Can Warframes Morph Gender?

[Tesseract7777]

This is something that's been on my mind for awhile. From a gameplay perspective it's utterly irrelevant, but from a lore standpoint it's something I can't stop wondering about. Specifically, the gender of Warframes. In the beginning we are woken up by The Lotus, and it seems clear we are a single Tenno, we chose a warframe, and we have both male and female choices. 

 

Later on, we can choose male and female warframes, and switch between them with ease. And it seems we are still only one Tenno, we are not bringing other Tenno onboard when we make another Warframe, we are switching frames. At least, that would be the only thing that makes sense, as in the Mirage Quest, it's clear the original, female Mirage is long dead, and we are asked to "forge this warframe in honor of these memories". And as a male, we can wear the suit just fine. 

 

Are male/female suits for cosmetic, and still somehow wearable/useable by the other gender? Do the Tenno just not care about about gender identity, and as long as it manages to fit, just go with it for the abilities? Do the Tenno have the ability to morph their genders at will? Or is it something else entirely. I feel like how the lore is cloudy on some points of the Tenno origins, that there is still a lot left up for speculation here at this point. Unless the devs at some point down the road decide to give us both male and female sprites, but I seriously doubt that's happening. 

[Eda.Mone]

This was going to happen awhile back.

 

Nyx is female Excalibur. 

Just sayin', you're really late on this. 

 

 

Also, misread-- if you read into lore I remember.. I think It was... vor? Saying that the tenno are the holders of the power, not the warframe.

The Warframe is just a tool to harness said power.. --- I don't think that they swap between warframes, and please, let us not discuss this. 

This topic is beyond the 4th wall. 

 

(So overall, each tenno is different. None are the same. Maybe follow down family lines?)

Edited April 26, 2015 by InhibitedFox

[Kazzamo]

Look up Nemesis from the original dark sector. That pretty well gives an answer.

[EDeN153]

Nyx was female Excalibur. For each Warframe you own, there is a separate Tenno occupying the Warframe.

Look up Nemesis from the original dark sector. That pretty well gives an answer.

Nemesis' pilot was not a Tenno.

[Tesseract7777]

I've heard before it's unlikely they will ever allow us to change genders of warframe, I'm more interested in how you guys think this will eventually affect the lore. 

 

It's supposed to be a separate Tenno in each Warframe you use? I'm not saying that's not the case, but anywhere I can read up on this? I'm curious how the lore explains this, if any of it is already explained. 

 

I'm mainly confused because of Mirage for example. 

 

If it's a separate Tenno in the Mirage or Limbo frames, where did we get that Tenno from? It's clear from the story the Tenno that originally inhabited those frames died. 

Edited April 26, 2015 by Tesseract7777

[BluelitHalo]

IIRC DE said the frames are just worn by different people, and you switch between them when you switch frames.  The person who wears the Mirage frame now is probably different from the person who originally wore it.

[Rakshal]

I'm just gonna assume the Tenno are genderless.

[Eda.Mone]

I'm just gonna assume the Tenno are genderless.

but

boobs

[EDeN153]

 

I'm mainly confused because of Mirage for example. 

 

If it's a separate Tenno in the Mirage or Limbo frames, where did we get that Tenno from? It's clear from the story the Tenno that originally inhabited those frames died. 

I'm somewhat confused by what your asking in this post, can you clarify?

[Kazzamo]

Nemesis' pilot was not a Tenno.

 

No she wasn't but she was a human with a protoframe that had her look male from the outside. Tenno or no the frame still uses some biotech itself and can alter how the wearer looks, another thing to consider is the "It's bigger on the inside" effect the void can offer, which is how a Rhino pilot fits just as well in a Nova.

[YakAll]

Good question, in fact i was wondering a few time ago, that the frames where controled by a remote in the ship >_>. I know, silly idea :P, but gave an explanation about this hole... gender thing... yeah...

 

EDIT: i wrote "explanaiton" instead of "explanation" I'm a genius.

Edited April 26, 2015 by dsr1231248Danny

[Tesseract7777]

I'm somewhat confused by what your asking in this post, can you clarify?

 

Sorry if I wasn't clear. 

 

Mirage is told by Lotus to leave, but she doesn't, she tears their heads off as they swarm. Limbo accidentally enters the Rift the wrong way and dies, in the questline stories. 

