CrazyCatLad Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 It is pretty common knowledge that if you are epileptic and play video games, you play at your own risk. All video games state this either on a splash screen or in the terms. Doesn't make the Broken Lights any less annoying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS- Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 -snip- ...Or are you American and dont know that flash and high concentration of fast changing colors on the screen can cause epileptic seizure? -snip- Dayum... LOL that hurts Robo!!! XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolDraG Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 try turning off collor corection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartumterek Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 resorting to using medical conditions to try and remove features you dont like= fail obviously SOMEONE didnt read their TOS whats next, religious reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdventSign Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I don't REALLY like how in video games they no longer have that warning sign about epilepsy and instead hide it in the ToS. I have epilespy and I have only had 2 seizures because of video games (this isn't one of them). Still though...companies are hiding so much BS in the ToS and EULA nowadays to avoid legal lawsuits and yet the majority of people don't read them. Some video games aren't that bad at all...I only find FPS and fast paced games to cause real problems and this game desn't really bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovusNiveus Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Beat Hazard has an epilepsy warning that you have to click through to start, though Beat Hazard is much more intense in its visual effects.I'm not saying Warframe needs such a thing, but Beat Hazard also lets you cut the intensity of the effects down to 50% (or turn them up to 200%, if that's your jam). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etsoree Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Its covered in their Terms of service. d. A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF USERS MAY EXPERIENCE EPILEPTIC SEIZURES WHEN EXPOSED TO CERTAIN LIGHT PATTERNS OR BACKGROUNDS ON A COMPUTER SCREEN OR WHILE USING THE WEBSITE OR THE SERVICE. CERTAIN CONDITIONS MAY INDUCE PREVIOUSLY UNDETECTED EPILEPTIC SYMPTOMS EVEN IN USERS WHO HAVE NO HISTORY OF PRIOR SEIZURES OR EPILEPSY. IF YOU, OR ANYONE IN YOUR FAMILY, HAVE AN EPILEPTIC CONDITION, CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN PRIOR TO USING THE SERVICE. IMMEDIATELY DISCONTINUE USE OF THE SERVICE AND CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN IF YOU EXPERIENCE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING SYMPTOMS WHILE USING THE SERVICE: DIZZINESS, ALTERED VISION, EYE OR MUSCLE TWITCHES, LOSS OF AWARENESS, DISORIENTATION, ANY INVOLUNTARY MOVEMENT, OR CONVULSIONS. "Website"? I'm hoping they just mean like preview videos/trailers they post here on the forums, otherwise I'd start getting afraid of Stalker jumpscares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent_of_Change Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) resorting to using medical conditions to try and remove features you dont like= fail obviously SOMEONE didnt read their TOS whats next, religious reasons? I object on religious grounds that I'm not getting enough loot. Great Greedimus the Grabby my celestial lord and Great Universal embodiment of "F**K you, got Mine" teaches us that we must all get all the stuff. It offends my religious sentiments that I am ever not getting all the stuff. DE pls Fix. GO TEAM GREED Even Self-Interested Murderous Sociopaths can be spiritual. Edited March 12, 2014 by Agent_of_Change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyDragon Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 "Website"? I'm hoping they just mean like preview videos/trailers they post here on the forums, otherwise I'd start getting afraid of Stalker jumpscares. Not sure if you are requesting the page, but here it is; https://warframe.com/terms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartumterek Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I object on religious grounds that I'm not getting enough loot. Great Greedimus the Grabby my celestial lord and Great Universal embodiment of "F**K you, got Mine" teaches us that we must all get all the stuff. It offends my religious sentiments that I am ever not getting all the stuff. DE pls Fix. GO TEAM GREED Even Self-Interested Murderous Sociopaths can be spiritual. As sad as this is, its better that what the OP posted. At least greed can be dealt with/ignored, plus it comes with milk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunchBoxKilla Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 If you have epilepsy.... Chance are you shouldn't be near games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BETAOPTICS Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yes the terms of service in pretty much all games cover this up. People who know that are suffering from epilepsy is specifically directed and given an advice to read the terms of service before proceeding. Usually these kind of effects are not an issue unless the player plays in dark which is discouraged multiple times by the doctor and the terms of service as or the player has played along but again, doctors usually make sure the patient knows about what to and what not to do in certain circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Aeouin Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) I believe many epileptics can play video games with no issues. Only photosensitive ones (those triggered by bright flashing lights) have issues with games. Even then it is often only certain games with bright flashing lights. The warnings (like beat hazard) are often meant for those types of epileptics. I do think that with the recent updates DE needs to add a short in game warning. From other threads these new lights are even causing headaches for a lot of players and I would imagine could trigger photosensitive epileptics. As someone said most games cover epilepsy in the terms of service as a base protection so it can be hard for an epileptic to tell from this. However, games with a lot of bright flashing lights should place an in game warning as a more direct warning. Edited March 12, 2014 by (PS4)Aeouin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazman80 