Kuva Lich Impossible?

[ForbiddenAlias]

Ok so recently i just learned the hard way, what a kuva lich was. I had no idea what they were and when mine first showed up i thought it was some seasonal quest thing i could just ignore. Apperently not. So I looked it up to get some information and it seemed relatively easy to get rid of. Boy was i wrong. So I started running the required missions to kill the kuva lich thralls to get mumurs so i could figure out what requiem mods and in which order would i need to permently solve my problem. the first two clues came easy enough and i thought i was well on my way to the finish. My Lich had appeared 3 time in my search for murmurs and each time went down with out much trouble. I was aware the more you anger your Lich the higher thier level stacks. So im now to the point at which my Lich has expanded to other planets and i have to follow to get murmurs. My first choice was a Mars exterminate (how hard could it be?). 20 seconds into the mission my Lich shows up and mops the floor with me and my squad. after having to use 3 revives we finally knock her. So we advance to the end of the mission which was harder than i thought it would be for a simple exterminate that i have run many times before. However the mission after that is in which the Lich missions are know just unplayable. Me and a squad of randoms drop in for our usual search of mumurs and we get absolutely lasered by the first 3 grineer marines we meet. These some how god tier grineer are almost invincible. they require 20+ hit from melee to kill and they can murder with only a few shots so u can imagine  my horror of trying to fight more than 1 much less 8-10. My entire squad is forced to bail as we ran out of revives and barely dented the enemy. I have tried every warframe i own and i still can't evn go toe to toe with a grineer marine. their level bar says 80-90 avg, but i've gone on missions 90-100 and come out just fine. So why are these missions so hard? I have failed 22 consectutive missions against  my Lich which has effectively cut me off from 3 planets. How am i supposed to compete? i just hit mastery rank 9 and barely have any decent mods (2 primed and about 11 gold for my frames) I'm just a casual player that likes to run a few missions after work and mess around with friends. How am i supposed to enjoy a game when i have an adversary only i can get rid of but i can't even kill her foot soldier. 

[taiiat]

3 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

their level bar says 80-90 avg, but i've gone on missions 90-100 and come out just fine. So why are these missions so hard?

my Lich which has effectively cut me off from 3 planets.

presumably, in other Missions Enemies were being CC'ed or something of the sort that they were not in the Lich Missions.

while Liches are introduced to Players too early, no, your Lich hasn't cut you off from any places. Liches are effectively incapable of having a significant impact to your Solar Map. worst case scenario is that once in a while it might steal some Specter Blueprints or some of other 'more special' Resources. but the Lich can't actually block you from anything.

[krc473]

3 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

So we advance to the end of the mission which was harder than i thought it would be for a simple exterminate that i have run many times before

Except it isn't the one you have run before. Lich missions are selected separately and have a much higher level. So you really should have accounted for that. The game tells you this before you start the mission. If you don't read the information it is kinda your fault. Yes, I understand that you may not realise how it would be on your first run or two.

5 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

So why are these missions so hard?

Honestly? It sounds like your builds are the issue. I have not failed one yet, I cannot understand how anyone that is appropriately geared could (mistakes excluded of course).

6 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

i just hit mastery rank 9 and barely have any decent mods (2 primed and about 11 gold for my frames)

This is not very specific. Perhaps share what builds you have for the gear you are using. Those mods are pretty useless when unranked for example. We don't know what the issue is if you don't show the builds.

[ForbiddenAlias]

Just now, taiiat said:

presumably, in other Missions Enemies were being CC'ed or something of the sort that they were not in the Lich Missions.

while Liches are introduced to Players too early, no, your Lich hasn't cut you off from any places. Liches are effectively incapable of having a significant impact to your Solar Map. worst case scenario is that once in a while it might steal some Specter Blueprints or some of other 'more special' Resources. but the Lich can't actually block you from anything.

i don't mean blocked as in i can't play the mission i mean i physicly cannot pass the mission,i get murdered

[krc473]

1 minute ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

i don't mean blocked as in i can't play the mission i mean i physicly cannot pass the mission,i get murdered

The Lich mission is separate. Pick the normal one and you will be fine.

Edited April 11, 2020 by krc473
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[ForbiddenAlias]

1 minute ago, krc473 said:

Except it isn't the one you have run before. Lich missions are selected separately and have a much higher level. So you really should have accounted for that. The game tells you this before you start the mission. If you don't read the information it is kinda your fault. Yes, I understand that you may not realise how it would be on your first run or two.

Honestly? It sounds like your builds are the issue. I have not failed one yet, I cannot understand how anyone that is appropriately geared could (mistakes excluded of course).

This is not very specific. Perhaps share what builds you have for the gear you are using. Those mods are pretty useless when unranked for example. We don't know what the issue is if you don't show the builds.

