akira_him Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Well, if you are happy with a copy-paste solution I guess. It is preferable to keeping it as it is now after all. However, I still believe that spicing up her kit with a new non-PBAoE is the ideal solution.The new ruk has the same skill tooThe fact is that ruk uses almost the same kit as ember and works perfectly against players who face him for the first time although it is copy&paste, it is totally acceptable and reasonable in terms of lore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 He also has a flamethrower ability, which to me seems a whole lot more fun to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinKenshin Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 He also has a flamethrower ability, which to me seems a whole lot more fun to have. this is a good idea but it'll just be another ignis, though like I said it'll be an awesome and good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malikon Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I had been stewing on a rework of fireblast to be a targeted ring of fire that any mob that walked across the ring got a guaranteed heat proc, and any non-elite/non-robotic mobs walking into the ring was trapped there. I've been kinda chewing on suggesting that enemies trapped inside the ring take increased damage from all sources. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinryusai Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Learn to dodge What does this have to do with anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) What does this have to do with anything? People complain that shes too slow as if she cant avoid fire in close range or CC stun enemies while burning their corpses She can Extra speed would only be used for rushing and would offer little else to the frame that she doesnt already have Edited October 19, 2014 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinryusai Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 People complain that shes too slow as if she cant avoid fire in close range or CC stun enemies while burning their corpses She can Extra speed would only be used for rushing and would offer little else to the frame that she doesnt already have You only see the negative in everything. More speed shall allow her to keep up More speed shall allow her to make better use out of World of Fire which depends on movement speed for best use when mobile. You seem so worried about her rushing yet forget copter Embers which invalidates your argument. All more speed shall do is make her move at a better pace especially with her alt. Moving slow won't prevent rushing. Well, time to copter more with World On Fire now :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolake Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 She is 'damager' class with mediocre damage, useless outside of normal levels (pretty bad even for mid levels unless you have all the mods). Basically a failed design. . Sure she could use some stats buffs, but it wont change the main issue with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobWasHere Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Add % armor ignore to abilities, change fireblast to something else (enemies are not going into ring after you cast it), and ember will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 You only see the negative in everything. More speed shall allow her to keep up More speed shall allow her to make better use out of World of Fire which depends on movement speed for best use when mobile. You seem so worried about her rushing yet forget copter Embers which invalidates your argument. All more speed shall do is make her move at a better pace especially with her alt. Moving slow won't prevent rushing. Well, time to copter more with World On Fire now :) Youre adding to the issue and contradicting yourself there More speed doesnt solve embers problems and doesnt give her anything Shes faster or equal than more than half the frames in game and most of the ones that are faster than her cant kill nearly as well while remaining mobile Next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicagemo Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I had been stewing on a rework of fireblast to be a targeted ring of fire that any mob that walked across the ring got a guaranteed heat proc, and any non-elite/non-robotic mobs walking into the ring was trapped there. I've been kinda chewing on suggesting that enemies trapped inside the ring take increased damage from all sources. Thoughts? Theory talking: You would have to be a cowboy to get the benefits of the ring damage bonus. Depending on the damage bonus, it would either scale really well toward end game, or it would be not worth it as all mobs die rather quickly in the early levels with a full powered build. It is a buff, but doesn't feel like it solves her issues that people have mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinryusai Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Youre adding to the issue and contradicting yourself there More speed doesnt solve embers problems and doesnt give her anything Shes faster or equal than more than half the frames in game and most of the ones that are faster than her cant kill nearly as well while remaining mobile Next Nope, didn't say anything about solving her issue. What I did do was agree with someone else on a speed boost. And plenty of those warframes can however cast while in motion and even in midair and are faster. So you basically wasted your time responding about whether speed boost would solve her issue since this wasn't about that. What this is about is moving faster with WoF... The Accelerant energy cut suggestion I made was however meant to help solve her issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Nope, didn't say anything about solving her issue. What I did do was agree with someone else on a speed boost. And plenty of those warframes can however cast while in motion and even in midair and are faster. So you basically wasted your time responding about whether speed boost would solve her issue since this wasn't about that. What this is about is moving faster with WoF... The Accelerant energy cut suggestion I made was however meant to help solve her issue... Speed wont help in the slightest All its for is more