arch111 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Lets put it this way. Imagine if Valkyr actually had visible armor, like Rhino. She would look badass I'm sure. She too would be big because of all that armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch111 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I have reached the point in the thread where I usually post the following image. There. Done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibro156 Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, arch111 said: I have reached the point in the thread where I usually post the following image. There. Done it. Did you just make that? Pretty awesome have to say! :D Well, I can never draw but you did what I couldn't. Edited June 20, 2016 by Ibro156 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 isnt valkyr muscular ....at least in germesi skin ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofvampires Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 1 minute ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said: isnt valkyr muscular ....at least in germesi skin ;D What they want is bulky muscles, not lithe like valk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 so miss universe type..... why ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekallis Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I've got nothing against it but it would have to be done almost PERFECTLY to come across as female in a warframe design given how abstract many of the features of a warframe tend to be you'd likely end up with something more androgynous in appearance than 'female'. you'd also have to consider what her role/powers would be because having just a random beefy female with powers that have nothing to do with her being muscular would go against the design directives DE tends to follow of the look meshing with the powers. Sticking with conventional forms and typcial 'female' or 'male' traits like sayn's 'thighboots' and curves or Atlas' general musculature makes it easy to establish their identity. I've no doubt going forward we'll get into less conventional looks as they start looking for new ideas but a muscular femme frame is going to have to be done just wrong to come off as anything other than a novelty or gimmick. I mean look at portayls of muscular females in fantasy, you get amazons, and.....um.......Orc women?.....that's about it. In the rare event one is done without being one of those two things they tend to be designed very 'butch' with masculine everything and oversized boobs tacked on to establish them as female. I'll say it again there's nothing wrong with a muscular female, but unless it's designed with a very clear idea of what makes her tick they often come out as just "bro's with boobs" you need a way to avoid that for the concept to work well at all much less in warframe form where conventional facial features might not even be a thing(See Mag,).It's a more complex design problem than you think I'd wager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arch111 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, Ibro156 said: Did you just make that? Pretty awesome have to say! :D Well, I can never draw but you did what I couldn't. no I have mad a few genderswap concepts. This was the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alma_Elma Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Doesn't Nezha count as a muscular female frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNPOTPIE Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Female frames are all pretty diverse in my opinion, so I dont really understand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railgun_Alter Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Alma_Elma said: Doesn't Nezha count as a muscular female frame? As far as I know, Nezha is a boy.... Yeah... I was impressed too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliuas Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Alma_Elma said: Doesn't Nezha count as a muscular female frame? Nezha is a man, the name nezha refers to a prince, its just that he looks very feminine. Edited June 20, 2016 by Aliuas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekallis Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, Alma_Elma said: Doesn't Nezha count as a muscular female frame? Nezha's male and a good example of the 'androngynous' problem i mentioned when trying to use less specifically 'male' or 'female' features. Another example, people used to think ember was a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railgun_Alter Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Dekallis said: Nezha's male and a good example of the 'androngynous' problem i mentioned when trying to use less specifically 'male' or 'female' features. Another example, people used to think ember was a guy. Actually, I think Ember WAS indeed a guy in early versions of the game (? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibro156 Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 19 minutes ago, Alma_Elma said: Doesn't Nezha count as a muscular female frame? Nezha is a dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RugerMK1 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Muscle ladies used to beat me up at the gym. Not physically, they just showed how much buffer they were and made disparaging comments about my exercise routine. So now my ego has a scared of muscle ladies. :( Please don't turn Warframe into a muscle lady location where once again I will be verbally and psychologically abused. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaIthazar Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Ima pitch in and repeat: Equinox Day form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Nope, never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dicht.ThanksFrost- Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Theres a difference between buff female bodies and fake bodies. That overwatch character is not realistic, just like how people say that you can't look like the models on the billboards, that exact same thing applies to this character. Overwatch is technically a game about superheroes so they can get away with it. And even if there are some women that have reached this point in bulk, we are only talking about the 99th percentile, the extremely small amount of people who have to spend years perhaps decades of training and protein shakes to achieve such a body. But warframe does have much more elements of realism. And thus having frames with that kind of physique is impossible and would not fit with the artistic vision of the game. This is the same case with people demanding for fatter frames, like obese fat not curvy nor larger. This wont work either since frames are designed for aerobatic movement, even rhino and atlas (debately the largest builded frames in the game) still need to be considered for this. But it works because males, even when building strength for aerobic activities can achieve such builds and still remain agile due to their exponentially higher testosterone levels. It simply does not fit into the lore and it will never be done. If i was someone who actually cares about body diversity, I would be the first to say that it's worse to portray female character unrealistically whether it is super lean or muscular than to actually stay true to what is possible and grounded in reality. Edited June 21, 2016 by [DE]Taylor removed baiting comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerga-08 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) If DE were to add a muscular female, then it would have to be done right. Most of the frames look like they can move around the battle field fairly quickly and if they look something like this... ...then it will look stupid when she tries to do anything other than sprint (almost barfed while look for a picture like that to use). However if it was closer to something like this... [/img] ...then it will look cool (may be biased due to subject matter/art style), and to an extent we already have these body types. And as people stated above, having diversity because diversity is just dumb. Edited June 20, 2016 by Zerga-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Tactless_Ninja Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The solution to all problems and more is this; big-boobied Snek lady. The two-legged warframes are all offensive to those who need to coil and roll to move around. Also flat chested girls are illegal in Australia. Won't someone PLEASE think of the Aussies! Get on it DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 5 hours ago, Cash4Cookies said: well maybe you think something may not look good, but other people might prefer it that way. just like humans look different, i don't see why warframes can't look different. well then we go to the Vidjya Game practicality reasons - all Warframes need to be able to do the same movement Animations, without causing issues. unrealiistic or extremely exaggerated dimensions in either direction cause severe issues with this. therefore will not exist because it'll cause an arm to phase through a body or Et Cetera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatnix. Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 *The orokin create dolls for kids to play with and be perfect assassins* *Dolls that can be --perfect-- and need to be extremely agile and do not represent any sort of political agenda in space war* *They create unrealistic, muscular female bodies to be socially responsible and not offend anyone" Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dicht.ThanksFrost- Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ibro156 said: No offence but did you read it probably. I was just saying the males seem to have more distinctive features and different body builds thats all. Am not saying anything of what you had just said You still fail to understand that men can easily reach much larger and muscular body types than females can. It is basic human genetics. It's is extremely rare for a female to reach that amount of bulk. The reason why there are not as many "diverse" body types amongst women is because the overwhelming majority of the are genetically unable to reach the size that men can. As much as this game is about space ninjas, it is very well grounded into reality, seeing a largely built male acrobat is substantially more common than the latter and thus opens more avenues for the artists to create larger male body types without breaking the consistency of the game. Even if you see actual olympic gymnasts, males are huge and muscular whereas females are substantially smaller, still muscular but overall smaller builds. This is how it is, and it would be preferable if DE stuck to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IEpicWolfI Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 23 hours ago, PsychedelicSnake said: Pretty much my thoughts on the subject. I'm not against more types of Warframe looks and designs. In fact, I'd love more. However, as Sixty5 has said, diversity solely for the sake of diversity isn't good. It's tokenism at that point. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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