Sorties Defense - The Least Fun, Worst Designed Mission I have Ever Seen

[BlackCoMerc]

Let me count the ways in which Sortie Defense is a terrible, unfun experience;

-Every enemy is a Bullet Sponge. Even the lowly crewmen. This isnt challenge, its tedium.

-The Roving Human Defense Object:

First: If you're going to make us escort this guy around a map (Spoiler: Dont) then AT LEAST have him do something useful. Is he hacking into enemy systems? Performing acts of Sabotage? No...He is JUST STANDING AROUND LOOKING STUPID. Fine. Get yourself killed for no reason. Why should I care. This is an escort mission. Escort missions have long been the most unfun, tedious, lampooned mission in gaming. This is a laughing stock of game design.

Second: The defense target AI: Doesnt use cover. Doesnt avoid fire. Will stand in the middle of the map, just taking damage. Someone that dumb DESERVES to die. The real test here, should be to see which Tenno are smart enough to abandon his dumb &#! to his much deserved fate.

 

Thought I would try Sorties again after months of not doing them. Was almost immediately reminded of why I quit doing them in the first place: They are an unfun, unbalanced, tedious, poorly designed MESS created to punish people gullible enough to actually believe they might receive a Riven mod and thus some Plat, or to keep just enough Plat flowing from those fortunate few who pull Rivens. Sorties arent fun because they ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE. If they were, we might not buy the things on that rewards list for Plat instead of punishing ourselves with the Sortie experience.

[Fishyflakes]

Looks like someone got too many Anasa Sculptures in a row

[GnarlsDarkley]

Imo the Defense Mission today was extremely fun.

We went as Mesa and Frost public into the mission and stayed next to the Target while the other 2 jumped around, got hit by Radiation and then killed by my 4 while both didn't get why they died (MR20+). We had lots to laugh.

As for your Problem: get some Toxin, bypass the Shields and it would have been easy for you as well.

[-BigB0ss-]

da rant

[Xarteros]

Sometimes it can actually be easier than normal defense.

First of all, he can be revived, infinitely. Depending on the special modifiers of the particular mission, that can be set up really easily. Secondly, IIRC you can Switch Teleport with them, to get them out of the line of fire. Thirdly, them moving about means they can often enter even more defensible areas of the map, rather than the always-open center where defense objectives normally go. Yes, it's tedious when he's out and about, but those points of cover are actually nice sometimes. It really depends on the map again, though, as to how easily he'll lapse into a safer zone.

That said, sometimes it's utterly garbage. Kuva Fortress defense brings all the Robot-Wars style arena damage obstacles, so he tends to just blatantly run through them like a stereotypical schoolgirl in a metaphorical field of posies.

I'd like it to change, but I'm ok with it being a mobile target. He just needs to take cover, or shoot, or be hacking something, as you said.

As for damage, it's easy enough to kill any sortie enemies at any level, under any modifier, if you bring the right tools for the job.

Edited December 15, 2017 by Xarteros

[AlabamaHit]

Left out biggest reason of why they suck.

-Operator falls off cliff wave 8 - 10 (almost done YAY!!!)

MISSION FAILED!!

 

Tenno #1: ............................................wtf happen guys? he was fine.....not even gettting hit.

Tenno #2: operator decided to jump off a cliff.

well crap.

[-Temp0-]

All defense-like missions are boring, doesn't matter if defense ,mobile defense or sortie defense.

At least in soertie you can revive your "objective" and so, don't have to play Frost. God I hate Frost personally. Such a braindead playstyle. At least the AI you can put in the rift or cast Gara's 2 and forget about him for x seconds doing something more fun than babysitting it or the pod. You also could give him hikou prime not so long ago so he also was murdering stuff but unfortunalety I think it was nerfed.

[Bipp]

32 minutes ago, BlackCoMerc said:

First: If you're going to make us escort this guy around a map (Spoiler: Dont) then AT LEAST have him do something useful. Is he hacking into enemy systems? Performing acts of Sabotage? No...He is JUST STANDING AROUND LOOKING STUPID.

You can give them your secondary weapon to shoot with. IIRC they take and use them with the exact stats and mods that you have which means you can set him up to be a pretty decent CC/utility assist with a weapon like Pox modded with Corrosive/Blast.

 

[BlackCoMerc]

7 minutes ago, Keybopsef said:

You can give them your secondary weapon to shoot with. IIRC they take and use them with the exact stats and mods that you have which means you can set him up to be a pretty decent CC/utility assist with a weapon like Pox modded with Corrosive/Blast.

 

Sure you could. And that would be ok.

Except that your job is to keep them alive. And they go out of their way to make this overly difficult. Standing in the enemy line of fire, refusing to even attempt self preservation...its just a badly designed experience. In terms of world building, immersion, and even mechanically and in terms of playability, this has to be one of the worst missions I have ever seen. In any game. Ever.

[(XBOX)CannyJack]

Agreed. If Defense is in the sortie, the sortie gets skipped. Also Spy, Interception, Survival, Sabotage, or Excavation. I don't even know if Defection is one of the options, but if so, that one gets skipped.

Basically, I only do sorties that are a combination of Mobile Defense, Exterminate, and Assassinate. 

[BlackCoMerc]

Just now, (Xbox One)CannyJack said:

Agreed. If Defense is in the sortie, the sortie gets skipped. Also Spy, Interception, Survival, Sabotage, or Excavation. I don't even know if Defection is one of the options, but if so, that one gets skipped.

Basically, I only do sorties that are a combination of Mobile Defense, Exterminate, and Assassinate. 

You could not pay me enough to do a Sortie Spy or Survival. Interception...sure. Nyx Prime, Nova Prime, maybe a Trinity and/or Banshee. You dont need to kill to win those. Just shut off enemies.

