(PSN)Keiji_Haku Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) So rewrote this portion to a better idea. A list of fixes and then eventual vote on what the best thing is to do because as the saying in my group goes "If enough people *@##$ DE will listen" My Idea is this: 2 factions, 1 attacking and 1 defending The attacking faction will take over without the players help. If the player chooses to assist it will only speed up the taking of the node. The defending faction will not fend off the attackers without the players help. This will take a lot more effort in order for the invaders to be put to rest. Player action will be required. This allows for a single faction to have an advantage which is basically what we need. Players can still fuel the outcome but the outcome does not rest solely in the players hands. Throw your ideas in and ill put em in the opening post. Edited June 9, 2014 by (PS4)Keiji_Haku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aver Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 i may not like it but i think the players should suffer through their decisions... i like that about the game, you deal with the consequences you and your fellow tenno's decide on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Keiji_Haku Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) i may not like it but i think the players should suffer through their decisions... i like that about the game, you deal with the consequences you and your fellow tenno's decide on. i can't control the actions of all other players and neither can anyone else, plus NO ONE should be punished for enjoying a video game. You're right but it can't happen. Besides what about new players? We're basically deciding what they play against Edited June 8, 2014 by (PS4)Keiji_Haku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzaku4489 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I agree with what Aver said, but there is also a system in place where the original faction will start pumping out better rewards when they're losing. This means that once Corpus basically own everything, Grineer will start throwing out forma and potatoes like crazy until they take back some land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)STARSIDE_DESTINY Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 i may not like it but i think the players should suffer through their decisions... i like that about the game, you deal with the consequences you and your fellow tenno's decide on. I agree with your philosophy, but in practice it doesn't work because no one is deciding based on battle pay right now, everyone is just farming the Brakk. Personally the only Grineer invasion I've supported in over 3 weeks happened yesterday, and only because they were offering a Catalyst BP as battle pay. The assassin spawn rates just need to be increased, I've had my death marks for over a month (including Stalker DMs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtexas Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 i may not like it but i think the players should suffer through their decisions... i like that about the game, you deal with the consequences you and your fellow tenno's decide on. Thank you, someone who understands part of the point of invasions. Its the players decision if that happens, if the corpus take over ceres then the fault befalls solely on the community for doing that. Another thing to mention is that if you didnt actively help in defending the grineer on ceres during the invasions, then you have no right to complain. Its like politic elections, if you never voted for anyone you dont really have a right to complain against who was elected because you didnt help do anything to stop that person from being elected (not voting). The same issue on currently on PC aswell. I will agree however that the invasion system isnt perfect, maybe DE could implemented a thing where if a faction gets pushed really hard (in this case, grineer) on a planet, then the faction focuses all its strength on trying to take back that planet and they will have greater rewards as opposed to the faction thats taking over the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Keiji_Haku Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Take for instance Vay hek. When ceres is gone no prosectutors, thats a boss, mods, and a whole warframe gone. Thats a pretty hefty wipe for a whole playerbase to decide. I think it would be ok if the opposing faction had an edge without the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead_Rabbits Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 +1 on reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtexas Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Take for instance Vay hek. When ceres is gone no prosectutors, thats a boss, mods, and a whole warframe gone. Thats a pretty hefty wipe for a whole playerbase to decide. I think it would be ok if the opposing faction had an edge without the player. Yes it is hefty, but they never the less decided to do that. The community decided to screw out other players because of their greed for a weapon. Theres not much you can do but play for the grineer and see if you can push back the corpus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Keiji_Haku Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Oh how about this? The opposing side will take the node without the players help, and the players either defend and evenutally halt the invaders and stave em off or they help speed the attack and eventual take over of the node? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Keiji_Haku Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Yes it is hefty, but they never the less decided to do that. The community decided to screw out other players because of their greed for a weapon. Theres not much you can do but play for the grineer and see if you can push back the corpus. This isn't one of those situations though that you can fight back and have a chance to win. On ps4 players aren't deciding on battle pay, they're deciding by the Detron or brakk with brakk winning. There you go, remove these two guns from invasions. Reset, remove the brakk and Detron Players will play for rewards Edited June 8, 2014 by (PS4)Keiji_Haku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzatuw Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Remove these two guns. No just no. People spent tons of time farming these and people were rewarded these in the gravidius dilemma. Some people spent forma and Potato on them. Just make another way to gain them instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Keiji_Haku Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 Remove these two guns. No just no. People spent tons of time farming these and people were rewarded these in the gravidius dilemma. Some people spent forma and Potato on them. Just make another way to gain them instead. thats what i meant lol sorry for the lack of clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Redwire Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Well if DE felt the need to reset it I wouldn't have a problem with. So until they feel a need to reset it - here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low1991 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 i can't control the actions of all other players and neither can anyone else, plus NO ONE should be punished for enjoying a video game. You're right but it can't happen. Besides what about new players? We're basically deciding what they play against +1 But a game mission which are affected by player' contribution is nice. just need adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verre Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 maybe DE could implemented a thing where if a faction gets pushed really hard (in this case, grineer) on a planet, then the faction focuses all its strength on trying to take back that planet and they will have greater rewards as opposed to the faction thats taking over the planet. That would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I agree with what Aver said, but there is also a system in place where the original faction will start pumping out better rewards when they're losing. This means that once Corpus basically own everything, Grineer will start throwing out forma and potatoes like crazy until they take back some land. This is the system that the invasions are intended to follow. It will eventually pay off having all the nodes go to one faction... eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoeleVeerod Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) We PC players had this problem as well, what with Grustrag Three and all basically spelling doom for the Grineer. But now they are gaining control again, because many people got their Brakk (or stopped caring, not sure), and because of several issues compromising other players' experience, such as the farm for Beacons. The users are evening out the factions without need for a reset. Hopefully it will be the same for PS4 players as well. EDIT: and of course, if DE decides there needs to be a forced balancing act, they will definitely do that, don't worry. I'm sure it takes nothing to assign nodes to this or that faction. Edited June 8, 2014 by Vintovka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryoClaw Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 i can't control the actions of all other players and neither can anyone else, plus NO ONE should be punished for enjoying a video game. You're right but it can't happen. Besides what about new players? We're basically deciding what they play against Sooooon basically it's just like real life? You suffer the consequences of choices others made/are making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonb2011 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Idk if anyone mentioned this or not since I didn't read every comment, but they're already working on a "home world bonus" for the factions to keep the corpus from spreading like lice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 An online petition? Aha. Ahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaDas Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 maybe just reset ceres would be enough.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight053 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Idk if anyone mentioned this or not since I didn't read every comment, but they're already working on a "home world bonus" for the factions to keep the corpus from spreading like lice. I honestly doubt they would follow the battle pay when you need Brakk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CM-SASMcBride Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 no i disagree.....they wanted invasion missions so they put them in game. This is the consequences of having this type of missions in game. Just have to wait till the grineer can stage a counter attack and win it all back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitioner Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 its financial crisis bank bailout all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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