Doughalo2 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Argon is not a welcomed resource DE, I have seen players leave because of it, and every player counts ! because we all support you, but alot more people are fed up because of things like argon, and 500 oxium for a boomerang and kubrow statis not being instant. Making us take longer to farm things and wait around, takes the fun out of this beautiful game, mod packs (apart from new players who may buy them) are much to over priced for what they give you, plus its random, if they were even 5 plat you would probably make more money off them XD. But often what you think will make money, especially trying to keep us playing to farm resources, will most of the time cause us to be fed up and stop playing, head my warning and take it from almost the entire fanbase, if things don't change... Warframe WILL die much, much too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 This game is based around grind and RNG, not just with these resources If people don't like that, they don't like the game simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Saske Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Sry i don't see any problems with the points you stated above. That's part of the game, so you kind of have to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinKenshin Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 just don't try to farmI just play around in jupiter and get a lot of neural sensors, I play the syndicate alerts in earth and always end up with a kubrow egg.....etc so don't try to find the resources/mods, just play for FUN and it'll come to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastikator2 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 This game is based around grind and RNG, not just with these resources If people don't like that, they don't like the game simples Option 1: nobody likes the game and it dies Option 2: Change the game so people like it. Yeah option 1 is the clear winner here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Argon isn't hard to get. Defence and survival will nab you at least 1 90% of the time. Barring that just search every locker and treasure room you can find on MD or capture. You're making some pretty bold claims OP. "head my warning and take it from almost the entire fanbase" Slow down turbo! The grind in WF is really not that bad. There are a few bad offenders and some tweaking to do but for the most part its definitely not the doomsday situation you are making it out to be. I grab most of the stuff I will ever need just by playing and having fun. Multitasking helps as well. leveling a weapon? Know you will need some argon or have a prime part your looking for? Level the weapon in the relevant mission and you can kill two birds with one stone. Edited November 4, 2014 by StinkyPygmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimir Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Oxium is far worse than Argon. I can easily get 2-3 Argon Crystals in just 10 minutes soloing T1 Survivial with Nekros. Oxium on the other hand is required by the literal ton (look at Halikar costs) and only drops from an enemy that self-destructs to deny you the drop and in even if it does drop it is just like 2 Oxium on average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kachocalvo Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I've heard the "warframe is dying because grind makes players leave" since month 6 of open beta, a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecapitatingJim Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Argon is pretty easy to get. I got 17 a few days ago because I was running void. I wasn't even looking for crystals, I was speedrunning captures and exterminates for the credits. I've heard the "warframe is dying because grind makes players leave" since month 6 of open beta, a year ago. ^ Pretty much this. People have been sounding doom for Warframe for well over a year. Despite it still being in the top 20 of Steams most played games since release to open beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Option 1: nobody likes the game and it dies Option 2: Change the game so people like it. Yeah option 1 is the clear winner here This implies the players leaving are not a small minority. People have been saying "grind is gonna kill this game" since people started playing it. Look where we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowhawk Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 If by argon you mean oxium..and by leave you mean pay plat...yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegpoidBeetle Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 By Wave 10 in T1 Defense you oughta get an average of 3 Argon Crystals. If any item in the game starts to ask for more than 6 Argon Crystals then that's probably the right time to rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lypiphera Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 How about DE gives you everything, all unlocked and max level, now what? Guess there is no other option than to play the game with what you have... Wait you can do that now! Just play the game and work towards what you need. Argon can be frustrating to get (RNG can be against us), only to farm and get 1 out of 2 but disappears before you get another (or it magically turns into 5). Oxium is a slow grind, thank goodness for the 300 oxium alerts or just paying platinum for them (go farm vaults and sell the mods). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSpite Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 * Most items are 2-3 Argon. * You prep an item you want that needs Argon, so you have everything but the Argon. * You run a handful of Void missions till you have the Argon. (Loot Detector and Master Thief help loads) * You start making the item. * ... profit? Because my team would not stop running missions, I ended up with 17 Argon that night, and actually started building a bunch of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastikator2 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 This implies the players leaving are not a small minority. People have been saying "grind is gonna kill this game" since people started playing it. Look where we are now. A great many clans have reported their member list is a huge list of "signed in 300 days ago". If people weren't leaving then "new player" experience wouldn't be such a huge focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 A great many clans have reported their member list is a huge list of "signed in 300 days ago". If people weren't leaving then "new player" experience wouldn't be such a huge focus. Yes, because I'm sure all of those people left solely because of a bit of grind The new player focus was because the existing experience for new players was trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastikator2 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Yes, because I'm sure all of those people left solely because of a bit of grind The new player focus was because the existing experience for new players was trash Everyone I know that left did it because of the grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ePilgrim Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) I'm completely dumb-founded by the idea of "leaving Warframe because of Argon". Void runs are always useful... for credits or prime parts for a later loadout or even just to keep your Forma Furnace cooking. Edited November 4, 2014 by ePilgrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkSpectre Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Argon is not a welcomed resource DE, I have seen players leave because of it, and every player counts ! because we all support you, but alot more people are fed up because of things like argon, and 500 oxium for a boomerang and kubrow statis not being instant. Argon is fine, and I doubt anyone has left because of it. Its easy to farm, you just go get it when you need it since it decays. I will admit, that with the removal of the mobile defense on Baal it is harder to get, but that one reason isn't justification for leaving so I doubt its true. As far as kubrow stasis goes, I think the devs were looking at a solution for that, but even if they weren't, this is again a really poor excuse for leaving, leading me to believe the people are not actually leaving because of it. Also, not every player supports DE, they may play, but only people that buy plat are actually supporting DE in the literal sense(But this is just nitpicking and is going a little off topic). I know keeping the free player player base up is important, but again, I don't believe people are leaving the game for the reasons you stated. Argon is easy, Oxium is aggravating but managable and Kubrows are still a work in progress. The game is still in heavy development there are kinks, and DE responds to community feedback. But the OP also is blowing things WAY out of proportion. If anything people are leaving because they get burnt out, find another game they like more or get tired of the grind/repetition. What DE needs to do is focus on more replayable gameplay that players want to keep going back to purely for the sake of fun rather than farming/grinding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Everyone I know that left did it because of the grind. Everyone you know must make up the majority of everyone who left then, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndantony Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Actually, we have had some posts not too long ago asking to have more use for argon, like making it a required resource for more item built, and that they had too many argon crystals sitting around. Edited November 4, 2014 by ndantony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastikator2 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Everyone you know must make up the majority of everyone who left then, right? Oh no, I don't know the majority of everyone. I know literally everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisa Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I simply adore how people can assume their experiences with prng must be a universal trend in this game. For some of us it's not uncommon to burn through half a dozen keys without finding a single argon crystal. An yes I main Nekros. And yes I open all of the lockers and break all of the boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitchrea Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 If you are playing for grind rather than playing for fun, you are playing videogames wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arunafeltz Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Argon wouldn't be that horrible if there was a Void Assassinate I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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