Morec0 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Archwing can't get better if it keeps getting ignored. It NEEDS to be updated, and this idea is a great way to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorez Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 ... I don't understand this thread... I mean... I don't understand ... What does op mean? This happens a lot with nova prime avatar users with low posts. Just smile and pretend you understand what they're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Archwing can't get better if it keeps getting ignored. It NEEDS to be updated, and this idea is a great way to do so. Getting more attention does NOT require Archwing to be forcefully integrated into all normal missions. Being integrated into some normal missions isn't a requirement for it getting updated either. DE can focus on archwing without being required to throw archwing into regular missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Getting more attention does NOT require Archwing to be forcefully integrated into all normal missions. Being integrated into some normal missions isn't a requirement for it getting updated either. DE can focus on archwing without being required to throw archwing into regular missions. And it wont be integrated into all normal missions, hell the fact that Uranus is getting updated before Sharkwing's released says that it wont even be a part of all missions in that (which is sad, imo). People have been demanding this transition ever since Archwing was released. Why? Because it is FREAKIN' COOL and would be hella fun! I'm not saying that it IS a requirement, and I still say that they need to focus at least a straight 3-5 updates on Archwing only, I'm only saying that it would help - because that means more variety in the missions, that means more fun. And more fun means more players buy into it, and more money for DE means more for it. It's at where Warframe started, only its having to compete with seven other things at a time for attention and dev resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzkyl Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Getting more attention does NOT require Archwing to be forcefully integrated into all normal missions. Being integrated into some normal missions isn't a requirement for it getting updated either. DE can focus on archwing without being required to throw archwing into regular missions. There's no reason fro AW to not be integrated into normal mission as it opens the floodgates for new ideas and gameplay.At this point AW needs some definite polish but down the road it has to be integrated into the main game so it doesn't seem like a side mission or something separate entirely like pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 There's no reason fro AW to not be integrated into normal mission as it opens the floodgates for new ideas and gameplay.At this point AW needs some definite polish but down the road it has to be integrated into the main game so it doesn't seem like a side mission or something separate entirely like pvp. The reason is mission diversity and player options. That's the reason. The same way PvP shouldn't be integrated into all PvE missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) And it wont be integrated into all normal missions, hell the fact that Uranus is getting updated before Sharkwing's released says that it wont even be a part of all missions in that (which is sad, imo). People have been demanding this transition ever since Archwing was released. Why? Because it is FREAKIN' COOL and would be hella fun! I'm not saying that it IS a requirement, and I still say that they need to focus at least a straight 3-5 updates on Archwing only, I'm only saying that it would help - because that means more variety in the missions, that means more fun. And more fun means more players buy into it, and more money for DE means more for it. It's at where Warframe started, only its having to compete with seven other things at a time for attention and dev resources. I think you need to remember that "FREAKIN' COOL" and "fun" are subjective opinions and not objective facts. I am all for there being dual Archwing - non-Archwing missions. Just not being integrated into ALL of them. That's all. Edited March 28, 2015 by AntoineFlemming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) The reason is mission diversity and player options. That's the reason. The same way PvP shouldn't be integrated into all PvE missions. That's the keyword, all. I never said it should be integrated into all (though I, personally, wouldn't be against the idea of a Archwing planet). cozzi never said it should be integrated into all. Only some, only here and there. It would be AWESOME. I think you need to remember that "FREAKIN' COOL" and "fun" are subjective opinions and not objective facts. I am all for there being dual Archwing - non-Archwing missions. Just not being integrated into ALL of them. That's all. I never disagreed with that. Edited March 28, 2015 by Morec0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iapetus Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) How is completing a normal mission and then immidiately taking off into space to do an archwing mission any different from completing a normal mission and then starting an archwing mission from the Liset normally? If this becomes a thing, it will get boring really quickly (edit: in fact, it will become tedious). Can't you see it? Edited March 28, 2015 by Iapetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 That's the keyword, all. I never said it should be integrated into all (though I, personally, wouldn't be against the idea of a Archwing planet). cozzi never said it should be integrated into all. Only some, only here and there. It would be AWESOME. I never disagreed with that. Then we're in agreement. As for Uranus, isn't it a gas planet? Aren't Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all gas planets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)LordPuck Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 So 3 AW nodes per planet is enough? 1) Flying or 2 flying only. 1) Crossover 1) Underwater Only 1) J3 Golem node total. Like Vay hek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morec0 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Then we're in agreement. As for Uranus, isn't it a gas planet? Aren't Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all gas planets? Uranus' is an "ice giant" with speculation about there being a sea of ammonia (or even liquid diamond) beneath ice crystal-filled atmosphere. But DE seems to be taking a little artistic liberties to give it a more Kamino-looking setting (I'm not happy about it, but I wont judge them for doing so. It's there game, it's their fiction. If Jupiter rising can have a civilization of people living under Jupiter's clouds, why can't Uranus have a regular ocean?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)LordPuck Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 As for Uranus, isn't it a gas planet? Aren't Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all gas planets? Exterminate going between ships. Crossover and Crossfire in space. Just like Archwing Quest. - Fomormians. Maybe background lol Water reclaimation and minor terraforming on asteroids? Exterminate to Sabotage to Capture etc alternating AW/WF etc. Enemy based on planet as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Uranus' is an "ice giant" with speculation about there being a sea of ammonia (or even liquid diamond) beneath ice crystal-filled atmosphere. But DE seems to be taking a little artistic liberties to give it a more Kamino-looking setting (I'm not happy about it, but I wont judge them for doing so. It's there game, it's their fiction. If Jupiter rising can have a civilization of people living under Jupiter's clouds, why can't Uranus have a regular ocean?) Oh, ok. