Revenant is getting buffed to become unkillable again!

[cute_moth.npc]

6 minutes ago, AzureScion said:

Sadly while this looks impressive, this only works on Corpus enemies (or infested) since they're squishy anyway. 

VS Grineer and their insane armor scaling she doesn't work quite as well as this. Or atleast from my personal experience (which should be irrelevant since I'm not MRL1/2 lmao).

She does not work quite as well and it doesn't surprise me, but she honestly works fine with them too overall. I think Helminth combos will easily solve that soon but that is not very different from me from a lot of other Warframes?

Specialists often suck at different mission types, Gyre isn't any different but honestly isn't even that bad vs. Grineer. The only thing not working as well as it does on Corpus is honestly the damage aspect and weapons give more than enough. She can still turn an entire horde of grineer into a quivering ball of stunlocked popcorn easy and just melt them with whatever she's holding.

[-Krism-]

10 hours ago, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said:

Yeah, weapons do the killing, frames do the surviving and other stuff.

Revenant just sits in the corner and does nothing because he’s worthless.

But there's still more people who like him than not

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

3 hours ago, -Krism- said:

But there's still more people who like him than not

No, the Revenant mains are just far more vocal about him than the people who just don’t care about him.

As I stated earlier. They come to the forums to complain about any time he’s getting completely outperformed by other frames, begging for changes. While still insisting he’s one of the best frames in the game. A frame that gets outperformed cannot be one of the best frames. That’s simply logic.

[-Krism-]

8 minutes ago, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said:

No, the Revenant mains are just far more vocal about him than the people who just don’t care about him.

I said people who like him, not mains

 

9 minutes ago, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said:

As I stated earlier. They come to the forums to complain about any time he’s getting completely outperformed by other frames, begging for changes. While still insisting he’s one of the best frames in the game.

Never saw any of that but ok

[(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR]

34 minutes ago, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said:

No, the Revenant mains are just far more vocal about him than the people who just don’t care about him.

As I stated earlier. They come to the forums to complain about any time he’s getting completely outperformed by other frames, begging for changes. While still insisting he’s one of the best frames in the game. A frame that gets outperformed cannot be one of the best frames. That’s simply logic.

You seem more vocal than any revenant mains tbh. I said revenant is getting buffed in a specific post, you continually insist revenant is terrible in like, multiple forums that aren't even about Revenant. 

And yes, revenant being tanky does make him good, it's his main gimmick, which is why de is fixing it in the first place.

[(XBOX)Cram Duahcim]

9 minutes ago, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT said:

 And yes, revenant being tanky does make him good, it's his main gimmick, which is why de is fixing it in the first place.

I mean tanky is good in all but if that's what your going for:

Better tanks exist in the game. So if it's his gimmick it's overall not as good as other tanks that also have tanky gimmicks. Even with the buff it's still not better comparatively.

Now does that take away from the fun of actually playing him? No but I can see why some players have this opinion of Revenant because overall, he does under perform.

And these changes are good but overall: They don't really move the needle for him. He's still basically in the same position.

[-Krism-]

29 minutes ago, (XBOX)RelsWhisper said:

Better tanks exist in the game.

Classic warframe players, if A is better than B, then why enjoy B in the first place, even if B is still fun to use; fun is not allowed after all

[(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR]

34 minutes ago, (XBOX)RelsWhisper said:

I mean tanky is good in all but if that's what your going for:

Better tanks exist in the game. So if it's his gimmick it's overall not as good as other tanks that also have tanky gimmicks. Even with the buff it's still not better comparatively.

Now does that take away from the fun of actually playing him? No but I can see why some players have this opinion of Revenant because overall, he does under perform.

And these changes are good but overall: They don't really move the needle for him. He's still basically in the same position.

But you forgot his trade off: yes, Mesmer skin doesn't last as long as let's say, Warding halo, but Mesmer skin prevents most damage and death while it is active. 

Because of this, Mesmer skin is good where other tank abilities fail, which is revenant's niche.

[AzureScion]

Just now, -Krism- said:

Classic warframe players, if A is better than B, then why enjoy B in the first place, even if B is still fun to use; fun is not allowed after all

By this logic why use the other 48 warframes when Wukong exists? lol

 

Finding efficiency fun is good and all, but sometimes the weird gimmick is what makes a frame fun. Afterall there's 49 frames in the game surely not all of them can be the best at everything yeah.