 

We are told in the Mirage quest to forge this warframe, but we are never told that are getting another Tenno ally to inhabit it, or where this Tenno ally came from. Does Lotus have a huge batch of frozen Tenno that she unthaws whenever someone finds a new suit? Does building the Warframe not just build a mechanical suit, but somehow also clone an individual/sentience that is based on the original Tenno that inhabited it? In other words, as far as the lore is concerned, where are all these Tenno coming from that inhabit the different warframes you forge. 

[EDeN153]

No she wasn't but she was a human with a protoframe that had her look male from the outside. Tenno or no the frame still uses some biotech itself and can alter how the wearer looks, another thing to consider is the "It's bigger on the inside" effect the void can offer, which is how a Rhino pilot fits just as well in a Nova.

 

 

These disprove that.

For each Warframe you own, there is a separate Tenno occupying the Warframe.

 

IIRC DE said the frames are just worn by different people, and you switch between them when you switch frames.  The person who wears the Mirage frame now is probably different from the person who originally wore it.

 

Steve gave an official statement on a megathread of this same subject. They're good at coming up with answers, just not too good at making those answers explicit in-game.

[RoboticApplesWithLasers]

the tenno are a pile of Infested goo that just sort of is squishy enough to fit in all the shapes.

[Cubewano]

Nyx was female Excalibur. For each Warframe you own, there is a separate Tenno occupying the Warframe.

Can you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion? From what I'm aware of nothing has ever pointed towards tenno being specific to each frame, and numerous things have in fact suggested the opposite being that a single tenno occupies all the frames you don -see limbo theorem and ordis comments- to utilize unique powers. 

[Kazzamo]

The ingame messages go completely against that idea, if you can link the exact messages from steve that'd be more helpful than second hand from other players for your point.

[Urlan]

As you said, from a game standpoint the look of the warframe suits we wear doesn't really matter. That said, it is my belief that the look of the warframe comes from the alpha strain of the original infested host. I think that the suits we originally made from harvested exoskeletons of Orokin subjects that were exposed to technocyte to test the applications of the bio-organic weapon. The exoskeletons, once sheared off the original subject were then outfitted with wetware to allow for ease of integration of command and battle functions for wearers and then scanned to make templates. These templates are what our blueprints and such are made from. Prime parts are probably the suits further outfitted with bling for those Tenno that were held in higher regard by the Orokin leaders and were most likely like the ace custom of our suits' lines. The gender of the warframe is probably just defined by whatever the host looked like before being consumed by the technocyte at least that is how I figure it with some of the outer decorations either worked in later by the Orokin techs or worked into the infested host before harvesting after identification of its infested mutation or 'gifts'.

 

In my hypothesis at least, the gender of the warframe probably wouldn't matter too much to the Tenno inside, its just a suit that looks like a person so changing its gender look probably wouldn't be nessesary. Still, we get syandana and sugatra tassles for our melee weapons and such, anything could be possible in the long run.

[EDeN153]

Sorry if I wasn't clear. 

 

Mirage is told by Lotus to leave, but she doesn't, she tears their heads off as they swarm. Limbo accidentally enters the Rift the wrong way and dies, in the questline stories. 

 

We are told in the Mirage quest to forge this warframe, but we are never told that are getting another Tenno ally to inhabit it, or where this Tenno ally came from. Does Lotus have a huge batch of frozen Tenno that she unthaws whenever someone finds a new suit? Does building the Warframe not just build a mechanical suit, but somehow also clone an individual/sentience that is based on the original Tenno that inhabited it? In other words, as far as the lore is concerned, where are all these Tenno coming from that inhabit the different warframes you forge. 

There's a pretty good chance that's the case. You have to think, the Tenno were a very large portion of the Orokin empire twisted by the void, only some of the Orokin didn't turn to the Void for sanctuary. That kinda gives you perspective, a large portion of a very large empire became what we know as Tenno. You could also assume that we're able to reproduce.

Can you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion? From what I'm aware of nothing has ever pointed towards tenno being specific to each frame, and numerous things have in fact suggested the opposite being that a single tenno occupies all the frames you don -see limbo theorem and ordis comments- to utilize unique powers. 

 

This:

 

 

Steve gave an official statement on a megathread of this same subject. They're good at coming up with answers, just not too good at making those answers explicit in-game.

[Rakshal]

but

boobs

The Warframes were shaped around the original Tenno, meaning the original Tenno had genders. I'm assuming the current Tenno are genderless.

Edited April 26, 2015 by Rakshal

[RoboticApplesWithLasers]

These disprove that.

 

 

Steve gave an official statement on a megathread of this same subject. They're good at coming up with answers, just not too good at making those answers explicit in-game.

you are just siting a quote you used earlier for reference, and the other quote is complete BS, DE has stated in several Devstreams and many times on the forums that there is only 1 tenno.

