(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 umbra types will be an alternative so "Prime = Paladin/Knight of Light Umbra = Dark Knight/Knight of Shadow" this makes sense in all honesty they are to be close to power as a prime but alternative also global umbra =/=china umbra in stat or cosmetics fully the umbras are a sect to themselves, they are what i theorize to be something developed by orokin crossing a line in their science as with trinity prime read as "light in the abyss", well a umbra would be "a shadow devouring the light" or something to that concept its possible umbras could be the final weapon the orokin kept locked up to battle the sentient or an as of yet unknown foe (maybe themselves) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ZammnZaddy Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I hope DE gets the lore right because delaying one frame for 6 months because of lore makes it seem like it will be better than U18 and if it isn't the forums will be dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormdragon Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I hope DE gets the lore right because delaying one frame for 6 months because of lore makes it seem like it will be better than U18 and if it isn't the forums will be dark.They are working on deluxe skins, mission reworks, a brand new unknown coffin frame and chinese stuff. With the lore stuff and the reduced info about umbra system status, and how DE seems to be doing deaf ears to some of the feedback given here on forums, and their mute behaviour while referring to any of the listed topics, I guess the delay will go on even further. Brace yourselves, umbra might not be coming soon regardless of steve's guess 1 month ago. Edited February 8, 2016 by -----LegioN----- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ZammnZaddy Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) They are working on deluxe skins, mission reworks, a brand new unknown coffin frame and chinese stuff. With the lore stuff and the reduced info about umbra system status, and how DE seems to be foing deaf ears to some of the feedback on forums, and their mute behaviour while referring to any of the listed topics, I guess the delay will go on even further. Brace yourselves, umbra might not be coming soon.Well he may come after Saryn Prime or at the same time because Spira prime and nikana prime are coming with her. Edited February 8, 2016 by (PS4)GHOSTBEAST1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormdragon Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Well he may come after Saryn Prime or at the same time because Spira prime and nikana prime are coming with her. Hopefully you're right. Anyways I'd rather be amazed if it happens than disappointed if not. About nikana and spira prime, my bet is those weapons are coming with saryn mostly to avoid delaying this prime access even further. Why to bother on creating new primed items when there is sone already created content waiting to be released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormdragon Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Well he may come after Saryn Prime or at the same time because Spira prime and nikana prime are coming with her. Hopefully you're right. Anyways I'd rather be amazed if it happens than disappointed if not. About nikana and spira prime, my bet is those weapons are coming with saryn mostly to avoid delaying this prime access even further. Why to bother on creating new primed items when there is sone already created content waiting to be released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornWithTeeth Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I hope DE gets the lore right because delaying one frame for 6 months because of lore makes it seem like it will be better than U18 and if it isn't the forums will be dark. Guys, can people please stop making threats about what will happen if Umbra doesn't come out soon enough/doesn't come out the way which you want. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45neo Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 They are working on deluxe skins, mission reworks, a brand new unknown coffin frame and chinese stuff. With the lore stuff and the reduced info about umbra system status, and how DE seems to be doing deaf ears to some of the feedback given here on forums, and their mute behaviour while referring to any of the listed topics, I guess the delay will go on even further. Brace yourselves, umbra might not be coming soon regardless of steve's guess 1 month ago. But what if the coffin, or whatever it was, is a hint as to one of the umbra mechanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 umbra locked away due to fear of its power ? But what if the coffin, or whatever it was, is a hint as to one of the umbra mechanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Alex_Traffo Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I feel like since a month or two anything new or not fully released/shown yet automatically becomes Umbra related for the community! :D Edited February 8, 2016 by siralextraffo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 I feel like since a month or two anything new or not fully released/shown yet automatically becomes Umbra related for the community! :D lol ya i still feel its a vampire, parasite type frame thats locked in a coffin, awaken vampyro ! lol umbra wise i think we are still left in the cold , de still says umbra is the most searched topic so. i hope it get chatted up a least a bit in the next dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormdragon Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I feel like since a month or two anything new or not fully released/shown yet automatically becomes Umbra related for the community! :D My staticor umbra says otherwise >.> On a serious note, that only shows the overhype of some players about umbras, in the same way as there's another part of community on a similar situation about Typhus since long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Alex_Traffo Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 My staticor umbra says otherwise >.