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) Another sue happy poster. The down fall of any country has always been to many lawyers with sue happy knuckle head clients. Can't even breath on someone nowadays. The warning about health issues playing games has been in the legal documents of game releases sense forever ago. I get it though, life is pretty boring so creating trouble is always more interesting. Edited March 12, 2014 by Chazman80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazman80 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 If you have epilepsy you should avoid anything that can cause seizures. Or are you dumb enough to provoke them? Or are you American and dont know that flash and high concentration of fast changing colors on the screen can cause epileptic seizure? Everything comes down to this: "If you have any disorder, you should avoid anything that might cause getting your disorder into worse state." If you have high blood pressure, you would avoid everything that might cause it to go up. You might say, "But i might not know that this game has flash animations.", but you should use your brains if you have epilepsy. Everything on every screen can cause epileptic seizure, because moving pictures are basically flashes of light. What does being American have to do with anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenLetterKWord Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Or are you American and dont know that flash and high concentration of fast changing colors on the screen can cause epileptic seizure? I AM AN AMERICAN AND THEREFORE AUTOMATICALLY IGNORANT OF EPILEPSY AND CAUSALITY PLEASE FORGIVE MY AMERICANISM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodKitten Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Its covered in their Terms of service. d. A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF USERS MAY EXPERIENCE EPILEPTIC SEIZURES WHEN EXPOSED TO CERTAIN LIGHT PATTERNS OR BACKGROUNDS ON A COMPUTER SCREEN OR WHILE USING THE WEBSITE OR THE SERVICE. CERTAIN CONDITIONS MAY INDUCE PREVIOUSLY UNDETECTED EPILEPTIC SYMPTOMS EVEN IN USERS WHO HAVE NO HISTORY OF PRIOR SEIZURES OR EPILEPSY. IF YOU, OR ANYONE IN YOUR FAMILY, HAVE AN EPILEPTIC CONDITION, CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN PRIOR TO USING THE SERVICE. IMMEDIATELY DISCONTINUE USE OF THE SERVICE AND CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN IF YOU EXPERIENCE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING SYMPTOMS WHILE USING THE SERVICE: DIZZINESS, ALTERED VISION, EYE OR MUSCLE TWITCHES, LOSS OF AWARENESS, DISORIENTATION, ANY INVOLUNTARY MOVEMENT, OR CONVULSIONS. this should be the very first thing in the agreement and reminder on game startup, they defenitly dont want to harm someone by mistake, so reminder need to be given every startup and bump it up the agreement list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morwyn Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) You lost me at "lawyers". . Edited March 12, 2014 by Morwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenLetterKWord Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) this should be the very first thing in the agreement and reminder on game startup, they defenitly dont want to harm someone by mistake, so reminder need to be given every startup and bump it up the agreement list. Seriously, though? Do you also think that coffee needs to be labelled "hot" and that knives need to be labelled "sharp"? It's kcufin' obvious that a video game, especially an action video game, is going to have dynamic screen lighting. It's not like we're playing Princess Tea-Time Jigsaw Puzzle over here. Edited March 12, 2014 by Knaimhe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent_of_Change Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Seriously, though? Do you also think that coffee needs to be labelled "hot" and that knives need to be labelled "sharp"? It's kcufin' obvious that a video game, especially an action video game, is going to have dynamic screen lighting. It's not like we're playing Princess Tea-Time Jigsaw Puzzle over here. Yeah well, I can spend less than 10 minutes to find coffee labeled hot and knives labeled sharp. It is a sad world filled with willfully ignorant people looking to find a way to not be responsible for their own choices. But that is another issue entirely I suppose. The key point is video games are called that for the reason that they are moving pictures made of light, it doesn't take a genius to suppose that caution should be applied when it comes to conditions such as epilepsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenLetterKWord Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yeah well, I can spend less than 10 minutes to find coffee labeled hot and knives labeled sharp. Well sure, but Warframe is already "labelled" as epileptic-endangering. There's absolutely no need to hassle everyone who already knows and has accepted this obvious, obvious fact at every startup, as "BloodHungryKitten" suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketec Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Whoo reads TOS.. really.. who? xept lawyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yousho Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Honestly with big BRIGHT flashes they should make the disclaimer far more obvious, nobody reads the ToS, but they are legally covered by that - fine. Every game has one, so unless elliptic people just don't play video games they need a way to distinguish 'Doesn't actually give you seizures but in the ToS just to cover themselves' from 'will likely give you seizures.' Surely, if they are going to have something THAT likely to induce a censure, they should make a VERY obvious disclaimer, for moral reasons.Morality > Legality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketec Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 the biggest6 problems are frames like nova with bright pink explosions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhundis Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Y u try to ruin a good game? But seriously if it bothers you so much I suggest playing in a well lit room at least 4 to 5 feet from your screen. (Unlike most gamers, myself included, who play in a black hole 2 inches from the monitor.) That should solve your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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