch. You can also use the frame choice to influence how effective something like Rhino's Roar.

If Tenet Diplos didn't have that stupid ADS mechanic I would be instantly drawn to them, but as it stands I don't like them at all.

I have a 60% Toxin Kuva Twin Stubbas, I had a feeling those might be the best auto pistol available if anything for the status alone, but I (despise how they look) so they have sat collecting dust.

[(PSN)Mentat_Atavist]

14 hours ago, BlissfullyOwO said:

My plan isn't to be narrow.

They aren't my only focus, I am mainly asking because I have what I need for every other possible play style I want.

I just haven't found the right auto pistols that I want to use, when I want to have fun with auto pistols.

I have a lot of other secondaries, and I don't plan on always maining secondaries, my goal here was to find new suggestions for fun auto pistols that also work well into steel path.

I hear ya.  

Most of the weapons suggested here work into steel path just fine, but they will never be powerful when compared to dozens of primaries.  

What would fun to you with auto pistols?  I think you need to define your emotional need that isn't being satisfied.  Are you looking for something with flair, cool sound and maybe something signature about the feeling?  Akjagara Prime can be deadly little slash monsters with a tight pistol crack sound.  But they are not auto.  The smart ass in me wants to suggest the dex pixia prime...    I really wanted to like the T. Diplos too, but that alt fire is quite bothersome, too bad it didn't function seamlessly like the Kuva Quartakk.

I think the Aksomati Pr that others have suggested is worth a look, they are decent enough iirc.  

Good luck and I hope you settle into something!

/Mentat

[BlissfullyOwO]

8 minutes ago, (PSN)Mentat_Atavist said:

I hear ya.  

Most of the weapons suggested here work into steel path just fine, but they will never be powerful when compared to dozens of primaries.  

What would fun to you with auto pistols?  I think you need to define your emotional need that isn't being satisfied.  Are you looking for something with flair, cool sound and maybe something signature about the feeling?  Akjagara Prime can be deadly little slash monsters with a tight pistol crack sound.  But they are not auto.  The smart ass in me wants to suggest the dex pixia prime...    I really wanted to like the T. Diplos too, but that alt fire is quite bothersome, too bad it didn't function seamlessly like the Kuva Quartakk.

I think the Aksomati Pr that others have suggested is worth a look, they are decent enough iirc.  

Good luck and I hope you settle into something!

/Mentat

I appreciate your response.

I actually have the Akjagara Prime, I wanted to give those a try.. but yeah I mean they do sound good and are nice dual pistols, but if I want a single fire pistol I have my Lex Prime Incarnon (I love this thing)

I would say that looks are a factor (who doesn't want a sexy looking gun?) sound, eh.. doesn't have to be great in that aspect.

I would like one that hasn't been powercrept into the ground, and ones that don't rely on Incarnons.

I believe with the right mods the Aksomati Prime has been the top suggested to me, and giving them another try with lethal torrent, and some other fire rate mods I can agree I like this one a lot more now.

I am looking for a bullet hose, and that is what drew me to the Twin Grakatas, but apart from being a meme, I don't think with their ammo economy that they can take me into an endurance steel path run.

I did go the kitgun route as well as I thought that might give me the best of what I am looking for since (I get to build it based off my wants) I just don't know the full viability of Rattleguts in steel path overall.

The main issue is that compared to primary autos, the options aren't as cut and dry for auto pistols... the options seem very limited, and a lot of them seem to have been powercrept, and left behind.

[Venus-Venera]

vor 9 Minuten schrieb (PSN)Mentat_Atavist:

I hear ya.  

Most of the weapons suggested here work into steel path just fine, but they will never be powerful when compared to dozens of primaries.  

What would fun to you with auto pistols?  I think you need to define your emotional need that isn't being satisfied.  Are you looking for something with flair, cool sound and maybe something signature about the feeling?  Akjagara Prime can be deadly little slash monsters with a tight pistol crack sound.  But they are not auto.  The smart ass in me wants to suggest the dex pixia prime...    I really wanted to like the T. Diplos too, but that alt fire is quite bothersome, too bad it didn't function seamlessly like the Kuva Quartakk.

I think the Aksomati Pr that others have suggested is worth a look, they are decent enough iirc.  

Good luck and I hope you settle into something!

/Mentat

It's not about performance at all.
Because a lot of things in this topic work rather poorly and then it's just about single targets and you have to build everything around the weapon. i.e. arcanes, warframe skills etc.

So it's nice that we spoke. But the weapons are not effective at all.

