(Spoiler) Stalker And Tenno (Spoiler)

[Fulgie]

Remember the scene in the quest where we and the stalker performs same hand gestures and realises that we are same. He may think he is a warframe/tenno just like all others even he is controlled by a tenno, a tenno that is corrupted&out of control. So that's why he hesitated.

What do you think about my theory?

[mantasas17x]

uh stalker is obviously a tenno ....

[ToxicTroublermaker]

uh stalker is obviously a tenno ....

Not obvious. He could be a warframe that gained sentience considering our warframe came to life to break the sword

[DiabolusUrsus]

I think that it's more likely he's an Orokin knock-off of the original Tenno; similar in nature but not quite the same. It specifically mentions in his codex lore that he is one of the "low Guardians," and he's treated as part of a separate caste. 

 

Maybe the Tenno were of variable strength and stature, but considering the fact that the Orokin developed Transference technology I find it hard to imagine they wouldn't attempt to create a separate variation of Tenno that happened to be a tad bit easier to manipulate. 

[SilentMobius]

Not obvious. He could be a warframe that gained sentience considering our warframe came to life to break the sword

 

That is an assumption, it could just as easily been our Tenno controlling the Warframe remotely without Transference tech with extreme effort as described in the Rhino Prime codex. It is the simpler explanation.

[(PSN)ZammnZaddy]

The stalker is that way because his operator is no longer controlling him I think that one arc about the Zanpakuto's going mad after losing their shinigami in Bleach the anime would better explain the Stalker's situation.

Edited December 9, 2015 by (PS4)GHOSTBEAST1000

[vrdwrst]

Some ponts to keep in mind when speculating about the Stalker:

His health is identical to Warframes, with Flesh proteceted by Alloy Armor. He has better (proto) sheilds, though.

Warframes usually need void power to move. Presumably, the Flesh inside can move on its own in rare circumstances.

The Stalker was a Gaurdian, whatever those were. Not the Dax, not Corrupted, not Infested, not any other previously mentioned Orokin soldier.

So beyond these points... yay speculation.

[OricSharp]

If I recall correctly, the Lotus remarks on the Stalker in a way that implies that he is the same as the Tenno - specifically, the line about hating the Tenno, and thus hating himself, for what they are and what they've done. I'd grab the quote itself, but it's not in the wiki yet.

 

Doesn't explain the 'low Guardian' thing, though. He's mentioned as having seen the truth and been driven mad by it, and the Stalker's codex entry is written from the Stalker's point of view - might be a case of Unreliable Narrator, or the 'low Guardians' may have been equal or greater to the power of the Tenno themselves, but with a different role. Noted to have been unable to call out, to have been terrified at the realization of the Tenno's impending assault, that may have been due to any number of things not related to power - the numbers of the Tenno, perhaps conflicting loyalties (if he's a Tenno, he may have been friends with other Tenno, and may even have had knowledge of the plan, but been reluctant to assist due to his service to the Orokin, and then have come to hate the Tenno, and himself, as a result), so even that doesn't really help nail anything down.

 

His ability set (at this point, he's known to have used up to eight abilities, seven from other frames, one unique to him, and complete immunity to powers, according to the wiki, though he's changed ability sets as Shadow Stalker) doesn't really help figuring out who/what the low Guardians were, or their relative power level in comparison to the Tenno - especially as he's been active for so much longer than the player Tenno, so some of the abilities may have been gained through long training or something. His unique/uniquely modified frame doesn't help, either, as it's been shown that the Warframes can be modified (Valkyr, Zanuka) by non-Orokin tech, especially - again - due to his supposed long activity. 

[Nihillian]

There are 2 very plausable and more obvious speculations. After some carefull observatiom ofcourse:

1. He is a tenno himself. This is the most obvious one. There are multiple clues about this. Hunhow said it in a kind of cryptic way, the lotus nearly confirms it with hunhow: (some go mad when they find the truth).

