Zareek Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I will chant my frustrations about this until the day you address it. There are SO many things in game we currently cant colour black because of PBR. At best it's just medium dark grey. And don't tell me it's for realistic reasons, because metal CAN be coloured black. I dont know how clear it will be in this image, but you can see it for yourselves if you have the same items: Rakta Ballistica, GREY Targis Prime (expensive as hell cosmetic): middle part, GREY Weapon skin: GREY Ash: BLACK It's pretty obvious that PBR is flawed in this regard, and quite frankly I think it's unacceptable. It looks like a slow and painful process to PBR everything, but then at least finish PBR before you do this. I really dont want to wait another year to be able to colour my stuff the colours I desire. -rage mod deactivated- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleyrion Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 All PBR I saw could be colored black only the "non PBR" reflective stuff had this white glow to it (like my soma was white before they PBR'ed it now it's black) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zareek Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) All PBR I saw could be colored black only the "non PBR" reflective stuff had this white glow to it (like my soma was white before they PBR'ed it now it's black) I was told the exact opposite numerous times! I hope you are right though. Edit: I also used to be able to colour Rakta Ballistica black, but NOW it can't. It also looks a lot more warm and shiney in the dark red, which it did not before, implying it IS PBR. Edited June 16, 2015 by Zareek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaftMeat Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Are you using the blackest black from the Smoke pack, Jack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleyrion Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Don't know about the Prisma Grakata but I think this is how PBR should look like (anything other I consider a bug (when it's really PBR and not the old stuff^^)) Yellow Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zareek Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Are you using the blackest black from the Smoke pack, Jack? Yeah I am, and the very light red on my Targis Prime is also a very very dark red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon_J Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esapto Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 its a physics based material, that's how it would look like if it had that color (dyed) in real life, not everything can be black like that. PBR just means they are using a texture (or whatever the right term is) that simulates a real life material by using the correct values, it's not a system by it self and its not flawed. What I'm saying is: the material they chose for those weapons/armor can't be completely black, it always reflects lights. black + white reflections = gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE]Steve Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Sorry about that - we'll get this fixed up on those items! In defense of my crappy new shaders, this isn't a PBR problem, it's a problem in the tint mask texture! Both old (blinn phong) and new (PBR/GGX) shaders added specular reflections on black tinted materials for sure but the problem with these items is the tint mask that applies your black color choice wasn't fully opaque... artist missed a setting to include the alpha (4th color slot) to the tint mask. We'll get it fixed up for ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCatLad Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Need Braton and Paris Primes to be colorable!!! @Steve plz!!! (I mean that nicely.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostBittenHero Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Will exal prime get some PBR too Come on, Steve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkanfell Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 PBR for excal prime sounds nice. Hope it happens eventualy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubbi Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 +1 Also been waiting for the gray colors which are supposed to be black to be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanescent Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Thanks Steve! Any thoughts on making Prime gold more metal-like? For example the Tonbo's blade. That's a spectacular metallic texture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zareek Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Sorry about that - we'll get this fixed up on those items! In defense of my crappy new shaders, this isn't a PBR problem, it's a problem in the tint mask texture! Both old (blinn phong) and new (PBR/GGX) shaders added specular reflections on black tinted materials for sure but the problem with these items is the tint mask that applies your black color choice wasn't fully opaque... artist missed a setting to include the alpha (4th color slot) to the tint mask. We'll get it fixed up for ya! Really appreciate it Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valiant Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Sorry about that - we'll get this fixed up on those items! In defense of my crappy new shaders, this isn't a PBR problem, it's a problem in the tint mask texture! Both old (blinn phong) and new (PBR/GGX) shaders added specular reflections on black tinted materials for sure but the problem with these items is the tint mask that applies your black color choice wasn't fully opaque... artist missed a setting to include the alpha (4th color slot) to the tint mask. We'll get it fixed up for ya! Please tell me it's not going to ruin the 'quality' of the PBR we