PeanutMonster Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) 20 ammo capacity? Really DE? You need AT LEAST that many cloud stacks to make the damage somewhat decent... It will need a huge buff in its damage. Edited August 9, 2014 by PeanutMonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Saske Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Could people please stop whining before the change even happened, just wait til wednesday. Rifle and Pistol Ammo isn't that rare and one pickup would give you max ammo, so yeah just wait and see, if it realy will break those weapons gameplay wise DE will fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) Could people please stop whining before the change even happened, just wait til wednesday. Rifle and Pistol Ammo isn't that rare and one pickup would give you max ammo, so yeah just wait and see, if it realy will break those weapons gameplay wise DE will fix that. Torid's damage is nowhere near to the damage of Penta or Ogris. I have 5 Formas installed on my Torid and still my Ogris without a single Forma does better. Nerfing the ammo capacity of Torid to 20 makes no sense to me. Edited August 9, 2014 by PeanutMonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 False. I have zero issue with the torid. It could use a bit of a buff and the cloud AOE could be larger but thats nothing multishot and a rank 4 heavy caliber can't solve. It tears through even T4 content. The ammo nerf was needed but Maybe 40 would be a bit more reasonable. Either way they all draw from the rifle ammo pool and thats stuff is everywhere. Its not that big a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arunafeltz Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 False. I have zero issue with the torid. It could use a bit of a buff and the cloud AOE could be larger but thats nothing multishot and a rank 4 heavy caliber can't solve. It tears through even T4 content. Can I see your build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I have a 5 forma Torid and its not bad But with the low ammo capacity its going to need some help to keep pace Its biggest saving grace is now gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Grizzlye- Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 MAKE THE GAS YELLOWISH SO IT LOOKS LIKE FAAAAART!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketec Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 all the heavy ammo capacity is now idiotic.on penta u get to shoot 4x 5 grenades and all out of ammo. angstrum - a few multi rocket charged shots and all out of ammo. and so on. its like you MUST use all the ammo auras and mods just to be able to last 1 wave in defense - which means heavy loss in damage/energy etc bonuses.All this does is buff rapid fire/rifle type weapons even more - and i don't like those weapons. They are boring and unoriginal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azamagon Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 While the Torid will be even worse now, the Spectra and Lato are still the indisputable champions of horribleness :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanjuju Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 False. I have zero issue with the torid. It could use a bit of a buff and the cloud AOE could be larger but thats nothing multishot and a rank 4 heavy caliber can't solve. It tears through even T4 content. The ammo nerf was needed but Maybe 40 would be a bit more reasonable. Either way they all draw from the rifle ammo pool and thats stuff is everywhere. Its not that big a deal. Is this a joke? The mechanics are broken. I'm annoyed that DE would even touch the Torid without even trying to fix it. Torid does not tear through T4 content. You can't argue that this weapon isn't broken. Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade343 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Is this a joke? The mechanics are broken. I'm annoyed that DE would even touch the Torid without even trying to fix it. Torid does not tear through T4 content. You can't argue that this weapon isn't broken. Nonsense. When did we start using T4 as a benchmark to say if a weapon is good? The MK-1 Braton cannot tear through T4 content. Does that mean it needs a buff as well just to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanjuju Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) When did we start using T4 as a benchmark to say if a weapon is good? The MK-1 Braton cannot tear through T4 content. Does that mean it needs a buff as well just to do it? At no point was the MK-1 Braton one of the most powerful weapons in the game. This is not a buff "just to do it"? Torid doesn't work the way its supposed to. The issue is that in Torid's case, the gas had always dealt the majority of the damage. That's how the weapon functioned. That's no longer true. The impact of the grenade does most of the damage and the gas is negligible. It's a joke. The mechanics are wrong despite the excellent feedback given by players. While Torid is Damage 2.0 Collateral, it can't be argued that damage 2.0 prevented DE from fixing broken mechanics. (continued) https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/286349-what-priority-is-balancing-really-given/ Edited August 9, 2014 by Seanjuju Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacobLittle Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 When did we start using T4 as a benchmark to say if a weapon is good? The MK-1 Braton cannot tear through T4 content. Does that mean it needs a buff as well just to do it? Well, technically, if you are Mirage with Intensity and Blind Rage, you can tear through T4 content with a rank 11 MK-1 Braton and cut down heavies in one slide swipe with Silva/Aegis at rank 15 which is what he may have done with Mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacobLittle Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Could people please stop whining before the change even happened, just wait til wednesday. Rifle and Pistol Ammo isn't that rare and one pickup would give you max ammo, so yeah just wait and see, if it realy will break those weapons gameplay wise DE will fix that. Have you actually used the Torid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 all the heavy ammo capacity is now idiotic. on penta u get to shoot 4x 5 grenades and all out of ammo. angstrum - a few multi rocket charged shots and all out of ammo. and so on. its like you MUST use all the ammo auras and mods just to be able to last 1 wave in defense - which means heavy loss in damage/energy etc bonuses. All this does is buff rapid fire/rifle type weapons even more - and i don't like those weapons. They are boring and unoriginal. Youre absolutely correct Under the assumption you never pick up ammo Is this a joke? The mechanics are broken. I'm annoyed that DE would even touch the Torid without even trying to fix it. Torid does not tear through T4 content. You can't argue that this weapon isn't broken. Nonsense. Heres an idea Lets step up the Hey fix the torid threads until they do Seems alot better than complaining here Ill even lead the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanjuju Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) Youre absolutely correct Under the assumption you never pick up ammo Heres an idea Lets step up the Hey fix the torid threads until they do Seems alot better than complaining here Ill even lead the way Way ahead of you. https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/286349-what-priority-is-balancing-really-given/ Edited August 9, 2014 by Seanjuju Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low1991 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Torid... it's time for you to go... buried... 5 feet under ground.... i mean... space... magic... You'r 100% useless in DPS but now you'r even much more useless with this new patch. BB! DE! it's time to scrap the torid data from WF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDayDan Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 MAKE THE GAS YELLOWISH SO IT LOOKS LIKE FAAAAART!! Thank you for your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 The Torid is apparently getting a buff to bring it up to "launcher standard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__Kanade__ Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Could people please stop whining before the change even happened, just wait til wednesday. Rifle and Pistol Ammo isn't that rare and one pickup would give you max ammo, so yeah just wait and see, if it realy will break those weapons gameplay wise DE will fix that. Whenever I use a rifle, I see mroe shotgun ammo drop than rifle ammo, but when I decide to use a shotgun, I see more rifle ammo drop than shotgun ammo. Been like that since day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low1991 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Whenever I use a rifle, I see mroe shotgun ammo drop than rifle ammo, but when I decide to use a shotgun, I see more rifle ammo drop than shotgun ammo. Been like that since day 1. EVEN ammo drop rate also affected by RNG. It's force is strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhisperByte Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 The Torid is apparently getting a buff to bring it up to "launcher standard" Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Source? Just a quick update from dev on some of the points being raised in this thread: More work to come, you've all raised good points. The Torid will get an additional pass to bring it up to 'launcher' par. The Snipetron family will be reviewed, as well as the Miter. As we make our way through these posts and the threads they link to, we will see what else is to come in this batch of balance passes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight053 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Torid will be buffed, this thread is invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
low1991 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Torid will be buffed, this thread is invalid. Pending for Sources/Link. Vaild till further proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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