[Venus-Venera]

vor 33 Minuten schrieb (XBOX)RelsWhisper:

I mean tanky is good in all but if that's what your going for:

Better tanks exist in the game. So if it's his gimmick it's overall not as good as other tanks that also have tanky gimmicks. Even with the buff it's still not better comparatively.

Now does that take away from the fun of actually playing him? No but I can see why some players have this opinion of Revenant because overall, he does under perform.

And these changes are good but overall: They don't really move the needle for him. He's still basically in the same position.

tank is useless if too little damage is done. and yes. you're right. there are better tanks in the game. and these tanks can have 1 useful skill. which unfortunately doesn't work with rev because the health buffer is too small!

they probably won't program selfdamage again. because then who will play warframe? that's just frustrating
and damage reflect from acolyte can easily be switched off with silence or we use something like khoras cc. so we can be guaranteed to survive...

so why do we need rev?

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

On 2022-09-03 at 3:10 PM, (XBOX)RelsWhisper said:

I mean tanky is good in all but if that's what your going for:

Better tanks exist in the game. So if it's his gimmick it's overall not as good as other tanks that also have tanky gimmicks. Even with the buff it's still not better comparatively.

Now does that take away from the fun of actually playing him? No but I can see why some players have this opinion of Revenant because overall, he does under perform.

And these changes are good but overall: They don't really move the needle for him. He's still basically in the same position.

There actually aren't better tanks lol. Revenant is rolling guard and press 2. Nezha still takes damage through shield. Most people don't know how to get 1,000,000 Iron skins so they think 200k is a lot.

High health and armor frames like Grendel and Inaros are wasted on bad players that can't mitigate damage and don't have guardian/grace etc. 

Who is this better tank you're referring to? 

 

On 2022-09-03 at 3:51 PM, Venus-Venera said:

tank is useless if too little damage is done. and yes. you're right. there are better tanks in the game. and these tanks can have 1 useful skill. which unfortunately doesn't work with rev because the health buffer is too small!

they probably won't program selfdamage again. because then who will play warframe? that's just frustrating
and damage reflect from acolyte can easily be switched off with silence or we use something like khoras cc. so we can be guaranteed to survive...

so why do we need rev?

If you die from having mesmer turned off for a half a second that's a player issue. We have rolling, parkour and void dash/sling to create distance as well as magus lockdown.

[p_silveira]

2 minutes ago, (PSN)Madurai-Prime said:

Nezha still takes damage through shield.

Most people forget about this. If you go long enough in an endurance run, you still get killed through Warding Halo if you don't have another way to either completely mitigate damage, cc enemies, or not get hit at all (invisibility or something). Even if you mitigate 99.9% damage, taking 0.1% of a gazillion damage is still enough to kill you. Of course, this is not going to be a problem for regular short runs, but it doesn't change the fact that the potential problem is still there. Taking this into account, Mesmer Skin and it's ability to prevent 100% of damage instances is just factually better.

[-Krism-]

1 hour ago, AzureScion said:

Finding efficiency fun is good and all, but sometimes the weird gimmick is what makes a frame fun. Afterall there's 49 frames in the game surely not all of them can be the best at everything yeah.

Exactly, let people enjoy things & don't judge them on how/what they play

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

1 hour ago, -Krism- said:

Exactly, let people enjoy things & don't judge them on how/what they play

We've been saying this for awhile, but the efficiency crowd is a loud majority and attributes their viewpoint to the entire game which is an issue. 

The fact that people do an exterminate mission in 10 minutes, because they like headshotting enemies with a single target weapon and taking their time for fun makes them upset. 

They assume that everyone is rabidly and viciously farming as soon as they log in. 

[-Krism-]

2 minutes ago, (PSN)Madurai-Prime said:

We've been saying this for awhile, but the efficiency crowd is a loud majority and attributes their viewpoint to the entire game which is an issue. 

The fact that people do an exterminate mission in 10 minutes, because they like headshotting enemies with a single target weapon and taking their time for fun makes them upset. 

They assume that everyone is rabidly and viciously farming as soon as they log in. 

That's one of the many reasons I'm a solo player

[SneakyErvin]

3 hours ago, (XBOX)RelsWhisper said:

I mean tanky is good in all but if that's what your going for:

Better tanks exist in the game. So if it's his gimmick it's overall not as good as other tanks that also have tanky gimmicks. Even with the buff it's still not better comparatively.

Now does that take away from the fun of actually playing him? No but I can see why some players have this opinion of Revenant because overall, he does under perform.