What i'm trying to at here is i'm an inexprienced player (which im sure you have firgured out by now) I don't fully understand every game mechanic. I physically do not have the capacity to fix my problem so why wasn't there an option to just not do it. like nto start a quest because you know your not ready. this feels forced and i don't have the resources to stop it. If i had been given an option saying wether or not i would like to have Kuva Lich as a game option i would have said no as its just not for me. But i don't get a choice im just stuck with it.

[ForbiddenAlias]

8 minutes ago, krc473 said:

The Lich mission is separate. Pick the normal one and you will be fine.

But i will still get taxed, why can't i just turn the Lich off, i don't care about the rewards or anything i just want it gone because i can't stop it myself

 

[ForbiddenAlias]

11 minutes ago, krc473 said:

Except it isn't the one you have run before. Lich missions are selected separately and have a much higher level. So you really should have accounted for that. The game tells you this before you start the mission. If you don't read the information it is kinda your fault. Yes, I understand that you may not realise how it would be on your first run or two.

Honestly? It sounds like your builds are the issue. I have not failed one yet, I cannot understand how anyone that is appropriately geared could (mistakes excluded of course).

This is not very specific. Perhaps share what builds you have for the gear you are using. Those mods are pretty useless when unranked for example. We don't know what the issue is if you don't show the builds.

i could understand if my build is crap and it probably is but how does that explain all of the randoms i was with get steam rolled as well. 

[taiiat]

11 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

But i will still get taxed

indeed you will, but it'll mean Missions on those Planets will give like 20-30% less, it won't be that big a deal. as i said, Liches are introduced to Players too early, but it also won't impact the game all that much for you either.

[ForbiddenAlias]

Just now, taiiat said:

indeed you will, but it'll mean Missions on those Planets will give like 20-30% less, it won't be that big a deal. as i said, Liches are introduced to Players too early, but it also won't impact the game all that much for you either.

ok thx so i just have to suffer till i have the ability to actually stop it. hopefully its sooner rather than later

[krc473]

12 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

But i will still get taxed, why can't i just turn the Lich off, i don't care about the rewards or anything i just want it gone because i can't stop it myself

If you don't upgrade your Lich (by fighting it) you can keep it trapped on one planet and play pretty much without knowing it is there. You can completely ignore it and it makes no difference. Because you already thought it you may have a couple planets of 'influence'. Ignore the tax, you get it all back when you eventually kill it anyway.

• I would like a way to dump a Lich too.

I do need to farm murmors - I have a Lich I need to get for my friend. I could help you if we are in the same region (OCE/Asia).

13 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

i could understand if my build is crap and it probably is but how does that explain all of the randoms i was with get steam rolled as well. 

I mean, their builds could be worse than yours. You don't have that information.

[ForbiddenAlias]

1 minute ago, krc473 said:

If you don't upgrade your Lich (by fighting it) you can keep it trapped on one planet and play pretty much without knowing it is there. You can completely ignore it and it makes no difference. Because you already thought it you may have a couple planets of 'influence'. Ignore the tax, you get it all back when you eventually kill it anyway.

• I would like a way to dump a Lich too.

I do need to farm murmors - I have a Lich I need to get for my friend. I could help you if we are in the same region (OCE/Asia).

I mean, their builds could be worse than yours. You don't have that information.

oh ok thx for your help i guess i'll just wait till i have a build strong enough to stop it. Sadly we are not in the same region as i would glady accept help. the builds i have been using are builds iv'e borrowed from a site called https://overframe.gg/. Are the builds there not up t date or something. because when i started running them i saw a huge improvement over what i thought was ok. i must have a long ways to go.

[Berzerkules]

I can help if you need. Bored with nothing to do

 

[krc473]

5 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

Are the builds there not up t date or something. because when i started running them i saw a huge improvement over what i thought was ok.

Without seeing the builds I don't think anyone can answer that question. Some might be terrible - I don't use that site so I have no idea.

[ForbiddenAlias]

1 minute ago, krc473 said:

Without seeing the builds I don't think anyone can answer that question. Some might be terrible - I don't use that site so I have no idea.

oh ok thx https://overframe.gg/build/1418/wisp/group-sustain-everlasting-fools-fire/  https://overframe.gg/build/3117/saryn-prime/sapmatics-saryn-so-eso/  https://overframe.gg/build/2653/nova-prime/tanky-neutral-nova-compatible-with-fast-and-slow-builds/  https://overframe.gg/build/2772/banshee-prime/all-around-banshee/  https://overframe.gg/build/602/ember-prime/firequake/ https://overframe.gg/build/29337/titania-prime/titania-prime-no-forma-all-purpose-razorwing/  https://overframe.gg/build/12399/ivara-prime/ivara-prime-sustain-scaling-build/  these are the builds im running

[ForbiddenAlias]

6 minutes ago, Berzerkules said:

I can help if you need. Bored with nothing to do

 

i would appreciate it as i am stuck with my Lich and i really want it out of the way

[Berzerkules]

10 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

i would appreciate it as i am stuck with my Lich and i really want it out of the way

Sent msg in game. 