currently have. The current quality of PBR compared to the old shiny-ness we had before - particularly when it comes to Prime gold - is very lacking (and apparently still not effectively recognized by dev's despite countless topics), and when we were given black energy the quality and depth of powers effects were also seemingly downgraded to compensate. Again, a few topics exist for these concerns as well with little to no feedback. I find a few of the power effects look like opaque paint lines or splatters. Nvidia Physx is also sorely missed. Edited June 16, 2015 by Naith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digidyne017 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Sorry about that - we'll get this fixed up on those items! In defense of my crappy new shaders, this isn't a PBR problem, it's a problem in the tint mask texture! Both old (blinn phong) and new (PBR/GGX) shaders added specular reflections on black tinted materials for sure but the problem with these items is the tint mask that applies your black color choice wasn't fully opaque... artist missed a setting to include the alpha (4th color slot) to the tint mask. We'll get it fixed up for ya! When PBR released I didn't like the new "black" metallic color, but over time, I've grown attached to it. Especially on my Sybaris and Penta. And I can bet that other players would think the same thing too. If the change is made to "correct" this issue, is it possible to give us a PBR palette in the same manner of the Gamma Palette since it was palette in response as an apology for people who played the game under incorrect color rendering? I'd love to see PBR as its own palette, and for other players to have it so we can see the cool color designs for our weapons and warframes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDSK-NXS Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 This had been bothering my from a long time, why does Penta, Cestra, Obex, have metallic views but never a black one. I hope you find a way to fix this DE, I'm counting on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiosGX Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) I'd really love to actually be able to play a black Chroma... it's funny than the colors frame can't actually be black. :P EDIT: Wow. That... that sounded pretty racist. ... ... yup. o3o Edited June 16, 2015 by DiosGX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawGritz Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Sorry about that - we'll get this fixed up on those items! In defense of my crappy new shaders, this isn't a PBR problem, it's a problem in the tint mask texture! Both old (blinn phong) and new (PBR/GGX) shaders added specular reflections on black tinted materials for sure but the problem with these items is the tint mask that applies your black color choice wasn't fully opaque... artist missed a setting to include the alpha (4th color slot) to the tint mask. We'll get it fixed up for ya! Oh nice! A thousand thanks. Edited June 16, 2015 by RawGritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)MoRockaPDX Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I'll have to post a pic, but it is funny how much highlight comes off the black. My Excalibur looks like a freaking black diamond. Bling to the max, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void_Vis_Vires Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Will exal prime get some PBR too Come on, Steve! PBR for excal prime sounds nice. Hope it happens eventualy. PLEASEEEEEE ANSWER THIS STEVE! With Excal rework this seem like a better time then ever, and im worried if it doesnt happen now that hes getting so much attention it could potentially be a really long time. Any answer will do, I just really wanna know if you all plan to do this for the rework or if it is planned to happen a little further down the line. Save us Steve! lol Also thanks for all your hard work , I really do appreciate it, I am really enjoying the new syandana physics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeenageGirlVodkaPuke Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Thank you Steve, I hope the black = grey gets fixed too. Edited June 16, 2015 by _Anti_Freeze_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidathe Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 When PBR released I didn't like the new "black" metallic color, but over time, I've grown attached to it. Especially on my Sybaris and Penta. And I can bet that other players would think the same thing too. If the change is made to "correct" this issue, is it possible to give us a PBR palette in the same manner of the Gamma Palette since it was palette in response as an apology for people who played the game under incorrect color rendering? I'd love to see PBR as its own palette, and for other players to have it so we can see the cool color designs for our weapons and warframes. You could probably just replicate it with a grayscale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfScrugging Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Sorry about that - we'll get this fixed up on those items! In defense of my crappy new shaders, this isn't a PBR problem, it's a problem in the tint mask texture! Both old (blinn phong) and new (PBR/GGX) shaders added specular reflections on black tinted materials for sure but the problem with these items is the tint mask that applies your black color choice wasn't fully opaque... artist missed a setting to include the alpha (4th color slot) to the tint mask. We'll get it fixed up for ya! when everything get's PBR'd will we possibly get a color pallet that gives off a matte finish? like if i want to use pitch black, the shine really just kills the look since it looks like you're just wearing latex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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