Deruser Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Is Warframe still in beta? I'm not really sure now, there is no indication of any beta in the game. I don't know whether this fits in general discussion, if it doesn't help me move this to the appropriate section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Yes. Yes we are. The game suffers from horrid bugs, it is still a work in progress and is nowhere NEAR a finished state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruser Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Yes. Yes we are. The game suffers from horrid bugs, it is still a work in progress and is nowhere NEAR a finished state. True enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)IIIDevoidIII Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 As long as the Open- Beta agreement still applies, which it does, we are in beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormandreas Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Yes. Yes we are. The game suffers from horrid bugs, it is still a work in progress and is nowhere NEAR a finished state. No, No we are not. The devs say we're still in beta, but with the progress and success the game has had, we came out of a beta stage around update 11/12. All games have horrid bugs, and work in progress materials (especially MMO's), so then essentially you're saying WoW is still a Beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 No, No we are not. The devs say we're still in beta, but with the progress and success the game has had, we came out of a beta stage around update 11/12. All games have horrid bugs, and work in progress materials (especially MMO's), so then essentially you're saying WoW is still a Beta. Nooooo. If the devs say it is in Beta, then it is in beta. If the open beta agreement still applies, then it is beta. WoW was released as a finished product, this game? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Veg1ta Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Nooooo. If the devs say it is in Beta, then it is in beta. If the open beta agreement still applies, then it is beta. WoW was released as a finished product, this game? No. No game is a finished product , used to be like that back in the good old days, but devs are constantly upgrading there games fixing bugs and adding more content, warframe might want to continue to hide behind open beta, but imo beta ended along time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix86 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) My sarcasm detector is off charts!! as Devoid said we are still in beta, on paper, that the game looks like not_in_beta_anymore it's a whole different story Edited October 21, 2014 by Phoenix86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 No game is a finished product , used to be like that back in the good old days, but devs are constantly upgrading there games fixing bugs and adding more content, warframe might want to continue to hide behind open beta, but imo beta ended along time ago. How? How in gods damn does the success of a game determine whether it is in open beta or not? Because right now, that line of logic makes as much as the "It has a market system, so it isn't a beta" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoscythe Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Yes. Yes we are. The game suffers from horrid bugs, it is still a work in progress and is nowhere NEAR a finished state. Dont forget that there are more bugs coming than we get fixed #archwing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scavenge Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Somewhat sadly, yes we are. It would be great if bugs were a little less prevalent and if there was more stuff geared towards some kind of engame, instead they took a huge swing onto PvP and whatnot xD Anyways, still like WF alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I took this screenshot when I reinstalled warframe like 2 weeks ago: As long as that's there we're still in beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansidhe Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 If the game is still in Beta shouldn't DE advertise it as such? I have recently started playing and nowhere in the whole process of discovering, downloading, installing and running the game is it suggested that this is a beta. Every reference on the website that I can see refers to it as a game and not a beta. Where does it say this game is a beta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hollow118 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Still Beta, devs said it is. Which is good because this game is so halfway broken it could never last as a finished product in its current state. Thus I will continue to throw my money at the devs until they can fix everything and make it a finished product. The reason this game can't be in a full release state, despite bugs, is the sheer fact that there isn't enough content in the game to keep players around. Now before some start crying bloody murder, let me explain. Aside from grinding, the events, and leveling up, what really is there to do? DE is adding things like Archwing and such to really change up Warframe's current state and inject it full of feel-good-content. This adds depth and more playability. Of course I'm not speaking for the general player base when I say there isn't much to do. This is my take on the state of the game, not fact merely opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 If the game is still in Beta shouldn't DE advertise it as such? I have recently started playing and nowhere in the whole process of discovering, downloading, installing and running the game is it suggested that this is a beta. Every reference on the website that I can see refers to it as a game and not a beta. Where does it say this game is a beta? [Thank you Vaugahn!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoninJed Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think DE should just remove the beta label now. People don't like seeing a game in beta for over a year that charges for things. I mean it's bad enough (for some people) that Warframe is f2p. I don't know maybe with some big update they will get rid of the beta label. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think DE should just remove the beta label now. People don't like seeing a game in beta for over a year that charges for things. I mean it's bad enough (for some people) that Warframe is f2p. I don't know maybe with some big update they will get rid of the beta label. . Yeah, that update is when Warframe becomes a finished game. Until then, it is still a beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hollow118 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Honestly they should take a step back evaluate the game they have, and spend a good while just bug fixing. Seriously I think we could manage a large update that had minimal content addition but an update that fixes nearly every single bug and connection issue in the game today. If this was done we could peel off that worn out Beta sticker slapped on this game and have a very smooth game that a lot of the founders, vets and casuals have been begging for. DE is ambitious I'll give them that. They don't cease to wow me, but each update brings new content with more bugs. Some of which get overlooked. So by the time they revisit bugs they have a looooong laundry list of things to clean up. Bettet they nip these bugs now than