 

[krc473]

23 minutes ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

these are the builds im running

None of these strike me as particularly appropriate choices for Lich hunting. Yes, they might be useful for other content. But a Lich tends not to care about your abilities. So Wisp buffs, Titania's 4 and Ivara's 4 are your only choices out of those links. The exalted things will depend on how you mod their weapons too.

• Your weapons are important too, but not mentioned.

[taiiat]

1 hour ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

Are the builds there not up t date or something.

let's go with all of the above - random Mod Loadouts you find is just like say, calling random people in a Phonebook for advice - somebody definitely knows what they are doing, but you'd have to call a lot of numbers to find those people.
Mod Loadouts you find strewn around are generally better served as examples or to stimulate your own decisions, rather than as something to simply follow. partly because usually they're somewhat bad but also because you may very well have different goals in mind and so wouldn't want to use the same Mods.

Edited April 11, 2020 by taiiat

[Shalath]

3 hours ago, ForbiddenAlias said:

 https://overframe.gg/build/12399/ivara-prime/ivara-prime-sustain-scaling-build/  these are the builds im running

That's not far from the build I used to get rid of my Lich (level 5) which I had absolutely no interest in. I built for a huge energy pool and minimum drain on Prowl. I also took my crit build Dread and a bunch of energy/ammo pads. Mine had a weakness to electricity and Iron Skin, both of which I paid no attention to.

First, pick a mission that doesn't have an auto-fail condition so you don't have to worry about being side-tracked. Most importantly, do not complete the mission. The Lich status still updates if you abandon and you don't want to be stuck with only rescue or disruption nodes left to try and kill your Lich (something I came very close to). Note that I can't be 100% sure about murmurs for this as I already knew my 3 mods by the time I tested the abandon method, just not the order. I did complete the mission that I actually killed my Lich in but I don't think it matters.

Second, set matchmaking to solo. You do not want squadmates attracting attention.

At the start of the mission use your energy pads to fill your energy pool and then activate Prowl. Do your usual rolling around and kill Thralls. With Dread and headshots they shouldn't be tricky and they can't see you to fire back. If the Lich doesn't show up abandon and start again. When the Lich appears just keep shooting it in the face as again it can't see you and can't attack back. It may try random shots so don't sit where it's gun is pointing. If you find your energy pool or ammo getting low roll away and find a safe spot to refil in.

Using this method even a level 5 Lich should be extremely easy. Note that I have killed exactly 1 Lich so certain Liches may be immune to this strategy.

Good luck!

[GkarB5]

On 2020-04-11 at 5:35 AM, Shalath said:

That's not far from the build I used to get rid of my Lich (level 5) which I had absolutely no interest in. I built for a huge energy pool and minimum drain on Prowl. I also took my crit build Dread and a bunch of energy/ammo pads. Mine had a weakness to electricity and Iron Skin, both of which I paid no attention to.

First, pick a mission that doesn't have an auto-fail condition so you don't have to worry about being side-tracked. Most importantly, do not complete the mission. The Lich status still updates if you abandon and you don't want to be stuck with only rescue or disruption nodes left to try and kill your Lich (something I came very close to). Note that I can't be 100% sure about murmurs for this as I already knew my 3 mods by the time I tested the abandon method, just not the order. I did complete the mission that I actually killed my Lich in but I don't think it matters.

Second, set matchmaking to solo. You do not want squadmates attracting attention.

At the start of the mission use your energy pads to fill your energy pool and then activate Prowl. Do your usual rolling around and kill Thralls. With Dread and headshots they shouldn't be tricky and they can't see you to fire back. If the Lich doesn't show up abandon and start again. When the Lich appears just keep shooting it in the face as again it can't see you and can't attack back. It may try random shots so don't sit where it's gun is pointing. If you find your energy pool or ammo getting low roll away and find a safe spot to refil in.

Using this method even a level 5 Lich should be extremely easy. Note that I have killed exactly 1 Lich so certain Liches may be immune to this strategy.

Good luck!

Please tell me if this build & your other suggestions are still viable against a Lich after the latest updates to Warframe?

I'm desperately trying to kill my very first Kuva Lich, solo.  I've already tried using my extremely survivable Inaros build with a Rubico Prime & a Rattleguts chamber kitgun both modded for the 2 statuses that my Lich was weak against.  I failed miserably. The Lich's health kept on replenishing itself. 