And these changes are good but overall: They don't really move the needle for him. He's still basically in the same position.

Better tanks exsist atm. And that is only due to the introduction of 4-player density in SP aswell as non-stunnable Eximus units. With the changes, if they go through the way they sound, no tank will compete with Rev. And ontop of the tankyness you will now be able to build him to get a guaranteed duration of use out of his Danse. Which was one of the problematic things with how his current mesmer skin works in more dense modes, because the charges can all disappear in a second. If 20 stacks will mean 20 seconds of invulnerability it will mean 15-20 (depending how much of a safe window you want for rebuffs) seconds of Danse channel aswell. 

Plus that is also with us ignoring his movement utility/scaling damage potential. I will probably go back to using Roar instead of his one and wreck havoc with a high strength dansing reave build.

[(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR]

3 hours ago, Venus-Venera said:

tank is useless if too little damage is done. and yes. you're right. there are better tanks in the game. and these tanks can have 1 useful skill. which unfortunately doesn't work with rev because the health buffer is too small!

they probably won't program selfdamage again. because then who will play warframe? that's just frustrating
and damage reflect from acolyte can easily be switched off with silence or we use something like khoras cc. so we can be guaranteed to survive...

so why do we need rev?

What do you mean by health buffer? Are you using parasitic armor on your build? Or you mean toxin clouds in which reave clears status?

[(XBOX)Cram Duahcim]

1 hour ago, SneakyErvin said:

Better tanks exsist atm. And that is only due to the introduction of 4-player density in SP aswell as non-stunnable Eximus units. With the changes, if they go through the way they sound, no tank will compete with Rev. And ontop of the tankyness you will now be able to build him to get a guaranteed duration of use out of his Danse. Which was one of the problematic things with how his current mesmer skin works in more dense modes, because the charges can all disappear in a second. If 20 stacks will mean 20 seconds of invulnerability it will mean 15-20 (depending how much of a safe window you want for rebuffs) seconds of Danse channel aswell. 

Plus that is also with us ignoring his movement utility/scaling damage potential. I will probably go back to using Roar instead of his one and wreck havoc with a high strength dansing reave build.

It still doesn't move the needle for Revenant overall, even if we're still talking about the aspect of tankyness:

There's just other warfeames that have more on offer. Even if his tankyness gets better, It still doesn't move him above the others. 

If we're talking about Tankyness alone as 1 reason to use Reveant: I'd rather just go with my Inaros Prime where I wont worry or care about anything thrown at him. Eximus? He's just going to die a little bit faster 🤷‍♂️

Damage? With Inaros and rage mod I don't need a flow mod at all. 

Wukong's passive or even Nidus: I died? Oh I lost some stacks not a big deal. 

They definitely compete when the allotment of f%^&KS to give is about 0 when the investment in builds alot less compared to Revenant.

I'm just talking about being a tank. If that's my aim. I'm not using him. 

[(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR]

4 hours ago, (XBOX)RelsWhisper said:

It still doesn't move the needle for Revenant overall, even if we're still talking about the aspect of tankyness:

There's just other warfeames that have more on offer. Even if his tankyness gets better, It still doesn't move him above the others. 

If we're talking about Tankyness alone as 1 reason to use Reveant: I'd rather just go with my Inaros Prime where I wont worry or care about anything thrown at him. Eximus? He's just going to die a little bit faster 🤷‍♂️

Damage? With Inaros and rage mod I don't need a flow mod at all. 

Wukong's passive or even Nidus: I died? Oh I lost some stacks not a big deal. 

They definitely compete when the allotment of f%^&KS to give is about 0 when the investment in builds alot less compared to Revenant.

I'm just talking about being a tank. If that's my aim. I'm not using him. 

But but... 

Revenant can't die if he has Mesmer skin, if depleting stacks actually has a stacking cooldown, that means at least 20 seconds of immortality you can refresh indefinitely using rolling guard, so nidus but without the hard set up.

[Venus-Venera]

vor 11 Stunden schrieb (XBOX)RelsWhisper:

It still doesn't move the needle for Revenant overall, even if we're still talking about the aspect of tankyness:

There's just other warfeames that have more on offer. Even if his tankyness gets better, It still doesn't move him above the others. 

If we're talking about Tankyness alone as 1 reason to use Reveant: I'd rather just go with my Inaros Prime where I wont worry or care about anything thrown at him. Eximus? He's just going to die a little bit faster 🤷‍♂️

Damage? With Inaros and rage mod I don't need a flow mod at all. 

