MichaelSD Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Doest the rapier get the sword bonus from Excalibur frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 [DE]Rebecca Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 In the case of Excalibur Passive vs. 'Destreza' Rapier inclusion, we the Devs have reached a verdict.All rise.In a future hotfix, the 'Destreza' Rapier will be positively affected by Excalibur's passive.Adjourned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Moghul Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) YES. EXACTLY. "Anything that isn't a katana style". Or Chinese dual swords. Both of which are what Excalibur uses. NOT anything that stabs. Show me one move where excalibur stabs. Finishers with his ulti. Radial javelin. @Rheoidegen Well, for one, I can't verify whether you do practice with swords in real life but I can tell you you can still easily stab with a sword. And the rapier is a sword. A rapier (/ˈreɪpiər/) is a slender, sharply pointed sword, best suited for thrusting attacks, used mainly in Early Modern Europeduring the 16th and 17th centuries. Sigh who even cares? The new weapon's super meh anyway. @BornWithTeeth He is LITERALLY named after a sword. Edited January 14, 2016 by Moghul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 [DE]Grzegorz Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It's neither a sword or a longsword, hence it shouldn't benefit from Excal's passives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MichaelSD Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 A rapier is by definition a sword, especially as it has slash procs, but my question was if it HAS is or not, and not if it should or shouldn't. Thanks for the post though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 VKhaun Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Fair question. Pretty straightforward to test, too. If no one else posts I'll check for you when I get home from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 bubbabenali Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 A rapier is by definition a sword, especially as it has slash procs, but my question was if it HAS is or not, and not if it should or shouldn't. Thanks for the post though. Why wouldn't it has Slash procs? A Rapirs pike is sharp after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 VKhaun Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Using Limbo and Excalibur Parry -> Riposte did the same damage (599) to a lv1 butcher. Excalibur's passive does not seem to affect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 (PSN)IIIDevoidIII Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Moved to Players Helping Players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MichaelSD Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Thanks you Sir for testing it out! @bubba "Why wouldn't it has Slash procs? A Rapirs pike is sharp after all." I am not saying it should no have, but since it slashes it is definitely a sword. Edited January 14, 2016 by MichaelSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MichaelSD Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 Rapier does not get the Excalibur's sword bonus. Why not? It is freakin sword, even does slash procs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 vitmerc Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 This happens because the Rapier is of Rapier class. Excalibur only grants his buff to Sword class weapons. Same as with Heavy Blades (some of which are huge swords), Rapier does not get the bonus, because it is a different type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Stormdragon Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Totally agree, we don't need rocket science to explain why a rapier (a kind of sword) should get the Excalibur sword mastery passive bonus. This happens because the Rapier is of Rapier class. Excalibur only grants his buff to Sword class weapons. Same as with Heavy Blades (some of which are huge swords), Rapier does not get the bonus, because it is a different type. Then explain dual swords and nikanas, they are both a different weapon type (even tough they belong to different sword classes) and still get the bonus Edited January 14, 2016 by -----LegioN----- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MichaelSD Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) I doubt that the rapier class was created to exclude Excalibur's ability. But I put the question the other way around: since there was no rapier class when Excalibur got his ability should it not have it? The point of the question is, if it was intentional or not. Edited January 14, 2016 by MichaelSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Gwenwed Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Stat Value Impact 1.9 Puncture 63.8 Slash 9.4 A Rapier is indeed a sword that does mostly piercing damage. Fencing being swordplay, Excalibur should normally get his passive bonus while using Destreza (especially if he does with Dual Kamas which is imo leagues away from swords but hey...). Cheers! Edit: Formatting Edited January 14, 2016 by Gwenwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Apoc001 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) for the same reasoning why nami solo (a cutlass sword placed in the machete class) and the galatine (a great sword, and also named after the sister sword of excalibur) don't gain bonuses... because DE says so Edited January 14, 2016 by Apoc001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MichaelSD Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 Dropped in a ticket, we will see what the response is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Arkezuli Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) for the same reasoning why nami solo (a cutlass sword placed in the machete class) and the galatine (a great sword, and also named after the sister sword of excalibur) don't gain bonuses... because DE says so But DID they? Or are we jumping to random conclusions that DE is always aware and in control of every single thing that happens in their game because we have no idea how game development works? Edited January 14, 2016 by -Cen.Silver- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MichaelSD Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) I know all that. Read back my last response. And yes, the Year of the Quality did not convince me that everything is intentional by DE. Edited January 14, 2016 by MichaelSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Evanescent Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I think Rapiers should be added to his Passive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 leocww Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Edit : Changed topic for more discussion-oriented. Okay, first of all, for any of you who do not know about Excal's passive, copied from wikia : Excalibur has improved mastery in the Tenno art of the blade, receiving +10% attack speed and +10% damage when dealing melee attacks (including via Exalted Blade) while wielding the following weapons: Longswords, such as the Skana. Dual swords, such as the Dual Skana. Nikanas, such as the Dragon Nikana. Bonuses are additive to mods such as Pressure Point and Fury. The posterboy is well-known for his swordsmanship and I really enjoy the Destreza a lot. While I was playing with both of them today, I ask myself why this isn't happened yet. So what do you guys think about this ? Edited January 14, 2016 by SpryCrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rheoidegen Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I disagree, as it isn't a longsword. It's a rapier, and therefore is completely different. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 (PSN)robertgk2017 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 -Krasny- Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 no, nein, Нет Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 CephalonSeraph Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I think it would still be cool to be able to have that little buff for it. I am not complaining though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rydian Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I disagree, as it isn't a longsword. It's a rapier, and therefore is completely different. Sorry. Well, katanas count, and they're different too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doest the rapier get the sword bonus from Excalibur frame?
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