Questions: 1) Should I completely ignore what my Lich is weak against when I mod my frame, weapons, etc? 2) Which weapons are the best to use against a Lich (including Primary, Secondary, Melee & Atmosphere Arch-Gun)? 3) Also: which of the following  are most helpful when fighting a Lich: a) Arcanes for Warframe & Operators, b) Companions (robotic or beast)?, c) Gear Wheel items: Specters & Stims (Calcifin, Adrenal, Refract or Clotra), Atmospheric Arch-gun (as mentioned before), Air Support Charges? 

I would also welcome anyone else's suggestions on how to kill a Lich solo. 

[Shalath]

13 hours ago, GkarB5 said:

Please tell me if this build & your other suggestions are still viable against a Lich after the latest updates to Warframe?

I'm desperately trying to kill my very first Kuva Lich, solo.  I've already tried using my extremely survivable Inaros build with a Rubico Prime & a Rattleguts chamber kitgun both modded for the 2 statuses that my Lich was weak against.  I failed miserably. The Lich's health kept on replenishing itself. 

Questions: 1) Should I completely ignore what my Lich is weak against when I mod my frame, weapons, etc? 2) Which weapons are the best to use against a Lich (including Primary, Secondary, Melee & Atmosphere Arch-Gun)? 3) Also: which of the following  are most helpful when fighting a Lich: a) Arcanes for Warframe & Operators, b) Companions (robotic or beast)?, c) Gear Wheel items: Specters & Stims (Calcifin, Adrenal, Refract or Clotra), Atmospheric Arch-gun (as mentioned before), Air Support Charges? 

I would also welcome anyone else's suggestions on how to kill a Lich solo. 

I posted that on Saturday and there have been no updates since then.

1) Using the Lich weakness against them is a good idea as it will help kill them quicker but it isn't strictly neccesary using Ivara and Prowl as if the Lich can't see you then you can just wail on them until they die (assuming you know the combo).

2) If using Ivara you need to use a silent weapon to stay undetected. Melee isn't a good choice as it drains your energy faster. Dread just happens to be my best bow but any silent weapon should do the trick with enough shots.

3) Using Ivara arcanes aren't needed. I did not take a companion or spectres as I didn't want anything drawing attention to me. I did have a level 2 Arcane Energise equipped at the time but as I wasn't killing anything other than the Lich it never procced.

I did use energy and ammo pads because even with a massive energy pool and very low drain on Prowl I had to go through my Lich's Iron Skin which took time. I had to hide in a corner once to refill both energy and ammo. I didn't both with arch-guns because they ake noise so it wouldn't have worked. I didn't use air support as they are mostly useless other than Liset's hacking.

[GkarB5]

12 hours ago, Shalath said:

I posted that on Saturday and there have been no updates since then.

1) Using the Lich weakness against them is a good idea as it will help kill them quicker but it isn't strictly neccesary using Ivara and Prowl as if the Lich can't see you then you can just wail on them until they die (assuming you know the combo).

2) If using Ivara you need to use a silent weapon to stay undetected. Melee isn't a good choice as it drains your energy faster. Dread just happens to be my best bow but any silent weapon should do the trick with enough shots.

3) Using Ivara arcanes aren't needed. I did not take a companion or spectres as I didn't want anything drawing attention to me. I did have a level 2 Arcane Energise equipped at the time but as I wasn't killing anything other than the Lich it never procced.

I did use energy and ammo pads because even with a massive energy pool and very low drain on Prowl I had to go through my Lich's Iron Skin which took time. I had to hide in a corner once to refill both energy and ammo. I didn't both with arch-guns because they ake noise so it wouldn't have worked. I didn't use air support as they are mostly useless other than Liset's hacking.

Thank you very much for answering my questions! 😊

Could you please share the details of your Ivara & Dread builds?

[superiouz]

If u running ivara or loki. U better to stay solo. Kill it with melee (co bloodrush) put gladiator set in your deconstructor. For arcane if u have it put fury and melee speed (i forgot what it call) sure maybe it takes long to kill but it will kill it eventually. 

[Shalath]

12 hours ago, GkarB5 said:

Thank you very much for answering my questions! 😊

Could you please share the details of your Ivara & Dread builds?

Sure, nothing special really. I mostly suck at builds.

7 hours ago, superiouz said:

If u running ivara or loki. U better to stay solo. Kill it with melee (co bloodrush) put gladiator set in your deconstructor. For arcane if u have it put fury and melee speed (i forgot what it call) sure maybe it takes long to kill but it will kill it eventually. 

Melee might work for some Liches with Ivara but mine had Iron Skin which I had to get through and I found my energy vanished very quickly using melee so that's why I went with Dread.