Nightwave feedback for this week

[Zilotz]

Hello!

I wish to discuss some of nightwave acts that appeared this week.

One is complicated for me - unlock 4 derelict vaults, it would take long hours to do.

And one is almost impossible(for me) - complete 6 perfect animal captures as the only way i can capture creatures is using abilities.

All others aren't hard at all.

Is it possible to make them double acts like "Unlock 4 derelict vaults OR (do a 60 min survival or any top rank act instead of middle rank)"?

 

[trunks013]

you can't recruit for derelicts vault ?

Btw i dont find them fun either ^.^ 

[(XBOX)Skippy575]

Have you tried running vaults with a group? Should take you 20 min tops.

[WhiteMarker]

4 minutes ago, Zilotz said:

One is complicated for me - unlock 4 derelict vaults, it would take long hours to do.

It takes exactly 4 runs. You know how? Recruit Chat.

4 minutes ago, Zilotz said:

And one is almost impossible(for me) - complete 6 perfect animal captures as the only way i can capture creatures is using abilities.

Loki with Hushed Invis let's you easily perfect captures.

5 minutes ago, Zilotz said:

Is it possible to make them double acts like "Unlock 4 derelict vaults OR (do a 60 min survival or any top rank act instead of middle rank)"?

Or maybe think about how to approach the challenges and be smart about doing them.

[krc473]

8 minutes ago, Zilotz said:

unlock 4 derelict vaults, it would take long hours to do.

You do realise that you are allowed to take all the keys now? If it is going to take hours there might be a different issue.

 

Perfect captures are easy with an Ivara. You just stand inside a Cloak Arrow bubble. Call the animal and get your tranq gun ready, then you just need to hit it once. Verminks will probably be the best option.

Edited July 29, 2019 by krc473

[trunks013]

1 minute ago, krc473 said:

You do realise that you are allowed to take all the keys now? If it is going to take hours there might be a different issue.

 

Perfect captures are easy with an Ivara. You just stand inside a Cloak Arrow bubble. Call the animal and get your trans gun ready, then you just need to hit it once. Verminks will probably be the best option.

Wait what ? we can take all the keys now ! thats amazing thanks for the intel m8 ^.^  

[krc473]

Just now, trunks013 said:

Wait what ? we can take all the keys now ! thats amazing thanks for the intel m8 ^.^  

Yep, we have been able to for a while. DE accidentally let us do it a while back. It was a bug, but got to keep it because it makes runs so much better.

[(PSN)santospizarro]

honestly thinking thre should be some added rewards and mods which point at syndicates and archwing and prime warframes comparing to regular warframes to fix that discrepancy like new abilities or attacks for each of them would take a little while to make something simple would be more ideal to get keys for redlockers in the form of keycards and cipher for some planets only and then putting new BPs and cephalon or scans data inthose vaults or other rewards like resources, affinity boosters and augmentations so players stay in the levels fighting and exploring and doing WORLD or PLANET related rewards based on the keys they find, this can trigger the addition and rework of tilesets, new enemies, assasins, and syndicate rewards improved, although lunaro and pvp also are well hideen and lack crossing over as of yet, i hope this helps, also thinking that the radio can feature some music,  and ambient additions, i like to AFK with the radio open while studying in the orbiter, thankyou. its difficult because the orbiter only gets better once the player has gone really far into the game, so all the somachords and collectable oddities aren;t usable until later, so ship customization its really inhibited and hidden to most players and this is affecting the market for DE honestly i hope the rework of the orbiter allows for arsenal to include a radio or ambiance, i like green plants i havent got those yet, it would be cool if the replayable missions and bounties had some SOFT REWARDS for each planet and mission type for the orbiter and players to allocate, it can be like more stuff for the virtua figher and themes, palettes and lighting or chairs, floofs, all unlocked by replaying or scannnig enemies, or enduring fights, or visiting and opening areas in the map with keys, playing with a dragon key or watever is not obvious enough or rewarding to most players so most people dont use them at all, they are really fun and should be encouraged, also the rewards are still too small and lenghty, i did like doing the damage types tests, but earning points wasn't enough of a rewards towards taht 10k box which should also contain some unknown or mysterious items added, that completing any task also give a few resources, credits and mods occasionally where befiting for new players to get excited over the radio you need to weave in the bounties with board parts, pvp, and pve.