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neogeo Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Archwing mod is the least of your worry. They are really easy to get. If you farm for any weapon or archwing, you would have most of the important mod long before you complete a set. The drop rate is really high. Getting archwing part is the hardest grind ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toppien Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 ... I don't understand this thread... I mean... I don't understand ... What does op mean? he means, that nobody should enjoy what he doesnt enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharrick Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Archwing mod is the least of your worry. They are really easy to get. If you farm for any weapon or archwing, you would have most of the important mod long before you complete a set. The drop rate is really high. Getting archwing part is the hardest grind ever See, a lot of people tell me this, but I usually wind up walking away from the majority of archwing missions with absolutely no mod drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubewano Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) I actually agree with the op in this, at first I was pretty avid about archwing being tied into missions but with the realization it means I would have to play archwing or risk failure makes it entirely undesirable. of course if de can ever get around the current situation of archwing being essentially it's own game, i'd be back on board, but until such I'm really not in the mood to play two games for the sake of one. edit: this thread seems more about not being forced to play a mode one doens't enjoy, not forcing people who enjoy it not to play it (i mean if you like archwing the nodes are there, if you add it to regular missions then the other team doesn't really get that choice) Edited March 28, 2015 by Cubewano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Snowbluff Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) See, a lot of people tell me this, but I usually wind up walking away from the majority of archwing missions with absolutely no mod drops. This is how I feel. Most other things have been a breeze. I actually agree with the op in this, at first I was pretty avid about archwing being tied into missions but with the realization it means I would have to play archwing or risk failure makes it entirely undesirable. of course if de can ever get around the current situation of archwing being essentially it's own game, i'd be back on board, but until such I'm really not in the mood to play two games for the sake of one. edit: this thread seems more about not being forced to play a mode one doens't enjoy, not forcing people who enjoy it not to play it (i mean if you like archwing the nodes are there, if you add it to regular missions then the other team doesn't really get that choice) Kind of. My archwing experience has been extremely hindered by lack of mods. I just get trashed at higher levels. Even worse, I don't have those last two pips on my Serration mod finished. I don't have the resources to level a whole set of mods for my archwing. If I am forced to ranked my nonexistent archwing mods up, I'd be screwed. If I could just use my old mods (leveling these IS the endgame), I'd have a much easier time accepting archwing as a part of the game. I'm just happy people are talking about it. Reasonable discourse has been achieved, and my hope in this community has been bolstered. Edited March 29, 2015 by (PS4)Snowbluff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesyra Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 the only issue I have with archwings is how slow they level up, there arent enough mobs to kill to level them quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GildedTuna Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Wow, it's like you're woefully under prepared and being punished for it. Man its a good thing you can go to Ceres, Kiste with all level 0 gear and solo it. /sarcasm @ the post above me, you've never been to Caelus have you. Edited March 29, 2015 by LuxLo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatpig84 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Archwing mod is the least of your worry. They are really easy to get. If you farm for any weapon or archwing, you would have most of the important mod long before you complete a set. The drop rate is really high. Getting archwing part is the hardest grind ever ^ Listen to this kid. The time it took to get dual decurions and velocitus parts or fluctus. I was already swimming in mods. And was pre-nerf Caelus. Edited March 29, 2015 by fatpig84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 A vocal minority is trying to force a large portion of the community who doesn't care for Archwings to farm for equipment. Isn't it like, the opposite of that? And anyways, combo missions are already confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faustias Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Like this for example. "It's your fault this add on didn't interest you and you're being punished for your apathy." Nonsense. I can kill Stalker because the Warframe that I liked got the attention I enjoyed spending on it. I do not wish to spend that much effort on a minigame, regardless of my own enjoyment. If I want to play pew pew minigun, I'll fly around Mercury. I've tried farming for the mods, and my effort was absolutely wasted. I refuse to waste my platinum on archwing mods, because I might as well just buy the Limbo. I frequently work with a large clan and I perpetually play the game with a friend of mine. Since I am rarely incentivized to use my Archwing, and he has no love for it, so we were not able to triumph. After several hours we were not able to beat the mission and we were not able to farm useful mods from lower level interceptions. I've been thrown to the wolves by RNG, and I wouldn't have gotten anything of value even if I had succeeded. Honestly, having optional integration sounds like a wise move, as long as it doesn't bar me from any more equipment. Unfortunately, DE has already set a precedent. If they were perfect, you wouldn't see me posting. it's called preparing for the worse or unexpected. J3 Golem is nearing, an Archwing-mission boss. I better not be one of those who will complain... or post feedback-ish complaints, like J3 should've been a monstrous ground unit like Lephantis, or Archwing being too difficult for them, and they can't finish it and they can't get the items that might be exclusively dropped from it. I've solo-farm almost 90% of my AW missions to get the mods and stuffs. And the Ogma Elite Tactical Alert helped so many people grinding because those units gave out huge affinity points. It's ok. It's fine by me if you don't feel grinding for at least an hour getting stuffs, even just for Odonata and Veritux. I've taken in account that some people are impatient, lazy, or have no time at all because of prime parts, ducats and legendary mods; and because of silly RNG this game has. Also, you already said you are in a huge clan but why are you only sticking to your friend? What's the point of clan and alliance if you're only relying with a friend? Invite other people, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oriviagene Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Archwing "hater" Whenever I do heard that words I always assuming that they're noobs I'm sorry for my rudeness,but... there's a lot of players having hard time playing archwing and then they never tried again just because it's too hard in their mindset and in the and all they do is crying in the forum It's so laughable imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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