-ZeroStar- Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I generally LOVE PvP. Makes a game so much more fun to play against another player. However, I tried it in WF for the first time today. In a conclave... The entire team was Ash's and/or perma-invis Loki's ... That's not fun, that's not skill, that's taking advantage of something broken and nothing more. I've played PvP in almost every MMO for the past 15 years. Never have I seen any PvP match so ridiculous!! There's NO point in PvP if all you can do is run around and HOPE to kill them before they sneak up on you... That's just pointless! I'm sure there are lots of other posts like this, still had to put my word in. If anyone replies, do not suggest I just get myself an Ash to PvP with... That does not address the issue whatsoever. Don't suggest that their skill is just higher than mine, there is NO skill in just staying invisible and all taking out one player at a time... Just the fact that there is a way to 'one-shot' ANY player just means the system is HORRIDLY unbalanced... For the first time I don't like PvP in a game, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherIcarus Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) The PvP has probably many months of work until it is balanced. All I can say is #PvEproblems Edited September 7, 2014 by BrotherIcarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)darkblast81 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 be mean get a trinity and use link thats what i would do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegpoidBeetle Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 be mean get a trinity and use link thats what i would do Say would that work against Blade Storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZombiezRGr8 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I have to say the PvP in Solar Rail Conflicts is better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakshal Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) That is not how the majority of conclave matches go. Then again I don't know how other people play on other regions but in the NA servers the majority of people play fair. Oh, and Ash is fair game unless your using abilities. Here is how most conclave matches go (in terms of fair players). Edited September 7, 2014 by Rakshal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleesus Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 So what do you suggest to improve it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFIRE Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 i use my zephyr in conclave <.<, i tail wind to knockdown the enemy and then i "sniper-shoot" them with my paris prime in mid-air,and if they're not dead,i use zephyr 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFIRE Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I have to say the PvP in Solar Rail Conflicts is better.... also SO MUCH THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakshal Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) I have to say the PvP in Solar Rail Conflicts is better.... Sorry, but no. Just no. Edited September 7, 2014 by Rakshal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xkillo32 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Say would that work against Blade Storm? nope ash is invincible during blade storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Talia. Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I have to say the PvP in Solar Rail Conflicts is better.... lol, no. Solar Rail conflicts is just about spamming overpowered abilities and exploiting cheap tactics. There is barely any skill involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegpoidBeetle Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 nope ash is invincible during blade storm Well this makes Ash with Fleeting+Streamline a problem in Solar Rail Conflicts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faulcun Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) Come play with us. Fusion supports PvP, and we do it without taking the easy choices. Edited September 7, 2014 by Faulcun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev7n Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Pvp has been broken since the first day it was implemented. You can follow certain rules / guidelines to help try to balance the fights somewhat but you will be required to form a team of people you know and trust for that to actually work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompido Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Come play with us. Fusion supports PvP, and we do it without taking the easy choices. without taking the easy choices? I watched few minutes of that video. you guys are not very experienced in conclaves at all. so explain whats the "easy" choice. I would like to hear what you think is an easy choice and why. and to not derail the thread just PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev7n Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Pvp balancing has been happening but it doesnt happen as often as pve. (pve is always going to have higher priority in this game) + cant be easy trying to balance 20+ frames each with completely different skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LascarCapable Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Thread cleaned. All affirmations about "DE won't balance PvP" are just bad rumors. It already happened in the past, and it has no reason to not happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubbertubtub01 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 DE should balance PvP because it is one of the things that keeps many players playing. Reflex guard shouldn't work and melee shouldn't stagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubbertubtub01 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 without taking the easy choices? I watched few minutes of that video. you guys are not very experienced in conclaves at all. so explain whats the "easy" choice. I would like to hear what you think is an easy choice and why. and to not derail the thread just PM me. 100% agreed Rompido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibliothekar Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 IMO, the main problem Warframe has with PvP, is that was crowbared in at a later stage of the game after demands from the player-base. (At least that's how I understand it. Feel free to correct me, but please do provide sources.) So we have quite a number of abilities that work for PvE, but will never for PvP. Invisibility is one thing, abilities that make you invulnerable like Hysteria or Blessing 1.0 are another. Support and CC frames with no real damage abilities like Nyx will always have a hard time against others. (I'm still trying to figure out what Chaos does to other players ... if it does anything at all.) So because this game was initially build all around PvE and they didn't even consider to put in PvP, all "balancing" will be like covering a broken leg with a plaster strip. How do you want to bring balance to PvP when people can go there e.g. with Rhino, maxed Redirection, maxed Vitality, maxed Steel Fiber, maybe even maxed Vigor on top and just tank away everyone else? Or already massively overpowered weapons that you can slap another 500-600% damage on? Damage multipliers of 0.whatever for weapons again are just a band-aid solution. They shouldn't allow the numbers to go through the roof like that in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onemoonlight Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Tbh i thought pvp in this game would have more of a set balance, rather than a farm based one. As in a preset of frames and weapons that you choose from, only for pvp and balanced for pvp, non levelable etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elele Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Support and CC frames with no real damage abilities like Nyx will always have a hard time against others. Oh Nyx's absorb is OP as hell. You see a Nyx, you close in to attack, Nyx goes into absorb. If you're in the middle of an attack animation (say, ground slam), you're guaranteed to get hurt AND get knocked down. Any time you attack, Nyx just goes into absorb (works better with Rage) and knocks you down. Also, Rhino is weak as wet noodles. If I see an Ash, Saryn, Nyx, I run away. But Rhino? He's almost as weak as Oberon. An even cheaper tactic is to just sit in the absorb state at a chokepoint. All those stupid creeps will attack the Nyx mindlessly and she'd have a huge charge. If you try to get past the chokepoint, you're as good as dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibliothekar Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Oh Nyx's absorb is OP as hell. And how about Mind Control and Chaos? Especially when targeting other players with those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDHOOOD Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I actually don't have a problem with nyx. I just focus her down with rifle fire... Oh Nyx's absorb is OP as hell. You see a Nyx, you close in to attack, Nyx goes into absorb. If you're in the middle of an attack animation (say, ground slam), you're guaranteed to get hurt AND get knocked down. Any time you attack, Nyx just goes into absorb (works better with Rage) and knocks you down. Also, Rhino is weak as wet noodles. If I see an Ash, Saryn, Nyx, I run away. But Rhino? He's almost as weak as Oberon. An even cheaper tactic is to just sit in the absorb state at a chokepoint. All those stupid creeps will attack the Nyx mindlessly and she'd have a huge charge. If you try to get past the chokepoint, you're as good as dead. Why would you go close to nyx? Why not just shoot her from afar and make her waste he absorb? If she comes close, roll away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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