rushing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktriaz Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Speed wont help in the slightest All its for is more rushing Ugh... if people want a warframe that can rush, they go with Loki or Zephyr... I suggested Ember be as fast as Ash, who is still not the fastest warframe. People don't play Ash because he's got some decent speed, they play him because of his abilities. Okay, you've seem to be okay with spending a lot of time and energy arguing against my post and various other people, with most of it just being a big fat "No, that won't work" from you, maybe try to suggest what would help Ember. Instead of being a blight on this thread, how about trying to add something to the discussion, aka, be a little more constructive. I created this thread because I believe that Ember is in need of some love, and while people keep arguing over stuff like bringing back overheat, or removing fire blast, I decided to take a neutral ground and said her main stats could use a little "umph", to help her typical playstyle. (stuff like speed would help WoF be more useful) If you're dead-set against speed or any base stat increase, please suggest what would make Ember more useful. Otherwise, your contribution is not needed. Edited October 21, 2014 by Actriaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlordMcGeek Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 she is suppose to be a glass cannon so low stats yay! she does need some love with her abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Ugh... if people want a warframe that can rush, they go with Loki or Zephyr... I suggested Ember be as fast as Ash, who is still not the fastest warframe. People don't play Ash because he's got some decent speed, they play him because of his abilities. Okay, you've seem to be okay with spending a lot of time and energy arguing against my post and various other people, with most of it just being a big fat "No, that won't work" from you, maybe try to suggest what would help Ember. Instead of being a blight on this thread, how about trying to add something to the discussion, aka, be a little more constructive. I created this thread because I believe that Ember is in need of some love, and while people keep arguing over stuff like bringing back overheat, or removing fire blast, I decided to take a neutral ground and said her main stats could use a little "umph", to help her typical playstyle. (stuff like speed would help WoF be more useful) If you're dead-set against speed or any base stat increase, please suggest what would make Ember more useful. Otherwise, your contribution is not needed. >tells me to be constructive >Right after calling me a blight on this thread Yeah Good one I guess having a valid point doesnt matter When people want to rush theyll use that frame they can press 4 to kill Remember the frame that was most used to rush right next to loki before a rework? Nova Point invalid And while im being a blight ill take it a step further Please get off your high horse and check out the multiple suggestions ive made on multiple threads since you know so much about what ive posted or at least know me by one post or your contribution si just bumping your post count Making WoF into a toggle leaves you more than enough room to add rush to your build The solution is there Learn to dodge I wouldnt mind the lower cost but again Making WoF into a toggle helps this greatly Changing fire blast to the eximus version or giving it a healthy range increase would solve the issue Thank you and goodbye Edited October 22, 2014 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktriaz Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 >tells me to be constructive >Right after calling me a blight on this thread Yeah Good one I guess having a valid point doesnt matter When people want to rush theyll use that frame they can press 4 to kill Remember the frame that was most used to rush right next to loki before a rework? Nova Point invalid And while im being a blight ill take it a step further Please get off your high horse and check out the multiple suggestions ive made on multiple threads since you know so much about what ive posted or at least know me by one post or your contribution si just bumping your post count Thank you and goodbye While I'm getting off my high-horse, please read again, because I never said you were not being constructive, I was saying you should be MORE constructive. You spent a good amount of time arguing with people over whether speed is good or not, much more time then you were suggesting things. If people don't agree with your opinion, don't continue to try to shove it down their throats. It should not be an argument of "right or wrong", rather "would this ruin your experience playing as Ember, or being in a game with Ember?" A simple yes or no question. Really. It's a PvE game. This buff doesn't clear entire maps like Nova could, so what's the actual problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traybong111 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) If DE for some reason absolutely refuses to give Ember a permanent speed boost I think Accelerant should give her a slight speed boost, because, you know, it just sounds like it should. WoF's blast should really have a small AoE that can stun or stumble nearby enemies. The 3 target cap is a joke at medium-to-high levels, but with the blast having some AoE it'd give her much-needed CC capability. (Accelerant is nice but I don't think it's enough.) And Fireblast...I don't even know what to do with it. Give it a knockback like the Eximus version at least?? Edited October 22, 2014 by traybong111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinryusai Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Ugh... if people want a warframe that can rush, they go with Loki or Zephyr... I suggested Ember be as fast as Ash, who is still not the fastest warframe. People don't play Ash because he's got some decent speed, they play him because of his abilities. Okay, you've seem to be okay with spending a lot of time and energy arguing against my post and various other people, with most of it just being a big fat "No, that won't work" from you, maybe try to suggest what would help Ember. Instead of being a blight on this thread, how about trying to add something to the discussion, aka, be a little more constructive. I created this thread because I believe