PeanutMonster Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 Im still rockin gas elec on infested No issues It's the electricity doing majority of the damage, its damage is only reduced a bit by the Ancient Healers. They way how electricity arcs when it procs, it's also not affected by the AoE damage reduction of the Ancient Disrupters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pisirk Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 So what, light infested die fast no matter what you shoot them with. What is important is what the ancients are weak to. Exactly! The light units are so easy to kill, the real problem is all the crazy buffs the ancients give to each other, their buffs are sometimes just impossible.... Plus they grapple you which makes their job many times easier. It always goes like this: Grapple> Energy drain > S#&$ty dps> Huge swarm > Toxic death/swarm rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaSierraMike Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If you proc enough enemies affected by the damage resist aura, the ancient healer actually just falls over and die. I dunno why. Not the best way to kill them but it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 i thought some one would find it but ill step in thats toxin proc Gas procs AoE Toxin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Exactly! The light units are so easy to kill, the real problem is all the crazy buffs the ancients give to each other, their buffs are sometimes just impossible.... Plus they grapple you which makes their job many times easier. It always goes like this: Grapple> Energy drain > S#&$ty dps> Huge swarm > Toxic death/swarm rape. Focus on HP building Rage is helpful if you plan to stay close Melee gas with electric so if they do swarm you they cant do much if anything Life strike because itll save you If you proc enough enemies affected by the damage resist aura, the ancient healer actually just falls over and die. I dunno why. Not the best way to kill them but it works. I love killing healers without touching them Its hilarious Theyre also affected by procs You can literally stun lock them and kill them by attacking light infested with gas elec <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ArjunHarikumar Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Gas procs AoE Toxin. i know right i cant believe people believed me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 There is no point in bringing Gas weapons since there will be as many Ancients as light Infested units. Might as well kill everything with Corrosive since the light infested get annihilated by everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Mhj-sab Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Gas is indeed effective against infested, the thing is though, within a faction there are different units each with their own resistances/weaknesses. Sure the ancients can nullify GAS damage/procs but that doesn't change the fact that while their auras do so, without the auras the infested are for sure weak to gas, u just have to focus fire on the ancient and take down the aura, srsly... I don't see the big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 Gas is indeed effective against infested, the thing is though, within a faction there are different units each with their own resistances/weaknesses. Sure the ancients can nullify GAS damage/procs but that doesn't change the fact that while their auras do so, without the auras the infested are for sure weak to gas, u just have to focus fire on the ancient and take down the aura, srsly... I don't see the big deal. Light infested are also weak to Fire. Fire damage will only get reduced by the Ancient healers. Now tell me a one good reason why should I use Gas over Fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 There is no point in bringing Gas weapons since there will be as many Ancients as light Infested units. Might as well kill everything with Corrosive since the light infested get annihilated by everything. Really though Gas is king of infested Maybe fire can take second place A close second Elec is probably better honestly Gas is indeed effective against infested, the thing is though, within a faction there are different units each with their own resistances/weaknesses. Sure the ancients can nullify GAS damage/procs but that doesn't change the fact that while their auras do so, without the auras the infested are for sure weak to gas, u just have to focus fire on the ancient and take down the aura, srsly... I don't see the big deal. ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Mhj-sab Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I'm not here to do a proper-building-101, the topic is about gas and how it affects infested, I don't see why u add fire to the mix ´-´ u wanna use fire, use fire, I'd rather use Corrosive+fire if u ask me and I'm not here changing the topic, which is GAS element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) Really though Gas is king of infested Maybe fire can take second place A close second Elec is probably better honestly Fire is superior to Gas. You can take light AND heavy infested down with it. Edited September 6, 2014 by PeanutMonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ArjunHarikumar Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) since there are more variety of light infested gas is pretty good for majority thats what de means by that Edited September 6, 2014 by (PS4)IIIDevoidIII Language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhoyzu Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 its SUPER strong versus tenno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 since there are more variety of light infested gas is pretty good for majority thats what de means by that More variety doesn't mean that they spawn more often. Usually in survival and defense there tend to be more ancients after playing 10 minutes/waves. its SUPER strong versus tenno. Yep, and it should be as strong against all the infested as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Mhj-sab Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 What people didn't quite understand is that there's a difference between INFESTED (the units) and INFESTATION (the faction)Infestation has 4 ranksInfestedFleshFossilizedSinewGas is effective against INFESTED. It is not stated anywhere that it is effective against Fossilized ancients and their auras ´-´ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulEchelon Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 There is no point in bringing Gas weapons since there will be as many Ancients as light Infested units. Might as well kill everything with Corrosive since the light infested get annihilated by everything. Does not matter. The tooltip is correct no matter how many times you sit there and scream bloody murder. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_2.0 Read it, and sit down. Gas is best at killing infested. The tooltip DID NOT state ancient infested. It stated Infested. Not only that, Gas is the only element sans Fire that is strong against two separate types of Infested: Infested and Infested Flesh. Which means, it is the best element to kill infested in general on paper, since it does the most damage to more than just one type of infested. That's what the tooltip was about. That's what DE was trying to convey. Is it the best combination? No. But is it the best element that does the most damage to the largest amount of Infested? Yes. I agree that Ancients can be more dangerous in more situations. However Gas is still the best thing to use on most other types of Infested and thus the best element for a general Infested mission. Just because Gas procs a toxin cloud does not mean it's not viable, since that Toxin cloud can help in stopping Infested from swarming you. The main problem here is not that you're offering a better combination of elements, but that you're arguing that DE is wrong about their own game and its own stats. I suggest eating a slice of humble pie and change the title of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) What people didn't quite understand is that there's a difference between INFESTED (the units) and INFESTATION (the faction) Infestation has 4 ranks Infested Flesh Fossilized Sinew Gas is effective against INFESTED. It is not stated anywhere that it is effective against Fossilized ancients and their auras ´-´ If looked from that perspective, the description is indeed true. But it doesn't change the fact that gas is bad in general. Edited September 6, 2014 by PeanutMonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) Does not matter. The tooltip is correct no matter how many times you sit there and scream bloody murder. http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Damage_2.0 Read it, and sit down. Gas is best at killing infested. The tooltip DID NOT state ancient infested. It stated Infested. Not only that, Gas is the only element sans Fire that is strong against two separate types of Infested: Infested and Infested Flesh. Which means, it is the best element to kill infested in general on paper, since it does the most damage to more than just one type of infested. That's what the tooltip was about. That's what DE was trying to convey. Is it the best combination? No. But is it the best element that does the most damage to the largest amount of Infested? Yes. I agree that Ancients can be more dangerous in more situations. However Gas is still the best thing to use on most other types of Infested and thus the best element for a general Infested mission. Just because Gas procs a toxin cloud does not mean it's not viable, since that Toxin cloud can help in stopping Infested from swarming you. The main problem here is not that you're offering a better combination of elements, but that you're arguing that DE is wrong about their own game and its own stats. I suggest eating a slice of humble pie and change the title of this thread. Taking Corrosive + fire is just much more practical. You don't have to worry about switching weapons because you can spray through everything. I changed the title 15 minutes ago. Edited September 6, 2014 by PeanutMonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 What people didn't quite understand is that there's a difference between INFESTED (the units) and INFESTATION (the faction) Infestation has 4 ranks Infested Flesh Fossilized Sinew Gas is effective against INFESTED. It is not stated anywhere that it is effective against Fossilized ancients and their auras ´-´ It also gets a bonus versus flesh, and no infestation units resist it. Plus AoE is good versus grouped enemies. If you're shooting into a vortex full of healers, no matter what kind of AoE you're hitting with the damage will be zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) Fire is superior to Gas. You can take light AND heavy infested down with it. Id like to remind you that both gas and elec proc AoE Infested tend to bunch up Thats where the real damage is Paper numbers arent going to win anything here Edited September 6, 2014 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutMonster Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 It also gets a bonus versus flesh, and no infestation units resist it. Toxic Ancients apply the 90% damage resistance to themselves as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Mhj-sab Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) Now, on building to fight ANY faction u're gonna pick the elemental combos and modding focusing on the units that are more of a problem.It is why most people run on the standard Corrosive+fire, but u can run Corrosive+blast and get some more damage against fossilized units, it's all about personal choice, u could run a Corrosive+gas too and there u have it: bonus damage to Fossilized ancients AND higher damage to infested units (Gas does more bonus damage to Infested than FIRE) Edited September 6, 2014 by (PS4)Mhj-sab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKhaun Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think the disconnect here is that Peanut Monster is taking it for granted that they are meant to be using one weapon and shooting everything equally at the same time... If we're talking about an Ignis build, yeah, Gas would not be my first choice. If I'm going to use an assault rifle or shotgun and I'm grouped with someone else using a semi-auto or a sniper rifle, I'll probably go Gas and let them pick off the ancients. Maybe something corrosive/heat on swap in case they're not around. Or maybe I could roll with a gas melee weapon and anti-ancient pistol. etc. etc. This thread is just a testament to how badly we need structure like tactical alerts. No one has this discussion when they can only bring 500 conclave. They stack corrosive / heat and hit regular infested for less than they want to, or they have to give up more in other areas to do the damage they want to, so they turn to their friend and say... you take the ugly ones!... Welcome to co-op 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Now, on building to fight ANY faction u're gonna pick the elemental combos and modding focusing on the units that are more of a problem. It is why most people run on the standard Corrosive+fire, but u can run Corrosive+blast and get some more damage against fossilized units, it's all about personal choice, u could run a Corrosive+gas too and there u have it: bonus damage to Fossilized ancients AND higher damage to infested units (Gas does more bonus damage to Infested than FIRE) Corrosive gas isnt possible except with certain corrosive based weapons like the Tysis and Stug sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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