Warframe turning into dark souls?

[Praisethasun]

Did some one say Dark souls?   \[T]/

[Niliam]

5 minutes ago, DeMeritus said:

Just so you know, one of the main devs, Scott, is a rabid fan of Dark Souls.  He's been pushing for this direction for a long time.

He can, but should only put those in Nightmare mode, not normal mode.

Since nightmare mode is the challenge requested by the people who want challenge(tho, they rarely do them), then hard content should be put in there first.

 

[NinthAria]

2 minutes ago, Niliam said:

Did you try no shield, energy drain nightmare mod fighting couple level 40+ bursas, Combas, Corpus Tech?

 

Nope, don't think so.

I'm confused, are you complaining about the enemies, nightmare mode, or high-level power creep? I was under the impression it was the former, because with the exception of sorties, the latter two you kind of have to consciously opt into, either by picking nightmare mode to begin with or staying in an endless run long enough to reach high levels. Which, you know, invalidates most of your complaints about how extra challenges should have to be opted into.

[Yatazanami]

not even close

[Zeiss17]

Wow, are you actively accusing other players for your inability to deal with the newer enemies?

 

Wow.

 

 

[Askell91]

I don't want to be an as* but... these are not hard to kill, max if you don't have the equipment for it or doesen't have that minimal strategy what you need to kill them. 

[Zeiss17]

[Redacted]

Edited March 24, 2016 by ShaneKahnnigan17
Double posting and internet screwup.

[Niliam]

13 minutes ago, NinthAria said:

I'm confused, are you complaining about the enemies, nightmare mode, or high-level power creep? I was under the impression it was the former, because with the exception of sorties, the latter two you kind of have to consciously opt into, either by picking nightmare mode to begin with or staying in an endless run long enough to reach high levels. Which, you know, invalidates most of your complaints about how extra challenges should have to be opted into.

Nope, I have no problem with sorties, or bursas or stalkers. Mirage strength build with syoind kills everything upto and including level 100 Eximus.  loki with duration build takes out all rescue, spy mission easily.

 

The problem is there are people complain normal mode is too easy, keep asking for harder content. Yet, they barely play the nightmare missions which they have asked for them to be a challenge. They keep asking, but rarely doing. Forcing all others play the way they want.

While they are saying game is too easy, and not truly challenging themselves. They keep blame others for easy content in normal mode(ad hominin seeing throughout this thread).

They need to go to nightmare mod, and complain enemy is too easy in nightmare mode, asking DE to increase the difficulty in nightmare mode, to challenge themselves. Not in normal mode.

[Niliam]

17 minutes ago, Yatazanami said:

not even close

Wow, you get to see the enemy coming.

 

You should try napalm in nightmare mode(No shield, energy drain), shooting at you from behind the door in the other room, you don't even get to see it coming.

[artemisfortune]

Dark Souls is hard?

[(PSN)FriendSharkey]

Well rip off Armored Core while at it also. FromSoftware makes those as well. Some of those missions revolved around trying to stay alive long enough for the bot controlled AC to run out of ammo. Also if you're going Darksouls then..Giant Jack Skeloton monsters...don't forget your plethora of giant boney nightmare fuel. 

 

[Teloch]

Hmm... Nightmare mode sorties, anyone ?

Edited March 24, 2016 by Teloch

[Silvus-Sol]

I want to respond to the OP in a thoughtful manner and explain the gaping holes in his logic, but every time I read his posts I just end up facepalming instead.

[Niliam]

2 minutes ago, Silvus-Sol said:

I want to respond to the OP in a thoughtful manner and explain the gaping holes in his logic, but every time I read his posts I just end up facepalming instead.

So, pick the hole:

Game is too easy, ask for nightmare mode; Nightmare mode granted,

ignoring nightmare mode, keeps play normal mode, game is too easy;

asking for more challenging enemy; challenging enemy granted, still not doing nightmare mode, game too easy...

 

Also, start to bullying other normal mode players not living upto their superior skill level.....

 

 

[CrazyCatLad]

Add my name to the list of "No, those enemies/modes you listed are easy."

Artificial difficulty in response to Warframes being beyond Overpowered shouldn't count to any calculation...

[(PSN)ArnnFrost]

*in a devilish voice* I ACCHEPT YOUR CHALLENSH!

Speaking of Dark Souls, the new one is coming soon *.* HAMON! OVAR HYPPOOOOO!!!!

[Silvus-Sol]

17 minutes ago, Niliam said:

So, pick the hole:

Game is too easy, ask for nightmare mode; Nightmare mode granted,

ignoring nightmare mode, keeps play normal mode, game is too easy;

asking for more challenging enemy; challenging enemy granted, still not doing nightmare mode, game too easy...

 

Also, start to bullying other normal mode players not living upto their superior skill level.....

 

 

The first hole is that you made this all up. These are imaginary people you are blaming. Plenty of people have done plenty of Nightmare missions and are still doing them. You just have this idea stuck in your head that nobody is doing them and are basing all of this on that.

