TheBrsrkr Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 We got the Excalibur rework, which is more than welcome and honestly should have been done a long time ago. Next up is Frost, who got booted back by Excalibur. He deserves a good rework as well. Hopefully after that is Limbo, who is rather unjustly hated, but admittedly spends more than half his time casting one thing or the other, and is probably the only Frame almost forced to use Natural Talent. Also, infinite trolling. After those three, can we get a Rhino rework please? Rhino's been needing some changes for a long time now. Iron Skin in particular needs it, but Roar and Rhino Charge isn't exactly at the pinnacle of usefulness. There's also the complete lack of scaling for anything but Roar, and how OP Iron Skin is in the starchart. His stigma is "noob frame" doesn't help either, and the lowered speed honestly has no place in Warframe anymore. Here's my rework suggestion, if anyone cares: https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/410642-hopefully-the-last-thread-about-rhino-and-his-abilities/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)SteampunkJester Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Hopefully a Limbo rework is even on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TiTAN-- Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Rhino doesn't need a rework just buffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WERElektro Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 If it helps clear up his image a bit... As you pointed out Rhino is mostly condemned as noob frame... Not a fan of it myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros13 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Frost is the next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaFragolino Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Limbo doesn't need a rework at all, I have no idea of what are you talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Limbo should have got a rework months ago. There's the damn development and feedback thread on the workshop that the Devs have conveniently forgotten exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble_One Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) ....didnt rhino already get one? Edited June 2, 2015 by Noble_One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBladeX Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) I'd say so far most reworks have left some... room to grow. There should definitely be some buffs or reworks to these frames: Ember (Prime) Volt (Prime) Rhino (Prime) Excalibur (Prime) Limbo Hydroid Frost (Prime) Ash Zephyr Nyx (Prime) Saryn Mirage Mesa AND please, for the love of Warframe, don't replace Focus with augments... Please. And make augments upgrades in the ABILITY screen. Mod slots are precious things. This would make all warframes a tad bit more flexible and or agile, making use of those "mods that never get used because they're situational and pointless". Edited June 3, 2015 by APBladeX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i.chit.you.not Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 limbo is hated because most people playing limbo are either trolls or retards who think they're invincible, ended up getting killed and down the whole team sorry but it's just my experience, very rarely i see a decent limbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBladeX Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 ....didnt rhino already get one? They replaced the 3rd ability with Roar. That's pretty much it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InoxMaximus Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) nyx after frost pls Edited June 2, 2015 by InoxMaximus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluelitHalo Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) I would agree that Rhino needs a full rework to actually specialize in something instead being a jack-of-all-trades frame. With all these other frames that can provide more reliable tanking, damage, support, and CC, Rhino is not just in an awkward position as the brute he was meant to be; he's completely lost his indentity. It should also be noted that just because he seems fine now doesn't mean he's not largely outclassed. Also, this "noob frame" stigma can easily be solved by swapping Excalibur and Rhino part places in star chart progression. Edited June 2, 2015 by Sonitorum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronyn Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) ....didnt rhino already get one? He had his old 3 rolled into his 4. Then got a new 3 we know as roar. Sadly, when DE switched to damage 2.0 they never really went back and tweaked his defensive stats or the numbers on iron skin. So he is actually tuned for back when enemies did way less damage than they do now. Of course, with all the noobs running around with a level 30 rhino in low level content it makes him seem super strong. OInce he gets into end game trails its like..oh right...he hasnt been tuned up since the old damage model. Rhino doesn't need a rework just buffs I would agree that Rhino needs a full rework to actually specialize in something I'd say he needs a certain amount of both buff and rework. Nothing drastic on either. Edited June 2, 2015 by Ronyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboDoge Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Why is no one mentioning Saryn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaFragolino Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 limbo is hated because most people playing limbo are either trolls or retards who think they're invincible, ended up getting killed and down the whole team sorry but it's just my experience, very rarely i see a decent limbo Usually he's better for Solo missions, which is why you don't see a decent Limbo really often. His abilities work perfectly and he shouldn't get a rework only because people can't "press 4 to genocide". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7grims Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Idk why frost is on the table yet again. Limbo is a frame that needs to be a frame so yah, major rework for him, almost scrap it and restart from the ground up. Saryn needs a rework, since she only haves a good ultimate, wile her other abilities are trash or too much situanional. Mirage could also need a tweek, since she is ability #1 dependent, and it almost makes all her other abilities not so needed. As for rhino I just hope this isnt one of those "please buff iron skin, because I'm a huge noob" tread. Rhino as the biggest stats for: health shields and armor and a very energy cheap ability (iron skin) to make him even more invulnerable. To top it all, a great ultimate that deals good damage, but also stuns the enemies for a long wile. Edited June 2, 2015 by 7grims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronyn Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Idk why frost is on the table yet again. Limbo is a frame that needs to be a frame so yah, major rework for him, almost scrap it and restart from the ground up. As for rhino I just hope this isnt one of those "please buff iron skin, because I'm a huge noob" treads.<-or a buff iron skin cause rhino cant fullfill tank role at trial level. Rhino as the biggest stats for: health<-Oberon has more. shields<-Tied with a few others. and armor<-not even close. Chroma hs 350. valkyr has 600. and a very energy cheap ability (iron skin) to make him even more invulnerable.<-Its just ok compared to some of the powers on other frames these days. To top it all, a great ultimate that deals good damage, but also stuns the enemies for a long wile.<-his ult is indeed strong. Some of your information is outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauli133 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Rhino as the biggest stats for: health shields and armor Rhino has mid-tier health, top tier shields, and less armor than Chroma (to say nothing of Valkyr). Still a great tank and all around frame, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChloeSakuna Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I feel like we should have them scrap this whole game and start a warframe 3.0 for what you guys are all complaining about : / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Only rework Limbo needs is the ability to pick up items in Cataclysm. Other than that there is literally no issue with Limbo that Frost or Nyx don't have as well (and nobody complaines about them any more). As far as changes to Rhino there were some changes to him I suggested a while ago. Rhino Iron Skin Grants a fixed duration of 100% invulnerability at beginning of skill. All other stats unchanged. Roar No longer grants a damage amp. Now causes Rhino's threat level to raise dramatically. Enemies must be 'aware' of Rhino in order to be affected (same targeting as Radial Blind). Intended to make Rhino better fit a 'pure tank' roll. Iron Skin's invulnerability is meant to allow rhino to Iron Skin>Roar in high-leveled missions and be able to survive. Also grants an element of skill and thought put into one's play pattern for Rhino in making the time in which you cast Iron Skin matter more than just maintaining a 100% up-time. Every frame has some issues but it feels that people are nit-picking one issue from frames and saying they need full blown reworks. Sure making older frames more unique as newer ones have been is fine but revamping entire abilities or their entire kit is not the way to go about it. It'll only end up in causing splits in the community between players who hate certan frames and the ones who are able to use them effectively as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Akuma_Asura_ Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Limbo doesn't need a rework at all, I have no idea of what are you talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Akuma_Asura_ Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Just because excal and frost are getting reworks doesn't mean every other frame will. The only thing they're doing with limbo is that they're putting banish and rift walk in the same ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyberWolfe Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Only rework Limbo needs is the ability to pick up items in Cataclysm. Other than that there is literally no issue with Limbo that Frost or Nyx don't have as well (and nobody complaines about them any more). As far as changes to Rhino there were some changes to him I suggested a while ago. Every frame has some issues but it feels that people are nit-picking one issue from frames and saying they need full blown reworks. Sure making older frames more unique as newer ones have been is fine but revamping entire abilities or their entire kit is not the way to go about it. It'll only end up in causing splits in the community between players who hate certan frames and the ones who are able to use them effectively as is. ARGH. THIS. SO MUCH OF THIS. If only we could pick up items in the void, then everything would be fine! The datamass falling when you enter the void and not being able to hack while in the void are tolerable if we could just pick up items in the void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 ARGH. THIS. SO MUCH OF THIS. If only we could pick up items in the void, then everything would be fine! The datamass falling when you enter the void and not being able to hack while in the void are tolerable if we could just pick up items in the void. At the least the issue with datamasses and hacking are understandable, no reason to allow Limbo to be able to remain fully invulnerable while doing key mission objectives. Now being able to carry them and hack in Cataclysm? That is something that would make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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