[Hexerin]

4 hours ago, BlissfullyOwO said:

If Tenet Diplos didn't have that stupid ADS mechanic I would be instantly drawn to them, but as it stands I don't like them at all.

Yea, DE really needs to convert the locking mechanic to an alternate fire mode (toggled via the alt fire button, like most other guns that have multiple fire modes).

1 minute ago, Venus-Venera said:

But the weapons are not effective at all.

What weapon(s) are you having trouble making work on their own?

Edited November 25, 2023 by Hexerin

[(PSN)slightconfuzzled]

On 2023-11-25 at 10:39 AM, BlissfullyOwO said:

I will specify a bit on what I am trying to describe as I know there are a lot of factors.

Steel Path Endurance was a good example yes, that would be correct. I would like to keep incarnons out of the picture for now as I know all I need to know about those, but base guns wise is mainly what I am asking. As I mentioned prior, I like beam weapons, but it doesn't scratch that itch for me as far as finding a bullet hose secondary.

I have Knell Prime and Pyrana Prime, but those never felt like the bullet hoses I would be looking for. I rarely use either as I just don't like their thing very much (Though I might use Pyrana Prime again it has been a hot minute since I used it.) I have heard about the Prisma Twin Gremlins, but I have been apprehensive as I haven't seen much on them and have assumed they fell off compared to something like the Twin Grakatas, but I haven't used them personally so if you recommend them I might give them a shot. I am looking for a simple bullet hose secondary, no incarnon, no beam.. just a reliable auto pistol/dual pistol I can use in general steel path, and endurance runs without it taking ages to kill things.. or running out of ammo.

 

Thanks for your reply. Having caught up on the thread, I definitely think Twin Kohmak was a good suggestion from someone else, to at least try out. It is very similar to the spool up mechanic of the Kohm/Kuva Kohm, which also means, in the hands of certain Warframes like Wisp, Harrow, and ways to increase fire rate (and having some Exilus mods to help with stability or ammo concerns, you can make them weapons that start to shred very fast... (you can also do this with mods that increase fire rate as well obviously). However some people do not like the spool up method, because of the other issues it can create (slow to start up without building around that issue, ammo capacity issues). Also, I am not sure how well it fairs into harder content. I could use mine in Steel Path, and it was great at base Steel Path, but I had a love hate relationship with them, because I felt they were only "good" with Warframes that could increase fire rate, that way I could just mod for power, but then it meant my set up for the guns on other Warframes, felt lacking, and too slow to spool up. That and I just preferred the Kuva Kohm. I wish there were a Kuva version of the Twin Kohmak though. 

Others have mentioned it a little, you could potentially like Athodai. Just that its similar to the Knell/Knell Prime, so it may not be what you are looking for specifically. You also need headshots to turn it into the faster version. In some ways its more lenient, like no zoomed in scope, but IIRC the buffs aren't as boosted, aside from fire rate. 

I can't really think of anything else, as in it almost seems like Warframe, despite having 600 plus weapons, may not have the sort of weapon you are looking for so exactly. Is there a Primary gun that has the sensation of what you are looking for, you just wish there was a Secondary version? Primary weapons feel like they have a bit more variety and diversity with its bullet hose type weapons. Or even another gun from another game/franchise? 

Anyway, the variety of guns in Warframe is one of my fav things about it, so I understand wanting to find a weapon to satisfy a particular sort of feeling or itch. At least with Warframe, if you don't find something exactly like you are after, they add a bunch of weapons each year. Some of my most favourite feeling weapons were added relatively recent.

Good luck!  

[BlissfullyOwO]

14 minutes ago, (PSN)slightconfuzzled said:

 

Thanks for your reply. Having caught up on the thread, I definitely think Twin Kohmak was a good suggestion from someone else, to at least try out. It is very similar to the spool up mechanic of the Kohm/Kuva Kohm, which also means, in the hands of certain Warframes like Wisp, Harrow, and ways to increase fire rate (and having some Exilus mods to help with stability or ammo concerns, you can make them weapons that start to shred very fast... (you can also do this with mods that increase fire rate as well obviously). However some people do not like the spool up method, because of the other issues it can create (slow to start up without building around that issue, ammo capacity issues). Also, I am not sure how well it fairs into harder content. I could use mine in Steel Path, and it was great at base Steel Path, but I had a love hate relationship with them, because I felt they were only "good" with Warframes that could increase fire rate, that way I could just mod for power, but then it meant my set up for the guns on other Warframes, felt lacking, and too slow to spool up. That and I just preferred the Kuva Kohm. I wish there were a Kuva version of the Twin Kohmak though. 