[Gabbynaru]

The Derelict one can be done solo.. 4 capture keys, all dragon keys equipped at once, done. Shouldn't take too long.

The animals one is really annoying. Used to be you could capture 6 pobbers and be done with it, but no, now they want 6 unique captures, that's at least 2 animals and pray to Nef that none of the three version repeat spawn, or 6 different animals. Took me 40 some minutes to do it, and it was just a borefest. Another example that Nightwave is made to waste your time and run your patience into the ground. Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

[WhiteMarker]

1 minute ago, Gabbynaru said:

The Derelict one can be done solo.. 4 capture keys, all dragon keys equipped at once, done. Shouldn't take too long.

The animals one is really annoying. Used to be you could capture 6 pobbers and be done with it, but no, now they want 6 unique captures, that's at least 2 animals and pray to Nef that none of the three version repeat spawn, or 6 different animals. Took me 40 some minutes to do it, and it was just a borefest. Another example that Nightwave is made to waste your time and run your patience into the ground. Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

Did you know that you don't have to do every single mission? Amazing, isn't it?
YOU wanted to do the challenge. Don't complain about it.

[(PSN)santospizarro]

6 minutes ago, WhiteMarker said:

It takes exactly 4 runs. You know how? Recruit Chat.

Loki with Hushed Invis let's you easily perfect captures.

Or maybe think about how to approach the challenges and be smart about doing them.

what i want to see is that these submissions reward some cosmetic or floofs added that are related to the mission type and planet, it can be some additional enemies or that a specter or assasin shows up to support the factions maybe the syndicate get involved and allow a robot to join you in free-roaming missions but only temporarily, honestly how about more modes for the regular and prime equips/warframes, like average joe volt enemy specter shows up and drops peoples jaws but has really good drops on scan and defeat but could be captured instead of just assasinated for BPs or new weapons that the player can get, an omen!!! then you hear a KAWWW or MOOO and a bunch of kuva appear and/or condrocs robots or kundruc infested bunnies, and they can be made into octopets and robots for the robotics and titans to use, i have not had my coffee today.

[Gabbynaru]

1 minute ago, WhiteMarker said:

Did you know that you don't have to do every single mission? Amazing, isn't it?
YOU wanted to do the challenge. Don't complain about it.

Oh look, another "Don't play the game" comment. Can't you guys come up with something that at least makes some semblance of sense? Tell DE you encouraged players to stop playing, see how they react, then come back to me with these absolutely retarded arguments.

[WhiteMarker]

Just now, Gabbynaru said:

Oh look, another "Don't play the game" comment. Can't you guys come up with something that at least makes some semblance of sense? Tell DE you encouraged players to stop playing, see how they react, then come back to me with these absolutely retarded arguments.

Please, calm down.
Never did I say that you should stop playing. I said that the NW system is designed so that you don't have to do every challenge. If you don't feel like doing one, then just don't do it. But if you want to do it, then don't cry about how it's DE's fault that you wanted to do it. They didn't make you do it. They just suggested it to you to get the shiny stuff quicker.
If you say, that you have to do all the NW challenges, then you surely do every single sortie, every single fissure, every single normal mission, everything all the time, because it's there and because DE forces you to do all that stuff.

[Gabbynaru]

Just now, WhiteMarker said:

Please, calm down.
Never did I say that you should stop playing. I said that the NW system is designed so that you don't have to do every challenge. If you don't feel like doing one, then just don't do it. But if you want to do it, then don't cry about how it's DE's fault that you wanted to do it. They didn't make you do it. They just suggested it to you to get the shiny stuff quicker.
If you say, that you have to do all the NW challenges, then you surely do every single sortie, every single fissure, every single normal mission, everything all the time, because it's there and because DE forces you to do all that stuff.