that Ember is in need of some love, and while people keep arguing over stuff like bringing back overheat, or removing fire blast, I decided to take a neutral ground and said her main stats could use a little "umph", to help her typical playstyle. (stuff like speed would help WoF be more useful) If you're dead-set against speed or any base stat increase, please suggest what would make Ember more useful. Otherwise, your contribution is not needed. The soul purpose of his existence is to deny everyone their wish, their ideas, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinryusai Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Speed wont help in the slightest All its for is more rushing Well, it ain't worth discussing this with you. All you see is people rushing and allowing it to blind your judgement. if it were up to you, all warframes would be turtles(not even the Ninja variety) and no warframe would ever go fast or use copter ever again. You'd also remove the momentum from "butt sliding" and wouldn't bother with air dash or if you would make it VERY costly. When your done, there won't be any form of rushing and this won't any longer be a fast paced game, it shall be a slow paced game. And rather call them Space Ninjas, you'll either call them Space Turtles or Space Spartans. So how warm am I? :) Next you'll say to go play Sonic if I want speed. Anyway, folks. Just remember that speed and mobile flames of her ultimate go hand in hand leaving a trail of corpses and the dev team much remember this as it's the key to getting the most out of the mobility of World On Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akira_him Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 The soul purpose of his existence is to deny everyone their wish, their ideas, etc.Check his name , it is a Japanese word and you will find why he is doing so.BTW I do agree his statement, it is always good to have status buff, but it does little to her problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azawarau Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) While I'm getting off my high-horse, please read again, because I never said you were not being constructive, I was saying you should be MORE constructive. You spent a good amount of time arguing with people over whether speed is good or not, much more time then you were suggesting things. If people don't agree with your opinion, don't continue to try to shove it down their throats. It should not be an argument of "right or wrong", rather "would this ruin your experience playing as Ember, or being in a game with Ember?" A simple yes or no question. Really. It's a PvE game. This buff doesn't clear entire maps like Nova could, so what's the actual problem? Youre hardly being constructive yourself Im getting the point clear across that speed isnt going to help ember Itll cause more problems than solutions and much better solutions are out there Well, it ain't worth discussing this with you. All you see is people rushing and allowing it to blind your judgement. if it were up to you, all warframes would be turtles(not even the Ninja variety) and no warframe would ever go fast or use copter ever again. You'd also remove the momentum from "butt sliding" and wouldn't bother with air dash or if you would make it VERY costly. When your done, there won't be any form of rushing and this won't any longer be a fast paced game, it shall be a slow paced game. And rather call them Space Ninjas, you'll either call them Space Turtles or Space Spartans. So how warm am I? :) Next you'll say to go play Sonic if I want speed. Anyway, folks. Just remember that speed and mobile flames of her ultimate go hand in hand leaving a trail of corpses and the dev team much remember this as it's the key to getting the most out of the mobility of World On Fire. Well you seem to be the worst mind reader in the game Aside from your derailing and mudlsinging Adding speed is going to be nova all over again Making WoF into a toggle is a better solution all around Check his name , it is a Japanese word and you will find why he is doing so. BTW I do agree his statement, it is always good to have status buff, but it does little to her problem Im not a troll! My friends gave me that name because i liked to tease people Also that guy is just being straight dumb Ive +1d many great ideas on the forums I dont agree with one so i must hate everything That kind of thinking is why i often say this forum has the worst community of any ive ever visited People cant take critisizm without being overly offended Edited October 22, 2014 by Azawarau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kratos Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Throw the Fire Eximus's Fire Blast on Ember and I'll be more than happy to revisit her. (Cause what Warframe is inferior to an eximus? *cough*frostandember*cough*) Edited October 22, 2014 by Rarityframe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinKenshin Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 That kind of thinking is why i often say this forum has the worst community of any ive ever visited People cant take critisizm without being overly offended well, there are some good people in this forum, but yet again the bad are way more than the good.......but what did you except from people anyway XD as for ember, a speed boost wouldn't hurt her....you say she'll be another nova but what if she's between nova and normal speed warframes (ex excalibur) so buffing her will help......not much but it's still helping, and I'm not really good in english but can you explain what WoF toggle means? also a change in her abilities wouldn't hurt either, the arctic eximus creates a mini snow globe while frost can create a bigger one, so why not make the opposite with ember....the arson eximus makes like a +30m fire blast....why not make ember do a 15m fire blast then the normal current ring.....so normal current ring will stay at it's place while part of it creates a mini-arson eximus fire blast and please don't fight......ember wouldn't want that ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunfaiz Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Hell, I would be happy with just the movement speed boost, I feel like I'm trying to run through quicksand every time I use her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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