SilverBones Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 After seven months they haven't managed to get the resolution to an acceptable standard? Apologies but my trust is lost there. You have good points otherwise though. Still doesn't stop me from being annoyed, but you offer valid insight. If he is going to be involved in a quest, it better be pretty damn impressive, maybe even more impressive than the SD, for all the grief and toxic it has caused. No one is going to tell you to stop being annoyed. That's your right. I also agree, The Second Dream has raised the bar pretty high. It would be sad to see a story quest come along that seemed pale in comparison when there is a lot of potentially juicy lore to be had with the umbra. All I can urge to anyone reading this is patience. It's coming. I have faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Redemption_015 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Grief and Toxin aren't DE's fault. That's how some players choose to respond. Response is purely in the responders' hands. Grief and Toxin aren't DE's fault? Well then how does grief and toxin come to be? Not out of thin air certainly. Whatever path they take, it will displease somebody. Edited January 13, 2016 by (PS4)Redemption_015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Grief and Toxin aren't DE's fault? Well then how does grief and toxin come to be? player expectation vs reality of system and software restriction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatose Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Not really as that is as vague as the other responses. Just maybe elaborate a bit more yes? They can't actually elaborate if it's not finalized - hard to explain an answer you don't actually have. And given how this community deals with any and all changes, a guess - which will likely be changed - will cause people to complain when it's changed, even if they were told from the get-go it wasn't finalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai_Shiba Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Grief and Toxin aren't DE's fault? Well then how would the grief and toxin come to be? By the person responses. Are you seriously saying it's DEs fault? You could be like Tim, but now you're just being like Bob Edited January 13, 2016 by KJRenz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Redemption_015 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 By the person responses. Are you seriously saying it's DEs fault? You could be like Tim, but now you're just being like Bob Didn't recognise the reference. They can't actually elaborate if it's not finalized - hard to explain an answer you don't actually have. After seven months? player expectation vs reality of system and software restriction Touché. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatose Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 After seven months? It took *years* for Focus to go from a drawing board concept to something in game. Literally, years. Seven months ain't that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter13 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Derailing posts cleaned. To quote Silverbones for emphasis: You are free to state whatever you want. You are a consumer and you may exercise your right to consume or not to your desires. But, much like a library who asks people to not talk loudly in their building, it is not impeding on anyone's civil right to remove someone screaming profanity or making unfounded claims about the library's owners ability or loyalties to the customer. That is simply an owner of the premise showing the disruptive person the door so other people can enjoy reading in peace. [...] Voicing your opinion does not immediately mean that you get to do it in a way that insults the developers or other players. I am not saying everyone in this thread has been doing so, but there is a trend in posting that had gone from discussion and feedback to accusation and insults. This holds true under all circumstances; the forums are a place for civil discussion. At no point is disrespectful behavior ever warranted or allowed. Patience is a virtue and respect is a must here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Locking this for review & cleaning. To quote Silverbones for emphasis: This holds true under all circumstances; the forums are a place for civil discussion. At no point is disrespectful behavior ever warranted or allowed. Patience is a virtue and respect is a must here. much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Patience is a virtue and respect is a must here. That is a great point letter, thanks for bringing it up, Respect is a Must, but I can't really agree with how patience is a virtue, have you seen how long people have been waiting for? Tho glad some of the things have been cleaned up! much appreciated Was that necessary Mako? Anyways Onto Topic: I want to ask, and hopefully won't blow up on my face.. What Warframe, whuold you like to see as Umbra? Edited January 13, 2016 by LegionCynex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetos Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Grief and Toxin aren't DE's fault? Well then how does grief and toxin come to be? Not out of thin air certainly. Whatever path they take, it will displease somebody.Disagreement doesn't create Toxin. Immature spoiled people create Toxin. ... .. What Warframe, whuold you like to see as Umbra? all of them. Why would any need to be excluded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Was that necessary Mako? Anyways Onto Topic: I want to ask, and hopefully won't blow up on my face.. What Warframe, whuold you like to see as Umbra? equinox, im intrigued to see its dual nature effects with umbra powers we have discussed at length just showing appreciation, take it as you will all of them. Why would any need to be excluded? might have been asking about ones youd want to see more then others. or your preferred frame Edited January 13, 2016 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Redemption_015 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 equinox, im intrigued to see its dual nature effects with umbra powers we have discussed at length We haven't even seen her Prime yet. That'll probably be the most challenging of them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatose Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Hmm....Equinox