Which is the main problem with Sorties: Enemies here arent meant to be engaged. They are meant to be cheesed into non-existence by grossly overpowered players. 

I want to FIGHT enemies in end game activities, not stare at them while I stand there waiting on countdowns. And these overly armored bullet sponges just are not fun to engage. ITs not challenge, its just tedium.

[Bipp]

6 minutes ago, BlackCoMerc said:

Sure you could. And that would be ok.

Except that your job is to keep them alive. And they go out of their way to make this overly difficult. Standing in the enemy line of fire, refusing to even attempt self preservation...its just a badly designed experience. In terms of world building, immersion, and even mechanically and in terms of playability, this has to be one of the worst missions I have ever seen. In any game. Ever.

Guess I'm just nitpicking on them being useless as that's quite far from the truth. I do agree that the AI is garbage and needs some serious work.

[Phobonaut]

1 hour ago, (Xbox One)CannyJack said:

Agreed. If Defense is in the sortie, the sortie gets skipped. Also Spy, Interception, Survival, Sabotage, or Excavation. I don't even know if Defection is one of the options, but if so, that one gets skipped.

Basically, I only do sorties that are a combination of Mobile Defense, Exterminate, and Assassinate. 

I'm sorry I'm not trying to be a $&*^, but this is just hilarious. I can't stop laughing.

[(XBOX)CannyJack]

Oh, go ahead and laugh. My “Sortie Policy” is fairly silly, but it keeps me sane. 

Basically, since I’m gonna get a statue anyway, I don’t feel like working for it. 

Edited December 16, 2017 by (XB1)CannyJack

[(XBOX)JadePsychoMamba]

Such children.  All you need is the right squad of people.  And people who can put together enough creativity to get around the nasty conditions put in place for each round.  Even the Enemy Armor Enhancement can be subverted with enough forethought.  Corrosive Projection lowers enemy armor by 30% when maxed.  An aura mod that when used by 4 players reduces them to less than before the boost.

 Eximus Stronghold is probably one of the most intimidating conditions, but still far from being impossible.  Warframe collaborations and weapon use can overcome all of the different eximus.  Even the annoying Leech and Parasite eximus.

Spy missions are only complained about because you actually have to put some effort in to sneaking around and avoiding all the alarm trippers.  And you can't use a cipher hack to cheat your way through.  One of my clan mates solod a Sortie Spy with Energy Reduction.  He was using Loki Prime so that meant he had less energy for invisibility.  But he did it all on his own.  Just need to try and be smart.

Sortie is supposed to be a challenge.  And obviously it has revealed those who would rather wait for someone else to do the hard work for them.  Doesn't hurt us.  This is how we can make platinum.

[-Temp0-]

В 16.12.2017 в 05:43, (Xbox One)CannyJack сказал:

Agreed. If Defense is in the sortie, the sortie gets skipped. Also Spy, Interception, Survival, Sabotage, or Excavation. I don't even know if Defection is one of the options, but if so, that one gets skipped.

Basically, I only do sorties that are a combination of Mobile Defense, Exterminate, and Assassinate. 

Can save yourself some troubles and not play at all.

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Such children.  All you need is the right squad of people.

Ya don't.

All you need is to think before doing (something). If you just want to forget about the AI bring Limbo and rift him. If you want something more proactive bring gara or mesa for example or Trinity. It literally takes only you as a player to make a difference.

Edited December 16, 2017 by -Temp0-

[(XBOX)JadePsychoMamba]

8 minutes ago, -Temp0- said:

Can save yourself some troubles and not play at all.

Ya don't.

All you need is to think before doing (something). If you just want to forget about the AI bring Limbo and rift him. If you want something more proactive bring gara or mesa for example or Trinity. It literally takes only you as a player to make a difference.

You make the better point with it being you, the player.

[(XBOX)CannyJack]

13 hours ago, -Temp0- said:

Can save yourself some troubles and not play at all.

Hey now. The point of Warframe may be to slavishly grind every available mission at all times, but the reason I play is to take my mind off things and have fun.

If it's not fun, then I don't do it, and potential good rewards aren't enough (they're necessary, but not sufficient). It's not that I lack the tools or the know-how to do them. It's that, having done them, it turned out I didn't have a ton of fun. At that point, the solution is left to the reader. 

[-Temp0-]

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Hey now. The point of Warframe may be to slavishly grind every available mission at all times, but the reason I play is to take my mind off things and have fun.

Well you're taking your selectiviness way too far. To the point of it being ridiculous. That's all.

[Endorphinz]

23 hours ago, (Xbox One)CannyJack said:

Oh, go ahead and laugh. My “Sortie Policy” is fairly silly, but it keeps me sane. 

Basically, since I’m gonna get a statue anyway, I don’t feel like working for it. 

The reason I think he was laughing at you was because you choose not to do defense missions, but you think Assassination missions are easier. Assassinations are widely considered the most painful missions, depending on the boss D:

[Phobonaut]

Kind of a $&*^ move to just laugh at people, I know - but when you gotta laugh, you gotta laugh.

Here's a trick on how to make defense sorties (without rad procs mind you) pretty easy. Get a Sonicor with max fire rate and good damage. Give it to the defense target. There, you're done. Everything that gets near your defense target is now ragdolling FOREVER.

[Ajwf]

Or you give him twin gratakas and he just annihilates everyone... I swear to god with every other weapon the AI plays like a vegetable. With the gratakas, they replace the defense target with Clem. 

Just play Rhino along side a moving defense target. Rhino+Trinity, or even just Rhino, will keep the enemies CC'd with 4 forever and nothing can ever touch him anymore. Trinity has her heal+energy for Rhino.