As I said before, I used to be able to do the perfect conservation act by just putting 6 pobbers to sleep. Some 5 minutes at best. I went in expecting that, and got something completely different that took me over 40 minutes to complete. So, yeah... Can I complain since I don't like the change? You must have complained about changes in the past yourself, so I have a similar right. And while I'm at it, can I complain about them changing the Alerts to Nightwave? Don't really like that change either, to be honest. Yeah, Alerts weren't great, but Nightwave is worse.

...So now that you see my line of thinking, how about we stop this silly bickering? DE made this mode to be played and would likely want it to be played as much as possible. You telling people not to play Nightwave is going counter to DE's corporate desires. No, there's no literal gun to my head to force me to play Nightwave, but, that's no excuse for the appalling quality of the system. They want my money? I expect a higher quality product than this.

[(PSN)santospizarro]

20 minutes ago, Gabbynaru said:

The Derelict one can be done solo.. 4 capture keys, all dragon keys equipped at once, done. Shouldn't take too long.

The animals one is really annoying. Used to be you could capture 6 pobbers and be done with it, but no, now they want 6 unique captures, that's at least 2 animals and pray to Nef that none of the three version repeat spawn, or 6 different animals. Took me 40 some minutes to do it, and it was just a borefest. Another example that Nightwave is made to waste your time and run your patience into the ground. Terrible. Absolutely terrible.

what i like about nightwave is that its not required, and the operator/announcer i forget her name, nora is really upbeat and could do a few more in the future, but that one reward where it gave me like a whole warframe and catalyst it was like 200units, i dont remember but some rewards are really undesirable or not that exciting and probably should be switched over to be check-up and participation rewards for completing at least 1 or two bounties from the radio, it would be good to see the syndicates join and that there be other eidolons and announcements shoutcast and music added, we do hear some enemies talk but they dont really make room for ambushes for more targets like the assasins that show up randomly which can be defeated and i think have some treasure or sword but are not guaranteed without much of option scanning the beast should be enough to collect some particle data to transpose into new equipment and weapons mods, endo, this way the scanner becomes more useful, cephalons discovered should also translate into faction points or other rewards for players, if an enemy is guarding it it should be bestrowed with some power if they carry it so that they have a reason to flee the planet or appear enrage aughmented, the redlockers are a particular example for a good place to put aughmented ammunitions and weapons or BPs that can be related to the areas or pastie mods with some temporary function, the regular lockers should give access codes and discounts as well as REDkeys for opening RED lockers which can contain cosmetics, affinity boosters and elongate exploring or farming in missions, farming is an example of good gameplay, but it lacks variety and reward yup, and a decent amount of enemies who give a damn about the resources, its beyond me, but i hope the radio can also carry some information on the weather and eidolon/pvp/and syndicate in the future so to announce in the orbiter to not just use the NAV to get to a mission but use the bounties she present to launch or start a mission, the same goes for the relics and kubrow which lack transparency and quickmatche, i would like it so that the players loading screens, visual improved music and animations are added when flying, the relays also a godo place for the nightwave players to simply visit for a reward, withouyt being forced into a lenghty mission, just something chill where she can talk about pvp/pve and weapons, nora can talk mods and enemies too unless you want to appoint a specialist to the relay or syndicates to do so, simaris already colelcts alot fo the monsters and scans but it can be that trading mods in relay with simaris or darvo at a reduced price to transfuse those will have a random polarity or augment based on the relay you are using or planet might have a detriment or not be perfect this way players can choose which npc they want to workship more, random rolls for the foundry and BPs if you knowq what i mean?

Edited July 29, 2019 by (PS4)santospizarro

[(PSN)Elvenbane]

2 minutes ago, WhiteMarker said:

I said that the NW system is designed so that you don't have to do every challenge. If you don't feel like doing one, then just don't do it.

I wonder what improvements could be made to the NW presentation so that this is made abundantly clear. I think people don't feel great about leaving boxes unchecked, I know I don't.