Others have mentioned it a little, you could potentially like Athodai. Just that its similar to the Knell/Knell Prime, so it may not be what you are looking for specifically. You also need headshots to turn it into the faster version. In some ways its more lenient, like no zoomed in scope, but IIRC the buffs aren't as boosted, aside from fire rate. 

I can't really think of anything else, as in it almost seems like Warframe, despite having 600 plus weapons, may not have the sort of weapon you are looking for so exactly. Is there a Primary gun that has the sensation of what you are looking for, you just wish there was a Secondary version? Primary weapons feel like they have a bit more variety and diversity with its bullet hose type weapons. Or even another gun from another game/franchise? 

Anyway, the variety of guns in Warframe is one of my fav things about it, so I understand wanting to find a weapon to satisfy a particular sort of feeling or itch. At least with Warframe, if you don't find something exactly like you are after, they add a bunch of weapons each year. Some of my most favourite feeling weapons were added relatively recent.

Good luck!  

I appreciate your time and effort of going through the post and making a detailed response.

I did build the Twin Kohmaks, and will be using those to see what I can get out of them (I am hoping for the best, the Kuva Kohm is in my top 3 primary weapons to use)

My bullet hose primary of choice is definitly either the Stahlta or the Baza Prime (Baza feels perfect to me, though it isn't meta at all)

I have seen the Athodai, but do not see what it can do for me that the Knell Prime can't already, and I already don't care much for the whole shooting in the head first to get it to fire fast.

I have a few options in the primary slot that fill what I want, but sometimes I want to switch it up and use maybe a rifle, aoe, or spreadshot shotgun in the primary slot, and want a fully automatic bullet hose to switch to (again, mainly to switch things up for fun)

I am fine with a spool up, that has never really bothered me, especially when fire rate mods, or even a riven can pretty much make that a non-issue.

I don't mind taking the time to get the resources for it, I just don't want to go onto the market and get a weapon for platinum that is now just not worth the time (aka the Akstilleto Prime...they cost 150 platinum on a good day)

There have been enough recommendations to help push me in the right direction, my main reason for posting this is that I haven't seen a post about auto pistols since back in 2019-2020, and with how things move forward quickly in this game, wanted to know what still works in steel path.

I like a break from the meta every once in awhile, I have the resources, I just want opinions... and that is where things can get muddy...

Unfortunately there seem to be more bad auto pistols than good in a sea of automatic pistols, so I was trying to make a list of some that haven't died off yet.

Thanks for the help.

[(PSN)slightconfuzzled]

2 minutes ago, BlissfullyOwO said:

Thanks for the help.

 

All good. 

Also, the Akstilleto Prime are not worth that much Plat. Like, I doubt you would like it that much, I would recommend just waiting for it to return and grinding it for it (or even paying for it then, when prices drop). 

I hope you like the Twin Kohmak, its really like the cousin of the Kohm in a lot of ways. 

Now that I know you are a fan of the Stahlta and Baza Prime, yeah, I definitely get a better understanding. I really like those weapons too, have good Rivens for both as well. Baza isn't really meta yeah, I still like taking it with Ivara a lot, with her invisibility buff and my Riven, it makes base Steel Path a smooth and chill experience (and since its Ivara, and its silenced, ample opportunity to get headshots). Stahlta, is one of my most used weapons, we don't really have a secondary version of it though, which could be an interesting weapon to have. 

Oh, ehh, its not really a bullet hose pistol, but have you used the Akarius? They are getting a Prime version soon. They are automatic, but they shoot little homing rockets. They are a little bit similar to the Tenet Diplos in concept, but I personally think are way better. Since their fire rate is faster, there isn't any mod switch, as far as targeting. I know some people don't like them because of the self stagger though (they are mini aoe rockets, so can stagger), and they also have ammo concerns too. Plus limited magazine, isn't very bullet hose like at all. So I don't think you will like them, but you might want to at least be aware of them, especially with the Prime version coming out in January. 

Oh and with the Athodai, the only advantage I can say it might have, is just the aesthetic. I think the Knell Prime is better, but Athodai has this advanced futuristic hand laser vibe. However like you say, you do have to get headshots to make the most of it. I personally like always trying to get headshots, but even I can be weary of such weapons (a lot of Warframe enemies have heads in weird places). 

Take care! 

[BlissfullyOwO]

9 minutes ago, (PSN)slightconfuzzled said:

 

All good. 

Also, the Akstilleto Prime are not worth that much Plat. Like, I doubt you would like it that much, I would recommend just waiting for it to return and grinding it for it (or even paying for it then, when prices drop). 

I hope you like the Twin Kohmak, its really like the cousin of the Kohm in a lot of ways. 