later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othergrunty Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Yes. Yes we are. The game suffers from horrid bugs, it is still a work in progress and is nowhere NEAR a finished state. The game is basicly fully released but in a state of progessive finishing, with the occasional overhaul. A bit like launching a ship which only has it's finished functional hull, rudimentary engines, some passenger/cargo space and a bridge which uses laptops and walky talkies to coordinate it, while the construction crew is onboard trying to finish it. Since the launch the engines have been replaced at least once, an intercom got installed, the bridge got tables, the roof in cabine 1-14 is finaly fixed, the cargo bay got a new paintjob, the cardboard cutouts of the stewards are replaced with real stewards and now someone got the idea of installing a helicopter pad. But there are still plenty of problems, missing bits and the designers might suddently make drastic overhauls. But hey, looking at the hull, most people who ride it can imagine how great it will look once it's finished and the tickets were free. Edited October 21, 2014 by Othergrunty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) The game is basicly fully released but in a state of progessive finishing, with the occasional overhaul. A bit like launching a ship which has only it's finished functional hull, rudimentary engines, some passenger/cargo space and a bridge which uses laptops and walky talkies to coordinate it. Since the launch the engines have been replaced at least once, an intercom got installed, the bridge got tables, the roof in cabine 1-14 is finaly fixed, the cargo bay got a new paintjob, the cardboard cutouts of the stewards are replaced with real stewards and now someone got the idea of installing a helicopter pad. But there are still plenty of problems and missing bits too. But hey, looking at the hull, most people who ride it can imagine how great it will look once it's finished and the tickets were free. It can't be both finished and still being finished. it's either one or the other. The ship is either completely finished and ready to set sail, or it still has missing parts and pieces that need to put in. Edited October 21, 2014 by TheErebus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Honestly they should take a step back evaluate the game they have, and spend a good while just bug fixing. Seriously I think we could manage a large update that had minimal content addition but an update that fixes nearly every single bug and connection issue in the game today. If this was done we could peel off that worn out Beta sticker slapped on this game and have a very smooth game that a lot of the founders, vets and casuals have been begging for. DE is ambitious I'll give them that. They don't cease to wow me, but each update brings new content with more bugs. Some of which get overlooked. So by the time they revisit bugs they have a looooong laundry list of things to clean up. Bettet they nip these bugs now than later Here's the thing, if they focus an entire update on the bugs then people will get bored and leave the game due to lack of content. So DE has a good balance. They offer content in the form of Tenno Reinforcements and the updates, and then they also do hot fixes to fix bugs that are constantly popping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) The game is basicly fully released but in a state of progessive finishing, with the occasional overhaul. A bit like launching a ship which has only it's finished functional hull, rudimentary engines, some passenger/cargo space and a bridge which uses laptops and walky talkies to coordinate it, while the construction crew is onboard trying to finish it. Since the launch the engines have been replaced at least once, an intercom got installed, the bridge got tables, the roof in cabine 1-14 is finaly fixed, the cargo bay got a new paintjob, the cardboard cutouts of the stewards are replaced with real stewards and now someone got the idea of installing a helicopter pad. But there are still plenty of problems and missing bits too. But hey, looking at the hull, most people who ride it can imagine how great it will look once it's finished and the tickets were free. Good analogy. It can't be both finished and still being finished. it's either one or the other. The ship is either completely finished and ready to set sail, or it still has missing parts and pieces that need to put in. Never been in a Navy, have you? That is a joke btw. SOME will say it is finished. Like the politicians and brass saying that a brand new frigate is 'fully operational and certified for sea'. Others? Not so much. After all, the politicos and brass don't have to RIDE in it, do they? (DO NOT get the Master Chief Petty Officer started...) It can be both. Depends on who you talk to. Edited October 21, 2014 by Kalenath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheErebus. Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Never been in a Navy, have you? That is a joke btw. SOME will say it is finished. Like the politicians and brass saying that a brand new frigate is 'fully operational and certified for sea'. Others? Not so much. After all, the politicos and brass don't have to RIDE in it, do they? (DO NOT get the Chief Petty Officer started...) It can be both. Hmm, yeah I can see where you're getting at. I retract my statements to Othergrunty then, but I still stand strong in that it is not a finished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othergrunty Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) It can't be both finished and still being finished. it's either one or the other. The ship is either completely finished and ready to set sail, or it still has missing parts and pieces that need to put in. That's the paradox i was trying to highlight with that metaphor. The traditional image of alpha and beta phase would be comparable to how a ship is build in drydock and only released to the open sea once it's finished. The beta phase being the first on sea tests, performed near the coast. But what we here with Warframe is something that breaks with this method and as a result people are unsure if the old labels can be applied to it. but I still stand strong in that it is not a finished product. And i was not trying to say anything else. It's not finished. It's just allready operating like a finished product. Edited October 21, 2014 by Othergrunty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalenath Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Hmm, yeah I can see where you're getting at. I retract my statements to Othergrunty then, but I still stand strong in that it is not a finished product. I actually agree that it is not finished. Not everyone will and some of the reasons are valid. That's the paradox i was trying to highlight with that rather clumsy metaphor. The traditional image of alpha and beta phase would be comparable to how a ship is build in drydock and only released to the open sea once it's finished. The beta phase being the first on sea tests, performed near the coast. But what we here with Warframe is something that breaks with this method and as a result people are unsure if the old labels can be applied to it. The old labels don't fit. That confuses people, so they try to MAKE the old labels fit. *Shrug* I still play the game and have fun either way... so... Edited October 21, 2014 by Kalenath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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