I'm choosing to skip the perfect capture chore this week; it really annoys me that I'm reminded of it every time I use the pause menu and will be until season 2 ends. It's basically complete new weeklies in 2-3 hours on Sunday and then be pestered with "hey, you gonna capture rodents in OV" for the rest of the week.

 

[(PSN)santospizarro]

8 minutes ago, (PS4)Elvenbane said:

I wonder what improvements could be made to the NW presentation so that this is made abundantly clear. I think people don't feel great about leaving boxes unchecked, I know I don't.

I'm choosing to skip the perfect capture chore this week; it really annoys me that I'm reminded of it every time I use the pause menu and will be until season 2 ends. It's basically complete new weeklies in 2-3 hours on Sunday and then be pestered with "hey, you gonna capture rodents in OV" for the rest of the week.

 

maybe they can reroll a challenge or reward in the future?

Edited July 29, 2019 by (PS4)santospizarro
guns should have infested bullets....

[(PSN)santospizarro]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)santospizarro said:

maybe they can reroll a challenge or reward in the future?

maybe

Edited July 29, 2019 by (PS4)santospizarro
blades of maybe, like a BP of a hhamburger its not a floof please and pb donughtsss, really big doughnuts to defeat, they are infested.

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

i just put all keys on and bullet jump

[(XBOX)Zweimander]

Inaros with all the keys and a well built catchmoon on Derelect capture can solo all the vaults easily so long as your good with movement. Also Ivara trivialized perfect captures.Both are extremely easy to do even solo and if you have played the game long enough to kill the ropadopalist and struggle with such simple things perhaps you still have some growth to do as a player and improve your builds to be able to solo all the content in the game. So in other words learn the things you cant do and try what I said out and then tell me if the tasks are to hard... It's pretty simple stuff after all so it shouldn't be an issue right?

[(XBOX)Zweimander]

1 hour ago, (PS4)Elvenbane said:

I wonder what improvements could be made to the NW presentation so that this is made abundantly clear. I think people don't feel great about leaving boxes unchecked, I know I don't.

I'm choosing to skip the perfect capture chore this week; it really annoys me that I'm reminded of it every time I use the pause menu and will be until season 2 ends. It's basically complete new weeklies in 2-3 hours on Sunday and then be pestered with "hey, you gonna capture rodents in OV" for the rest of the week.

 

You can do it in less then 30 minutes with some game sense and Ivara... your just bad at conservation by the sounds of it.

[(PSN)Elvenbane]

1 hour ago, (XB1)Zweimander said:

You can do it in less then 30 minutes with some game sense and Ivara... your just bad at conservation by the sounds of it.

I definitely can do it, I did the 10 perfect captures for season 1, got a PSN trophy to prove it, lol. I think conservation is even less enjoyable than leveling a k-drive so I won't do it again, why should I? I'm sure DE keeps track of chore completion rates, just doing my part to influence future seasons.

[(XBOX)Zweimander]

5 hours ago, (PS4)Elvenbane said:

I definitely can do it, I did the 10 perfect captures for season 1, got a PSN trophy to prove it, lol. I think conservation is even less enjoyable than leveling a k-drive so I won't do it again, why should I? I'm sure DE keeps track of chore completion rates, just doing my part to influence future seasons.

Fair enough you just made it sound like you couldnt do it is all. Best of luck on your attempt to get it out of the challenge pool I suppose XD

[(PSN)Elvenbane]

10 hours ago, (XB1)Zweimander said:

Fair enough you just made it sound like you couldnt do it is all. Best of luck on your attempt to get it out of the challenge pool I suppose XD

Thanks, I failed already. Update today didn't have anything to do after starting Quatz building so I caved to the "Pssst...buddy, go hunt vermin" dialog on the pause menu. :(

Interestingly enough, the 10 perfect capture trophy is "ultra-rare" .3% completion, so pretty unpopular mini-game for DE's efforts to add it, probably why this chore exists...

[Zilotz]

21 hours ago, krc473 said:

You do realise that you are allowed to take all the keys now?

Didn't know it was possible, thanks!