Furthermore Nightmare isn't that great in regards to challenging content. It's pretty much the same as a normal mission. 1-2 Random modifiers (some of which have nothing to do with difficulty) and enemies with 10 extra levels doesn't make it the "go to" place if you want a challenge. Nightmare is run for Nightmare mods. That's its main draw. Also, Nightmare mode has random and limited accessibility. You can't choose it so much as it just happens. If it's on a node you like then it has appeal otherwise your only option is to pass it up and wait.

To recap, you're blaming people and trying to invalidate their opinions for not regularly doing a mission type that is not considered the most challenging thing in the game, even though people are actually doing it. In other words, your whole argument makes little sense and is not grounded in reality.

Edited March 24, 2016 by Silvus-Sol

[izzatuw]

The only thing that's close to "Dark Souls" is Kavats, they one shot squishy frames and have little to no warning. 

 

Shadow Stalker? I solo'd the guy with a Nyx and Zhuge. Shadow Stalker is relatively weaker than Stalker.

[Niliam]

17 minutes ago, izzatuw said:

The only thing that's close to "Dark Souls" is Kavats, they one shot squishy frames and have little to no warning. 

 

Shadow Stalker? I solo'd the guy with a Nyx and Zhuge. Shadow Stalker is relatively weaker than Stalker.

Level 40 kavat can one shot full health Inaros, not just squish frame.

[(PSN)Mazda_07_]

Nothing wrong with making the game a little more difficult . It stops it from being boring after a while .

[Niliam]

22 minutes ago, Silvus-Sol said:

The first hole is that you made this all up. These are imaginary people you are blaming. Plenty of people have done plenty of Nightmare missions and are still doing them. You just have this idea stuck in your head that nobody is doing them and are basing all of this on that.

Furthermore Nightmare isn't that great in regards to challenging content. It's pretty much the same as a normal mission. 1-2 Random modifiers (some of which have nothing to do with difficulty) and enemies with 10 extra levels doesn't make it the "go to" place if you want a challenge. Nightmare is run for Nightmare mods. That's its main draw. Also, Nightmare mode has random and limited accessibility. You can't choose it so much as it just happens. If it's on a node you like then it has appeal otherwise your only option is to pass it up and wait.

To recap, you're blaming people and trying to invalidate their opinions for not regularly doing a mission type that is not considered the most challenging thing in the game, even though people are actually doing it. In other words, your whole argument makes little sense and is not grounded in reality.

Are you high?

I made this up? Do you even read the forum, how many people is complaining Bursa(all enemy type) is too easy, too dumb to kill? That everything is a piece of cake.

If nightmare is not challenging enough, ask DE to increase the difficulty in nightmare mode to give you a challenge.

Give it +20, +30 level increase, more Bursas, more sentient(all the good drops too), more combas, more heavy grinners, more scorch. Make it always no shield, energy drain mode.

Give it all mission mode, Sabotage, Exterminate, Spy, survival, defence, intercept, make enemy alwasys alerted, can can't be unalerted.

 

But ask all those in nightmare mode only, keep it to yourselves.

 

Normal player might give a try, but will never say your game mode is too easy. Unlike some elite player, keep saying normal mode is too easy.

[letir]

Just now, Niliam said:

Are you high?

I made this up? Do you even read the forum, how many people is complaining Bursa(all enemy type) is too easy, too dumb to kill? That everything is a piece of cake.

If nightmare is not challenging enough, ask DE to increase the difficulty in nightmare mode to give you a challenge.

Give it +20, +30 level increase, more Bursas, more sentient(all the good drops too), more combas, more heavy grinners, more scorch. Make it always no shield, energy drain mode.

Give it all mission mode, Sabotage, Exterminate, Spy, survival, defence, intercept, make enemy alwasys alerted, can can't be unalerted.

 

But ask all those in nightmare mode only, keep it to yourselves.

 

Normal player might give a try, but will never say your game mode is too easy. Unlike some elite player, keep saying normal mode is too easy.

Are you high?

Everyone complaining about Bursa and their spawn rates. Nobody asking about crasy BS like your claim:

"Give it +20, +30 level increase, more Bursas, more sentient(all the good drops too), more combas, more heavy grinners, more scorch. Make it always no shield, energy drain mode.

Give it all mission mode, Sabotage, Exterminate, Spy, survival, defence, intercept, make enemy alwasys alerted, can can't be unalerted."

Yes, you made this up.

Edited March 24, 2016 by letir

[Airwolfen]

Nothing a little caution can't fix. make it so you have CC on you in any shape and most of these units won't be able to do a thing. Melee block can help at times (a lot of the weapons give a 85% damage block and knockdown resist. Gear for survivability and always have a weapon with you that you can fully utilize.

And if you don't have any of those points...

Spoiler

 

Edited March 24, 2016 by Airwolfen

[XaelathRavenstorm]

Why would you remove the only tough enemies in this game? btw I erase them 24/7 the bursa nerf we got is clearly unnecessary.

[White_Matter]

Not even close brother. But I wish warframe had a little bit of challenge coming from the mission types rather than the offensive strength of the enemies. Maybe longer missions like raids and more versatile mobs like maniacs or zannuka. More versatile tilesets.

This game needs more variety.