 

If that aint enough because you want to stay in universe here is some reasoning

 

How does a kubrow show affection for several people even one they just met? if all warframes were different tenno than the kubrow would have different relationships with all of them.  

 

Vor states that the tenno are the void's power and that The frame acts a glass to shape their light.  Why would you need a specific pilot to use a warframe if the warframe can shape the Void Juice of any ol tenno.

 

Lastly, You build the warframes. do we just pick up the pilots with them and they come to live in our Orbiter? Why do Lotus and Darvo treat you as one person throughout Quests, even if you change frame

 

Also If you change frame during Vor's prize ( old players coming back after U14 have to go through it) The Lock is still attached to your ankle

 

There is N evidence whatsoever that more than one tenno is needed per Player.

[EDeN153]

you are just siting a quote you used earlier for reference, and the other quote is complete BS, DE has stated in several Devstreams and many times on the forums that there is only 1 tenno.

 

If that aint enough because you want to stay in universe here is some reasoning

 

How does a kubrow show affection for several people even one they just met? if all warframes were different tenno than the kubrow would have different relationships with all of them.  

 

Vor states that the tenno are the void's power and that The frame acts a glass to shape their light.  Why would you need a specific pilot to use a warframe if the warframe can shape the Void Juice of any ol tenno.

 

Lastly, You build the warframes. do we just pick up the pilots with them and they come to live in our Orbiter? Why do Lotus and Darvo treat you as one person throughout Quests, even if you change frame

 

Also If you change frame during Vor's prize ( old players coming back after U14 have to go through it) The Lock is still attached to your ankle

 

There is N evidence whatsoever that more than one tenno is needed per Player.

Link me to the specific devstreams and give me a timestamp.

[RoboticApplesWithLasers]

Link me to the specific devstreams and give me a timestamp.

No, I'm not gonna fish through 51 Hours+ of Streams to find 3-4 minutes.

Any rebuttle for any of the In lore reasons i supplied?

[Cubewano]

There's a pretty good chance that's the case. You have to think, the Tenno were a very large portion of the Orokin empire twisted by the void, only some of the Orokin didn't turn to the Void for sanctuary. That kinda gives you perspective, a large portion of a very large empire became what we know as Tenno. You could also assume that we're able to reproduce.

Nowhere has it ever been stated that a majority of the orokin ever became tenno, or that turning to the void directly results in one becoming a tenno. Otherwise all the people invading the void like Vor and Baro would be tenno as well. 

 

As far as we are aware only one ship from the orokin era had an interaction with the void that produced the beings we call tenno, and it was hardly a shipped packed with people (as can be gained by the fact the larger military faction heading these ships didn't pay much heed to its loss). If you also read the excerpt from the mag prime codex, when the soldiers were escorting mag prime they were all very unaccustomed to being in the presence of a frame and its tenno, the person telling the story even said he/she thought they were a myth, which isn't a reaction that would happen if tenno were so very bountiful. 

[Urlan]

I don't have the DE_Steve quote myself, though I would love to reread it if anyone does have a link to it; but I believe the statement itself was to the effect of not every warframe of that name being the same Tenno inside. I am not freeing a Tenno that I keep in my arsenal to go on missions when I change suits, I am just changing my exosuit made in the shape of a humanoid. Perhaps creepy, but using void tech to create a hammerspace of sorts for my ship, the towers, my ammo, and myself makes sense to me even if it means a guy could be running around as a Rhino one minute or a Nova the next.

[EDeN153]

Nowhere has it ever been stated that a majority of the orokin ever became tenno, or that turning to the void directly results in one becoming a tenno. Otherwise all the people invading the void like Vor and Baro would be tenno as well. 

 

 

It actually has been. I'll have to find the codex entries, pretty sure it's Excal Prime's/comes from a few of the Primes.

 

 

I was right, Excal Prime's:

 

"The Sentients had won. They had turned our weapons, our technology, against us. The more advanced we became, the greater our losses. The war was over unless we found a new way. In our desperation we turned to the Void. The blinding night, the hellspace where our science and reason failed.

We took the twisted few that had returned from that place. We built a frame around them, a conduit of their affliction. Gave them the weapons of the old ways. Gun and blade. A new warrior, a new code was born. These rejects, these Tenno, became our saviors. Warrior-Gods cast in steel and fury striking our enemies in a way they could never comprehend. Excalibur was the first."

 

Although it does say that not all of the Orokin survived, it still proves my point.

Edited April 26, 2015 by EDeN153