Now that I know you are a fan of the Stahlta and Baza Prime, yeah, I definitely get a better understanding. I really like those weapons too, have good Rivens for both as well. Baza isn't really meta yeah, I still like taking it with Ivara a lot, with her invisibility buff and my Riven, it makes base Steel Path a smooth and chill experience (and since its Ivara, and its silenced, ample opportunity to get headshots). Stahlta, is one of my most used weapons, we don't really have a secondary version of it though, which could be an interesting weapon to have. 

Oh, ehh, its not really a bullet hose pistol, but have you used the Akarius? They are getting a Prime version soon. They are automatic, but they shoot little homing rockets. They are a little bit similar to the Tenet Diplos in concept, but I personally think are way better. Since their fire rate is faster, there isn't any mod switch, as far as targeting. I know some people don't like them because of the self stagger though (they are mini aoe rockets, so can stagger), and they also have ammo concerns too. Plus limited magazine, isn't very bullet hose like at all. So I don't think you will like them, but you might want to at least be aware of them, especially with the Prime version coming out in January. 

Oh and with the Athodai, the only advantage I can say it might have, is just the aesthetic. I think the Knell Prime is better, but Athodai has this advanced futuristic hand laser vibe. However like you say, you do have to get headshots to make the most of it. I personally like always trying to get headshots, but even I can be weary of such weapons (a lot of Warframe enemies have heads in weird places). 

Take care! 

I plan on getting the prime Akarius when then come out (mainly because I will absolutely be getting the gauss prime pack), but I had the Akarius for a bit and honestly I just wasn't a fan at all (I deleted them for the weapon slot)

Still, I have enough information from this post to make some educated decisions, and hopefully to help anyone looking for a good up to date auto pistol.

Thanks again.

[BlissfullyOwO]

On 2023-11-24 at 7:08 PM, CephalonCarnage said:

Overframe build. 15.4 fr, 130% cc, 4.8 cd only 787 damage per bullet. Its a fun weapon more than anything TBH. Rattleguts rivens are ten-a-penny. But it did need the forma.

Never got to fully thank you for this build.

I built the version of Rattleguts with the gibber stock, and it has been all I have been using right now.

Thanks again, it is fantastic, and just what I needed.

Got any other great kitgun suggestions? I just got into kitguns, and am loving them so far. Pairing this with the primary Tombfinger I just built has been very fun.

[Karyst]

On 2023-11-24 at 10:38 PM, BlissfullyOwO said:

So, I have looked around on this forum and online and really I have found mostly old threads and old videos based around this.

I have been looking for a single or dual auto firing pistol that is viable into endgame steel path.

What are some of your suggestions, or what would you use if you had one auto pistol? I typically see the obvious meta weapons, but those never have automatic pistols in them.

At the moment I am using a rattleguts secondary kitgun to fit this niche, along with the Twin Grakata's, but I feel these might fall off in late game steel path even with a riven.

Any input will be appreciated, I can only seem to find old posts about this topic and I know the state of what is viable changes around.

Thanks.

Viper with Skull Shots mod.

Edited November 26, 2023 by Karyst

[CephalonCarnage]

9 hours ago, BlissfullyOwO said:

Never got to fully thank you for this build.

I built the version of Rattleguts with the gibber stock, and it has been all I have been using right now.

Thanks again, it is fantastic, and just what I needed.

Got any other great kitgun suggestions? I just got into kitguns, and am loving them so far. Pairing this with the primary Tombfinger I just built has been very fun.

kitgun go brrrrrrr. hurhur. I know how it feels.

My only other kitgun I use is a sporelacer secondary. I use it almost exclusively for archon hunts, specifically the 2nd stage against the mobs as its too OP. Another riven for it, haymaker and splat - its not quite a shotgun secondary as it has arcing shots, but it has AoE and eyewatering damage. Its the kind of gun you just spam around for graphic-card-kiling particles and enemies exploding around you. Your biggest problem with it is accuracy but once you get a feel for the distance arc it kills everything. Unfortunately you may have to guess where the enemies are due to the particles and I strongly suggest giving it a low-intensity colour (though I gave it a blue, so now its a killer watre pistol) but that makes viewing the shot trajectory harder so YMMV as what works well.

Admittedly I have a good riven for it - +49% elec, +121% damage, +78% cd, -50% slash

[SneakyErvin]

As others have mentioned Dual Toxocyst or Furis Incarnon are really good. Just make sure to mod for some punch through on Dual Toxocyst since it makes the incarnon form even more deadly. Other than that there is always Laetum aswell, and Angstrum Incarnon is pretty decent.