Moomabo Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/03/030703.asp You should be directing people here as I believe it would be more helpful. Particularly this part "... that this company has 1,000 authorized shares. If it offered 300 shares in an IPO, gave 150 to the executives and retained 550 in the treasury, then the number of shares outstanding would be 450 shares (300 float shares + 150 restricted shares). If after a couple years XYZ was doing extremely well and wanted to buy back 100 shares from the market, the number of outstanding shares would fall to 350, the number of treasury shares would increase to 650 and the float would fall to 200 shares since the buyback was done through the market (300 – 100)." Also, if "outstanding" actually means floating & unrestricted shares, there's always the chance that DE has only made 49% or less of its shares available (and left the rest restricted). Which would be fine because PWE wouldn't own the company. Float is the unrestricted shares mate. Light in the darkness. Hey, look! Hope! No company would have more then 49% of it's stock outstanding unless it was going belly up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)infuriatedplayer Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yeah, just finished reading through the definition of outstanding shares. Outstanding shares do not comprise 100% of a company's shares, not by a longshot (unless the company went full public and unrestricted 100% of its shares). Outstanding just means floating and unrestricted shares, and DE as the company holds control of the % of shares which are unrestricted. This means that they could have made 49% or less of their shares unrestricted/floating, meaning that PWE is likely not buying 100% of shares. My guess is that DE wants to remain as the owner of their own company and have authority over design decisions, in which case PWE is literally just investing money by buying the outstanding (floating/unrestricted) shares. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess this number would be anywhere between 5 and 25% of total shares. PWE is only getting as many shares as DE is willing to sell. DE can still restrict as many shares as they want to prevent PWE from buying them all. i know this is off topic but... Here are my taxes doge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter13 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 What I fear from this is the potential buy-out led by Perfect World Ltd. later on. As long as DE holds majority shares or someone within DE holds more shares than PWE, PWE cannot do a buy out. No company would have more then 49% of it's stock outstanding unless it was going belly up. And I don't believe DE is going belly up; they're still hiring new employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methanoid Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 TD;LR PWE can't own this game. So even if its true, it won't change the game whatsoever. PANIC is dead. stop worrying. /THREAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechNexus Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 DE, for the love of god, whoever's idea this was, talk some sense into them. Perfect world WILL meddle with things. You went solo with this game to avoid that. Not to mention, going through with this is basically suicide. You want proof? Just look at this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arabaxus Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Perfect World Entertainment and their handling of past games (see Rusty Hearts) just shows their ineptness in this field of management. Though acquisition would be fine if Warframe for the most part remained independent even if under the name of PWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsydeFX Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Sounds... tolerate-able. I'm still scared that there might be major changes. I.... I just couldn't live with this. if they're only investing in a small number of shares, then they don't have any influence, and are only trying to build their own share base, nothing more. I hope this is the case. I truly do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iChauncey Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLLOLOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLLOOLLOOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL SO TRUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nkomo-Sama Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Not really =/ Definition of 'Outstanding Shares' A company's stock currently held by all its shareholders, including share blocks held by institutional investors and restricted shares owned by the company’s officers and insiders. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/outstandingshares.asp Oh dear. Well this coupled with a lack of response and DE changing their name to DE LIMITED...Yea.... no bueno. Rebecca it is time to do damage control. I'm not sure you can. If you cannot I'd assume a confidentiality clause is in place which facilitates a deal. GRAN MALO. Xbox one...ps4...open beta... I am going to reserve final judgment and remain confident. It would be nice to wow us and follow through right now. I have my spin goggles on. Shoot straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlouetteSK Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolen Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I hope PWE will rework mechanics and balance weapons, yeah, I'm dreaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 As long as DE holds majority shares or someone within DE holds more shares than PWE, PWE cannot do a buy out. Unless PWE starts running a black knight takeover tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10twenty4 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 >non-binding term sheet >have not yet entered into any legally binding definitive agreement >outstanding shares Wow, it's @(*()$ nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)StoneRevolver Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 yeah he hate the fact they the Tenno are model related to asian culture. Completely unrelated. Stop flame baiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senketsu_ Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 you keep doing this. you make a mistake and defend it. you're not mature enough to admit that people can't read your mind when you make a one word post. WHAT WAS THE @(*()$ MISTAKE YOU NEVER TOLD IT TO ME! HOW CAN I KNOW I MADE A MISTAKE IF I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW IT WAS A MISTAKE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitioner Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 As long as DE holds majority shares or someone within DE holds more shares than PWE, PWE cannot do a buy out. And I don't believe DE is going belly up; they're still hiring new employees. If DE could've/could inform us of that... That'd be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengu-musume Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 yeah he hate the fact they the Tenno are model related to asian culture. Hiding info much? You made that thread saying we need more Japanese S#&$ in the game. And as usual, you tried to defend yourself saying "oh no I meant Asian~" Please. The whole story. Don't leave S#&$ out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo212 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yeah, just finished reading through the definition of outstanding shares. Outstanding shares do not comprise 100% of a company's shares, not by a longshot (unless the company went full public and unrestricted 100% of its shares). Outstanding just means floating and unrestricted shares, and DE as the company holds control of the % of shares which are unrestricted. This means that they could have made 49% or less of their shares unrestricted/floating, meaning that PWE is likely not buying 100% of shares. My guess is that DE wants to remain as the owner of their own company and have authority over design decisions, in which case PWE is literally just investing money by buying the outstanding (floating/unrestricted) shares. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess this number would be anywhere between 5 and 25% of total shares. PWE is only getting as many shares as DE is willing to sell. DE can still restrict as many shares as they want to prevent PWE from buying them all. Thank you for bringing hope XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Truth? The Free2Play moniker has done this, imo... Development costs money. When you don't pay money into the process, development still costs money. The company has employees and they don't work for free. DE has ever been a for profit venture... They got bills like everybody else. Whatever this business is with PWE, it's meant to either put their ledgers in the black or help keep them there. We can choose not to like it, but we have to respect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krjal Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yeah, just finished reading through the definition of outstanding shares. Outstanding shares do not comprise 100% of a company's shares, not by a longshot (unless the company went full public and unrestricted 100% of its shares). Outstanding just means floating and unrestricted shares, and DE as the company holds control of the % of shares which are unrestricted. This means that they could have made 49% or less of their shares unrestricted/floating, meaning that PWE is likely not buying 100% of shares. My guess is that DE wants to remain as the owner of their own company and have authority over design decisions, in which case PWE is literally just investing money by buying the outstanding (floating/unrestricted) shares. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess this number would be anywhere between 5 and 25% of total shares. PWE is only getting as many shares as DE is willing to sell. DE can still restrict as many shares as they want to prevent PWE from buying them all. Please be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Perfect world, where games are put onto feeding racks like human cattle for vampires. Then slowly bleed out, just slowly enough not to outright kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire_Ashes Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 +1 to thread. Everything that needs to be said has been said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAnotherRougeAI Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I think it's safe to say that this topic has advanced from "Hot Topic" to "Literally the Sun". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grievous40 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 I just can't see DE, a company which since the beginning has shown that this is the game they always wanted to make and that they would stand by it, selling out to another company. I will wait to hear DE's response, and hopefully it will come soon. DE PLEASE RESPOND!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hyperion- Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 WHAT WAS THE @(*()$ MISTAKE YOU NEVER TOLD IT TO ME! HOW CAN I KNOW I MADE A MISTAKE IF I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW IT WAS A MISTAKE! Woah. Calm down there bud. You can say the same thing with no caps/swearing and it'll seem a lot more respectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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