just made me have a thought: What if Umbra Excal isn't a frame, but rather an aspect of a Frame? Umbra itself is a new frame, and it changes - probably involuntarily - between all possible Umbras? You choose to play as Umbra, and in mission you switch from Umbra Excal to Umbra Mag to Umbra Volt, depending on what type of damage you receive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Redemption_015 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Hmm....Equinox just made me have a thought: What if Umbra Excal isn't a frame, but rather an aspect of a Frame? Umbra itself is a new frame, and it changes - probably involuntarily - between all possible Umbras? You choose to play as Umbra, and in mission you switch from Umbra Excal to Umbra Mag to Umbra Volt, depending on what type of damage you receive? Hmm. A bit Sentient like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Hmm....Equinox just made me have a thought: What if Umbra Excal isn't a frame, but rather an aspect of a Frame? Umbra itself is a new frame, and it changes - probably involuntarily - between all possible Umbras? You choose to play as Umbra, and in mission you switch from Umbra Excal to Umbra Mag to Umbra Volt, depending on what type of damage you receive? that is very intriguing , so a shape shifter frame that adopts powers of other frames Hmm. A bit Sentient like... a we bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Hmm....Equinox just made me have a thought: What if Umbra Excal isn't a frame, but rather an aspect of a Frame? Umbra itself is a new frame, and it changes - probably involuntarily - between all possible Umbras? You choose to play as Umbra, and in mission you switch from Umbra Excal to Umbra Mag to Umbra Volt, depending on what type of damage you receive? That whuold be cool as hell and well worth the wait Edited January 13, 2016 by LegionCynex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Redemption_015 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 That whuold be cool as hell and well worth the wait As much as it would, we're kind of going back to the godframe theory xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 That whuold be cool as hell and well worth the wait sentient warframe ....hmmm As much as it would, we're kind of going back to the godframe theory xD yea it always just rolls that way dosnt it possibly a basic passive that does damage reduction and changes frames type of damage (power wise) to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Alex_Traffo Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 all of them. Why would any need to be excluded?Dunno, having 3 versions of each warframe seems a bit too much to me. And having Umbra clearly better than Prime or the other way around wouldn't work as the reasons to farm the weaker gear would fall. DE makes a lot of money with Prime Access, so unless we're starting to get Umbra versions for non Primed yet frames I doubt we'll get a full set of Umbra. Excalibur makes sense as there's no Prime version available to everyone, I welcome it, but I see no reasons to make Umbra "a thing", as Steve was saying. Umbraing only a few frames would be bad for fans of the frames left out, but Umbraing them all?? I mean, Prime release can't keep up to standard frames one, can you imagine a double premium release of two different kinds?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetos Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 equinox, im intrigued to see its dual nature effects with umbra powers we have discussed at length just showing appreciation, take it as you will might have been asking about ones youd want to see more then others. or your preferred frameok, then Frost, because he's cool, Volt, because a new look for him would just be shocking, Ember could have a more smoldering look... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptyDevil Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) What responses were those? Devstreams and Twitter responses. I'm not going to go digging them up but people ask about it a lot. Edited January 13, 2016 by EmptyDevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Redemption_015 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 sentient warframe ....hmmm yea it always just rolls that way dosnt it possibly a basic passive that does damage reduction and changes frames type of damage (power wise) to that? More realistic I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Dunno, having 3 versions of each warframe seems a bit too much to me. And having Umbra clearly better than Prime or the other way around wouldn't work as the reasons to farm the weaker gear would fall. DE makes a lot of money with Prime Access, so unless we're starting to get Umbra versions for non Primed yet frames I doubt we'll get a full set of Umbra. Excalibur makes sense as there's no Prime version available to everyone, I welcome it, but I see no reasons to make Umbra "a thing", as Steve was saying. Umbraing only a few frames would be bad for fans of the frames left out, but Umbraing them all?? I mean, Prime release can't keep up to standard frames one, can you imagine a double premium release of two different kinds?? very logical but at same time that would then lead to umbra bieng a frame onto itself, it should have powers that i dont know, standout and make it fun / viable / and useful in game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Redemption_015 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Dunno, having 3 versions of each warframe seems a bit too much to me. And having Umbra clearly better than Prime or the other way around wouldn't work as the reasons to farm the weaker gear would fall. DE makes a lot of money with Prime Access, so unless we're starting to get Umbra versions for non Primed yet frames I doubt we'll get a full set of Umbra. Excalibur makes sense as there's no Prime version available to everyone, I welcome it, but I see no reasons to make Umbra "a thing", as Steve was saying. Umbraing only a few frames would be bad for fans of the frames left out, but Umbraing them all?? I mean, Prime release can't keep up to standard frames one, can you imagine a double premium release of two different kinds?? I always thought it was just Excalibur Umbra. I'm of the same mind that there would be too many frames and not enough room for them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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