> On a serious note, that only shows the overhype of some players about umbras, in the same way as there's another part of community on a similar situation about Typhus since long ago. Uhm, not sure that's still a thing,no one cares anymore. Don't you think Staticor would look gorgeous on Typhus tho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 please be typhus based > . < Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Solargeo Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 please be typhus based > . < it will not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) dont crush my hopes Dx OP edit: added in some new images for stalker vs umbra excal also did some cleanup and added more concepts, proofreading is appreciated Edited February 8, 2016 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoonic Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The fanboy in me wants to say the coffin is umbra related, but the pessimist in me says it's gonna be a mummy frame or something. Which would be kinda interesting but would kick my hype square in the face. (I can dream though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 The fanboy in me wants to say the coffin is umbra related, but the pessimist in me says it's gonna be a mummy frame or something. Which would be kinda interesting but would kick my hype square in the face. (I can dream though) yep, i can safely say i think a few of us are in that boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Alex_Traffo Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The fanboy in me wants to say the coffin is umbra related, but the pessimist in me says it's gonna be a mummy frame or something. Which would be kinda interesting but would kick my hype square in the face. (I can dream though) I'd say more realistic than pessimistic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldnacpeek Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Whatever it is, it's certainly not Typhus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlada91 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 new frame is the transformers xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Whatever it is, it's certainly not Typhus. hope crushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yual Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 a Presentframe? maybe :D! power 4 : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) oh gosh xD didnt see that one commin a thought struck me.... the umbras might be ..sentient made warfarmes > not powered, not same as a sentient....so dont go there lol but constructed by sentients (hunhow?) to fight us the tenno ..... they did know how tenno controlled warframes and about the transference. but they cannot control void energy or be near it (the thing thats in all warframes..) also... but mirage, libo...ect were destroyed right? but we hear echos of the tenno who piloted them..... but they are gone?not dead right..? could these be the umbra tenno? those lost in the war... Edited February 8, 2016 by (XB1)EternalDrk Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vastarov Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 All this talk about Umbra and the Stalker made me change a lot of ideas I had in mind...OK! this is just a theory of mine, but I think "Operation Shadow Debt" and this so called new "Umbra System" are actually pretty tightly intertwined, despite what DE told us (well of course they wouldn't want to spoil the next massive update in story and lore...).SUPER BIG SPOILERS AHEAD (uff...)First, my basic theory (lore-wise) about the true nature of the Stalker. One specific quote from the Acolytes hit me like a truck: "I see you are still their servants."THIS apparently irrelevant sentence by one of the Acolytes (can't remember which one, I hope you'll forgive me) actually gives away A LOT about the true nature of the Acolytes.I already posted a couple of times my theories on the Stalker, but I'll make a quick recap, just in case.The Stalker is not a Tenno, but a freed warframe who managed to cut his ties to the Transference and is now going berserk like a revenant puppet with no strings anymore to bind him.We already saw that frames can act indipendently in the Second Dream, even if just for a while, if their will is strong enough. Well, the Stalker's will is of revenge against the Tenno for the Day of Betrayal (let's call it that), event during which the Tenno killed the Golden Emperors (the Orokin high officials, politicians, kings, rulers... whatever) most probably after realizing they were indoctrinated into being good obedient soldiers after their families were brutally sacrificed in the Zariman 10-0 experiment ("accident"... yeah, sure). Fair enough.Yet the Stalker (the frame) could only see the Orokin as his creators: no Orokin, no warframes. So the feelings about their murder would have been completely different for Tenno and frame - thus a fracture was created between the two, a fracture that has been kept under the surface since the Tenno was still in control.BUT! we can assume that the Stalker and his Tenno were also included in Natah's plan to save her newfound children, so our hunter has been asleep somewhere in a cryogenic unit too.Once awake though - theory hype: ON - the will for revenge of the Stalker was so strong that he could create disturbances in the Transference flow - allowing him to feel the true nature of his existence - and finally break free from the ties that were binding him, starting then to roam the galaxy in his killing frenzy. Now, a tie-in of my theory with Acolytes and the upcoming Umbra. NOW BACK TO THE FACTS!It was very interesting for me to hear that kind of thing from one of the Acolytes ("I see you are still their servants."), since it would make my theory about the Stalker's nature THAT MUCH more believable.We can also assume that the Acolytes are the same as the Stalker: warframes with their own free will who managed to cut their ties with their Tenno.How does all this relate with Umbra?But it's so simple!Why would DE mention the word "System" when referring to Umbra Excalibur? Did they really need to use that word? They could have just called it a new "type" of frames, a new "batch", a new "version", even!But no, they said "System".Here's the evolution of my Stalker/Acolyte thoery: Umbra Warframes are just Warframes.There's no Tenno behind the visor, there's no big mind-operated controller bound to their nervous system.They are free.They are free .You like your Focus System, right? Well: guess what?Umbra Warframes will use another source for their power, another system.What will they be powered with? PURE VOID ENERGY, OF COURSE!Remember the Zenurik school? The "Umbra Lance" we were talking about? That misterious damage type never seen before?BOOM! That's the base of the Umbra Warframes!How will it be implemented in the game? Alongside the solid Operator-System so well built inside the Warframe universe?No idea. Of course. But i'm HYPED AS F*!! just thinking about it! Here's my two cents on the matter. There's a lot of senseless rambling here and there, but I hope you guys will like my theories.And of course dispute them, 'cause that's what makes forums interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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