Burns2PvP Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) I am wondering what you guys think on this topic. What is powercreep? Power creep From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Power creep is the gradual unbalancing of a game due to successive releases of new content. The phenomenon may be caused by a number of different factors and, in extreme cases, can be damaging to the longevity of the game in which it takes place. As new expansions or updates are released, new game mechanics or effects are introduced, making it increasingly difficult for older content to remain in balance without changes. Usually, this means new content releases grow successively more powerful while older content becomes regressively outdated or relatively underpowered. This term is used outside games as well. When I started, Forma's didn't exist. They were released, all mods are able to be put onto a gun now, what used to be a level 6 that can't kill at level 15 is now a level 6 that can 1 shot anything up to 25. By time it hits level 30, I am able to 1 shot the Jakal himself. Something isn't quite clicking there for me. (Way I see it, Enemies should be scaled up or weapons scaled down. Both are required to meet a minimum line level so its not like this.) What are your guy's suggestions on ways to fix said problem. Mine would be to nerf the mods given to the player. Edited February 17, 2015 by deadinflict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranks21 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) not this again... try and understand the full mod system before you bring this up.. Mod= modification. Edited February 17, 2015 by ranks21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Is this even a serious question? You have to be delusional if you think powercreep doesn't exist. It's rampant in Warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011100110110000101101101 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Yes. Powercreep is a serious problem that needs to be dealt with. Hopefully the Focus System will deal with this. I like how the title of this thread says debait. Edited February 17, 2015 by 011100110110000101101101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile23 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Yes, maxed properly modded sniper rifles should be able to assassinate a target with a head shot. Otherwise we would just call them rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NullReference Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Yes, maxed properly modded sniper rifles should be able to assassinate a target with a head shot. Otherwise we would just call them rifles. Ah but Opticor is not a sniper rifle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax_Cavalera Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Thing is though, if enemies are going to just get harder as our gear levels harder.. what's the point to levelling up gear making it do more damage since mobs will just scale so there won't be a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero.No.Hikari Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 DE-bait or Debate? besides that not really unless you wanna shove forma into everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargras Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Thing is though, if enemies are going to just get harder as our gear levels harder.. what's the point to levelling up gear making it do more damage since mobs will just scale so there won't be a difference. Not being completely and utterly useless in end-game content, for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRufus7x Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I don't think anyone believes that Powecreep does not exist. The issue is how to address it. Buff, nerf, both, or just say screw it, Warframe is a PVE game. Also bosses on the second planet on the game should not be used as a baseline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Saying powercreep doesn't exist is like saying mountains don't exist. This isn't even a debate. Isn't even a question, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Akbolto -> Despair -> Acrid -> Brakk -> Marelok -> Synoid Gammacor. Tip your waitress, I'm here all week. /mic_drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)timbob90210 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 not this again... Why are you even commenting? Anyway, yes power creep is a thing. But I feel it's going a pretty slow rate. For example just because the synoid gammacore exist, it doesn't mean that the previous weapons you used useless. You still have plenty of options when going to void, people just choose the easiest gear for the task. As long as they don't start scaling the void based on the "OP" gear, it should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OniDax Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Is this even a serious question? You have to be delusional if you think powercreep doesn't exist. It's rampant in Warframe. It's a problem with frames, weapons, and enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archistopheles Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 As long as they don't start scaling the void based on the "OP" gear, it should be fine. If you want to go for more than 40 minutes, or 40 waves, then yeah, they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechaKnight Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Power creep is very real and a very hot topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJPgNq6Qwog&feature=youtu.be Edited February 17, 2015 by MechaKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranks21 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) if it makes you feel better then fine its in the game, but ask your self this. if there wasn't any scaling of power to levels in progression of endless mission wouldn't the game enemies versus frames+ weapons be at point zero making every mission a stale mate? no side wins no side lose? This is the ultimate of all the powercreep nonsense question I truly have to ask. In what way does this affect you personally when playing? Edited February 17, 2015 by ranks21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 if it makes you feel better then fine its in the game, but ask your self this. if there wasn't any scaling of power to levels in progression of endless mission wouldn't the game enemies versus frames+ weapons be at point zero making every mission a stale mate? no side wins no side lose? Progression =/= power creep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Demon Intellect Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ah but Opticor is not a sniper rifle....it's a spartan laser clone. Spartan laser was always a one shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranks21 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 well Vaugahn if you were the dev of this game no one would play, because not everyone likes "MY LITTLE PONY" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 well Vaugahn if you were the dev of this game no one would play, because not everyone likes "MY LITTLE PONY" Real mature. It's clear your position is well thought out and defensible with that retort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011100110110000101101101 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 it's a spartan laser clone. Spartan laser was always a one shot. Because high powered laser weapons haven't been a thing before the Spartan Laser. well Vaugahn if you were the dev of this game no one would play, because not everyone likes "MY LITTLE PONY" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixty5 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Powercrepe is real for any system that is added to over time. You get better at making stuff work with the game as your knowledge increases. Characters with 4 powerful abilities that synergize poorly give way to ones with 4 balanced abilities that synergize well, and even though the numerical power curve has been maintained, you end up with a more powerful character Gear has a different problem. If a new piece of gear is weaker than the current stuff you have, there is little reason to use it. On the other hand, if it is more powerful then old items become redundant. You can counteract powercrepe by periodically rebalancing, or re-tiering your game, the problem there is, that sort of thing takes a lot of work. In addition when looking for powercrepe you also have to take the player into account. A piece of content with a 30% pass rate might jump to 60% after a month. Looking at that you might think that the dethmachinecannongunblade3000 that was released 2 weeks ago was too powerful and made that content easier, but equally it could be that a strategy has been discovered and players have adapted to the new content. Powercrepe is a thing in warframe, we get a jump in the power curve of the game every month or so, but like inflation in an economy, a little bit of moderated powercrepe can be a good thing, showing that the game is growing, and pushing the need for new and better challenges. So while it does exist, it currently isn't a huge problem in Warframe Just my $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CY13ERPUNK Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ah but Opticor is not a sniper rifle.... and it should be, why it uses rifle ammo is just another example of how completely out of touch some of the devs are =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranks21 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) somehow you always find a way to quote and nitpick what I have to say after a whole year+ I finally answered back to your creepiness didn't have the slightest idea that the cap would fit...lol why cant we be friends sings song... Edited February 17, 2015 by ranks21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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