Deruser Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Do you guys agree? Saryn appears a lot nowadays, after the nerf on Excalibur. As expected, after Excal's nerf, it seems a lot of players are going to Saryn to do their Draco farming. Saryn needs a rework as badly as Excalibur, especially since her other 3 abilities other than Miasma are underwhelming. Please DE, could you buff Saryn other 3 abilities and rework Miasma the same way you did with Excalibur's Radial Javelin? It seems only logical. Suggestions for other 3 abilities: 1. Venom This ability is very intuitive and original, however, the damage it does is just not worth it. Especially when you compare it to Miasma. A 100% chance to proc viral would be nice, along with a short stun after each spore explosion? 2. Molt Molt is not really that bad, but maybe the proc chance can be 100% toxin and 50% viral proc? The explosion should also have a short stun. 3. Contagion Contagion's damage scales off your melee weapon, which is nice. But it forces us into melee. Can the poison effect apply to primaries too? This would make it way more viable in higher levels. DISCUSS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirmyBurrito Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Saryn buff? Sure. Miasma nerf? Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruispleuro Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) This comment is highly biased since I love playing Saryn. First, I like the idea for Venom, although maybe only one of those aspects should be added for the moment until we see how played it becomes. Molt is already pretty great since you can shed any status effects. Contagion is indeed underwhelming, but I think it would need a complete rework, rather than going off of the current effect. If the projectile-boosting mechanic was added, maybe a shield-type ability would be needed, as it would otherwise make little sense as far as game mechanics goes, unless it was a boost to projectile-only weapons such as bows or thrown projectiles. Miasma non-LoS mechanic makes sense to me. It's an ejection of poison into the surrounding area, while Radial Javelin is a precisely targeted piercing of enemies. Maybe reworking the damage mechanic so that lower duration doesn't give higher damage, which would sadden me but makes sense, since I don't think Miasma's damage mechanic was formulated with negative duration in mind. Edited March 30, 2015 by Cruispleuro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni_Omega Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 While you certainly have good ideas, the problem comes in convincing the community to nerf Miasma. And believe me, if anyone attempts to try and do that...well... (Runs to an underground bunker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011100110110000101101101 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 How about you don't touch her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spr1ggs Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 People are still using excal on draco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Don't you dare. Just, Don't you touch my baby. The only things I will except is making venom spores less temperamental so they work with most weapons and making contagion less clunky and more useful. Edited March 30, 2015 by StinkyPygmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ailith Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) I'm not going to get into a mass debate, but since this involves Saryn, I'll at least make a comment. Do not give Saryn any form of "line of sight" change, especially Miasma. Miasma is/should be a cloud of poison, therefore, it can easily spread throughout an entire room or even into adjoining hallways and areas. You can apply the same logic to Molt's Toxin damage, it's nothing more than poisonous gas. The only possible thing you could do to make these skills more realistic is to actually implement those clouds of gas as part of the ability. How much more enjoyable that would be though, I can't say. Buff/tweak Saryn where she needs it so that all her skills are more usable, but don't you dare get any bright ideas for massive nerfs because you don't like what a frame can do. No one better nerf Nyx's skills either, she's psychic for Ruk's sake. Edited March 30, 2015 by Ailith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Cerata_ Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The LOS awareness change wouldn't really make sense in the way that it does for Excalibur, because it's supposed to be a gas. I like the buffs though. Honestly, I sort of wish Miasma was an actual cloud of gas something akin to MPrime animation wise, with some small knockback when she casts it. The cloud should hang around in the area for the duration and deal some heavy DOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACorpse Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Interesting that you note that there are a lot more Saryn around, and at the same time you request improvements... The fact that a lot of people are playing the frame implies that it's not in dire need of any changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demiax Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Do you guys agree? Saryn appears a lot nowadays, after the nerf on Excalibur. As expected, after Excal's nerf, it seems a lot of players are going to Saryn to do their Draco farming. Saryn needs a rework as badly as Excalibur, especially since her other 3 abilities other than Miasma are underwhelming. Please DE, could you buff Saryn other 3 abilities and rework Miasma the same way you did with Excalibur's Radial Javelin? It seems only logical. Suggestions for other 3 abilities: 1. Venom This ability is very intuitive and original, however, the damage it does is just not worth it. Especially when you compare it to Miasma. A 100% chance to proc viral would be nice, along with a short stun after each spore explosion? 2. Molt Molt is not really that bad, but maybe the proc chance can be 100% toxin and 50% viral proc? The explosion should also have a short stun. 3. Contagion Contagion's damage scales off your melee weapon, which is nice. But it forces us into melee. Can the poison effect apply to primaries too? This would make it way more viable in higher levels. DISCUSS. PLEASE GOD NO! People need to stop asking for nerfs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom_Bunny Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) From the description of miasma it would not make sense. The description describes miasma as a gas, it wouldn't make sense for a gas to have los. However with the sound affect and animation, it sounds and looks more like poison sludge then a gas. *Through noxious exhalation, Saryn pollutes the atmosphere with a lethally poisonous mist that corrodes all enemies in range, effectively disintegrating organic and synthetic matter instantly. From a gameplay aspect it does make sense as she is one of the more common spamming frames. However miasma does have a short range, if it weren't for the corrupted mods this move wouldn't nearly be as "game wrecking" as it is now. My guess would be to change how the move works from sludge flinging to some sort of gas. Edited April 2, 2015 by Postal_pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACorpse Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I demand a fart sound when triggerimg Miasma. Louder with Intensify and Rage fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdunSaveMe Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Doesn't her fourth ability have short range? I was under the impression it was a short-range nuke. And if you want to nerf every frame that can farm Draco, why not hit Ember, Volt, Mesa, Mag, Nova, Ash, Hydroid and Mirage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reverb6 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I absolutely disagree for nerf on Saryn. Have you seen what happened to those who used to like Radial Javelin? Well they're all mad. Now you wish to nerf Miasma out of Saryn? I hope you re-consider this statement of yours before the community moderator takes the move. Although a good idea for a buff on her 1st to 3rd skill but a nerf on 4th, maybe not. Thanks for allowing me to leave a comment. Enjoy the game! :D Sincere, reverb6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaugahn Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Miasma is/should be a cloud of poison, therefore, it can easily spread throughout an entire room or even into adjoining hallways and areas. This. What if we made Miasma actually spread like toxic cloud instead of just an X-ray hit everything button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7grims Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Burn you heretic xD Why why? Why do some man just want to see the world burn? For real mans, this game is become a huge poop, even more when ppl agree with these bad nerfs DE makes. Yah saryn ultimate may be powerfull, but look at the rest of her ability set, all worthless stuff. Edited March 30, 2015 by 7grims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLERINERT Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Out of all frames, Saryn is one of that needs a nerf? To be completely honest, she needs a buff. No frame should be nerfed unless it completely, even more extreme than Draco, breaks the game. Like Nova's M-Prime nerf, that was one of the only Warframe nerfs that were actually needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruser Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Out of all frames, Saryn is one of that needs a nerf? To be completely honest, she needs a buff. No frame should be nerfed unless it completely, even more extreme than Draco, breaks the game. Like Nova's M-Prime nerf, that was one of the only Warframe nerfs that were actually needed. I agree, but did Excalibur need a nerf? You are lying to yourself if you answered yes to that question. Since the developers have no plans to change Radial Javelin back, then it only makes sense to change the other frames' big AOEs. I don't see why Excalibur is the only frame that requires LOS and the awareness mechanic when no other frame requires it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquirmyBurrito Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 This. What if we made Miasma actually spread like toxic cloud instead of just an X-ray hit everything button? So like what they did to Nova? Eh it would need a buff to go along with that change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruser Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Burn you heretic xD Why why? Why do some man just want to see the world burn? For real mans, this game is become a huge poop, even more when ppl agree with these bad nerfs DE makes. Yah saryn ultimate may be powerfull, but look at the rest of her ability set, all worthless stuff. I do not agree with the nerfs, but DE stated that they do not want to change Excalibur back. Since they do not want to, then in terms of balance, other frames should be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbles Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 You realise they pretty much nerfed her already when they changed the way that venom works? Back in the days venom outpowered miasma since it stacked infinitely Here's an image of how it used to work but they decided to change it because it would lag other people out who didn't have strong computers, it was one of the frames sought out for high level defense since her venom would pretty much obliterate them all since it just kept stacking. Saryn's one of my favourite frames too, just because she's so aesthetically pleasing to look at, imo she's one of the best if not the best looking frame. Her fourth skill seems fine the way it is and should stay as it is, the only reason people mod her for her 4th skill is because her other abilities are lacking and are pretty bad, I'm pretty sure if you make those viable then not so many people would mod her just for her 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EchoesOfRain Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Isn't Saryn technically already nerfed? She has 1 good skill, one alright skill, one useless skill, and one non-existent skill. Not saying that Excal isn't in a similar situation, but frame balance needs...balancing. Make the other skills ACTUALLY USEFUL before nerfing anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StinkyPygmy Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Burn you heretic xD Why why? Why do some man just want to see the world burn? For real mans, this game is become a huge poop, even more when ppl agree with these bad nerfs DE makes. Yah saryn ultimate may be powerfull, but look at the rest of her ability set, all worthless stuff. Apart from contagion, the rest is great. I'll never understand players that find molt useless or the ability to cut a group of lvl40+ corrupted gunners health in half "usless". Obviously people are entitled to their opinion. But Miasma isn't all saryns good for. Not even close.. Edited March 30, 2015 by StinkyPygmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble_Cactus Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) This. What if we made Miasma actually spread like toxic cloud instead of just an X-ray hit everything button? Yeah, it's always irked me a bit that Miasma isn't, well, an actual Miasma. It's just a poison nova. I've suggested ideas in the past about how Miasma could be reworked into a slowly-expanding cloud that dealt heavy Corrosive damage and a chance to proc Corrosive, while also providing her and her teammates some sort of damage mitigation or healing or other buff while inside the cloud. In any case, I'd like to see other peoples' ideas on this concept. Anything to make Miasma more interesting to use, since her skillset has a lot of potential for creative loops involving setting down Molts > casting Venoms > holding down areas and finishing enemies off with Miasmas. Dunno what to do about Contagion, though. Edited March 30, 2015 by Noble_Cactus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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