Wukong's passive or even Nidus: I died? Oh I lost some stacks not a big deal. 

They definitely compete when the allotment of f%^&KS to give is about 0 when the investment in builds alot less compared to Revenant.

I'm just talking about being a tank. If that's my aim. I'm not using him. 

advantage of something like inaros, wukong etc. that they don't depend on buffs. and inaros gets an almost indestructible pet that constantly heals him to the full! so install dmg aura and benefit from crit arcane.

at the moment i mostly only find full public group in void cascade on sp. and there buffs are removed continuously. often you can't avoid it, no matter how careful you play...

Therefore, tanks without buffs or cc warframes like khora benefit here. I don't need silence here, because I can easily paralyze acolyte with 2 skill and can even install armor ignore with helmith.

and why do i need immortality if i usually don't play longer than 20-30 min on sp? (host migration bugs are still not fixed)
The main thing is that it's comfortable to play and I don't drop dead if a greener "makes bad air" in the corner...

[(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR]

4 hours ago, Venus-Venera said:

advantage of something like inaros, wukong etc. that they don't depend on buffs. and inaros gets an almost indestructible pet that constantly heals him to the full! so install dmg aura and benefit from crit arcane.

at the moment i mostly only find full public group in void cascade on sp. and there buffs are removed continuously. often you can't avoid it, no matter how careful you play...

Therefore, tanks without buffs or cc warframes like khora benefit here. I don't need silence here, because I can easily paralyze acolyte with 2 skill and can even install armor ignore with helmith.

and why do i need immortality if i usually don't play longer than 20-30 min on sp? (host migration bugs are still not fixed)
The main thing is that it's comfortable to play and I don't drop dead if a greener "makes bad air" in the corner...

Technically Inaros depends on the buff from his 4th ability and Wukong uses defy. 

Also revenant only uses around 50-65 energy on Mesmer skin which assuming you don't have to recast it until 20 seconds pass it's not like it's hard to maintain. 

Also what did you mean by "health buffer" on Revenant? He doesn't need a health buffer of he uses rolling guard during recast.

[Skoomaseller]

On 2022-09-03 at 2:18 PM, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said:

<nonsense>

 

On 2022-09-03 at 2:28 PM, -Krism- said:

Never saw any of that but ok

honestly just ignore him, he has a thing against revenant because it's his silly haha xd quirk in addition to being unfunny and derailing posts. it was funny the first few times but it's just tiresome and boring now.

"revenant mains crying" boogeyman I mean lmfao. wish I could craft grandmother stories as fast and as well as he does

 

On 2022-09-04 at 12:58 AM, (XBOX)Upl0rdYT said:

But but... 

Revenant can't die if he has Mesmer skin, if depleting stacks actually has a stacking cooldown, that means at least 20 seconds of immortality you can refresh indefinitely using rolling guard, so nidus but without the hard set up.

you don't even need rolling guard, if you run out of stacks and find that you can't recast fast enough, spoiler mode to an empty corner then recast

personally I like this change to revenant but imo it could've perhaps gone a different way like say, 1 charge eats 2 instances of damage instead, since they are adamant on keeping cc immunity on eximus. 

happy nonetheless, revenant chads stay winning 

[Venus-Venera]

vor 1 Minute schrieb Skoomaseller:

you don't even need rolling guard,

but that can be said about almost every warframe. then I can spam vaz dash 24/7. the only requirement is that the host has hardly any lag.

but what kind of way of play is it? we're not playing from a mental asylum!

[(XBOX)Lord ChibiVR]

2 minutes ago, Venus-Venera said:

but that can be said about almost every warframe. then I can spam vaz dash 24/7. the only requirement is that the host has hardly any lag.

but what kind of way of play is it? we're not playing from a mental asylum!

And yeah, every frame can spam vazarin dash, but I think refreshing it every 5 seconds is more annoying than every 25-30 seconds.

[DeadVoid118]

All these people whining about Revenant not being the best in a single category, because we obviously can't have frames that do a couple things well instead of 1 thing the best.

Hey, I'm totally open to Revenant buffs. Make his 4 have infinite punchthrough and range, make his 3 do everything Cloud Walker can do and more, make his 1 have no thrall cap and no duration, make his 2 cost zero energy and survive walking into Nullifiers. Perfectly balanced.