2. He is a tenno that got out of the transference machine and went into a warframe shell. Now, might be less obvious(?) but when you are looking at your hand, so does the staller... This might be just a very minor detail but still got me thinking. Another reason is that he is POWERFULL AF. He has the most skills of all frames/tenno. And this wouldn't be a bad explanation. Becomming mad with the truth, he got out and got himself in a different type of frame/armor. Customized as well.

Some say that he isn't a tenno due to the codex, but it was never said wether low guardian was a orokin rank, or a tenno rank.

It is still up for debate but the tenno theory has the lead into winning. And I for one welcome that theory :)

P.S. For he love of Lotus let warframes themself have sentience... Like how the rhino p codex says, some form of bestial sentience is fine, as if the warframe is a dog and the tenno the owner, some sort of relationship esque lore, that would make it complete (instead of an empty shell body and us the mind, kind of less excited about that)

[Fulgie]

There are 2 very plausable and more obvious speculations. After some carefull observatiom ofcourse:

1. He is a tenno himself. This is the most obvious one. There are multiple clues about this. Hunhow said it in a kind of cryptic way, the lotus nearly confirms it with hunhow: (some go mad when they find the truth).

2. He is a tenno that got out of the transference machine and went into a warframe shell. Now, might be less obvious(?) but when you are looking at your hand, so does the staller... This might be just a very minor detail but still got me thinking. Another reason is that he is POWERFULL AF. He has the most skills of all frames/tenno. And this wouldn't be a bad explanation. Becomming mad with the truth, he got out and got himself in a different type of frame/armor. Customized as well.

Some say that he isn't a tenno due to the codex, but it was never said wether low guardian was a orokin rank, or a tenno rank.

It is still up for debate but the tenno theory has the lead into winning. And I for one welcome that theory :)

P.S. For he love of Lotus let warframes themself have sentience... Like how the rhino p codex says, some form of bestial sentience is fine, as if the warframe is a dog and the tenno the owner, some sort of relationship esque lore, that would make it complete (instead of an empty shell body and us the mind, kind of less excited about that)

[LightstealKnight]

Remember the scene in the quest where we and the stalker performs same hand gestures and realises that we are same. He may think he is a warframe/tenno just like all others even he is controlled by a tenno, a tenno that is corrupted&out of control. So that's why he hesitated.

What do you think about my theory?

 

D.E. gave such a plot twist that they had the stalker confused.  That's why he hesitated.  He was like WTF D.E.?  Did they just go there?

[SilentMobius]

Interesting question.

 

Given the Stalker's pause when Hunhow doubled down trying to get the Stalker to act telling him "You hate yourself". Is it possible that The Stalker Codex is actually a fabrication?

 

Could it be that the Stalker didn't submit to Cryosleep and when he found out what he-and-all-Tenno were he rejected it so hard that he constructed a new reality where he wasn't a Tenno? I mean the way that Second Dream Scene played out it certainly looks like the Stalker was re-evaluating what he was doing when he _should_ be very much aware of all of this from what we've been told.

 

Could it be that the "low Guardian" he believed himself to be was just some Dax he fixated upon. Maybe someone he killed in the Purge. Ultimately scarring his Warframe to look less like the Excalibur suit it was?

[GnosticCat]

Interesting question.

 

Given the Stalker's pause when Hunhow doubled down trying to get the Stalker to act telling him "You hate yourself". Is it possible that The Stalker Codex is actually a fabrication?

 

Could it be that the Stalker didn't submit to Cryosleep and when he found out what he-and-all-Tenno were he rejected it so hard that he constructed a new reality where he wasn't a Tenno? I mean the way that Second Dream Scene played out it certainly looks like the Stalker was re-evaluating what he was doing when he _should_ be very much aware of all of this from what we've been told.

 

Could it be that the "low Guardian" he believed himself to be was just some Dax he fixated upon. Maybe someone he killed in the Purge. Ultimately scarring his Warframe to look less like the Excalibur suit it was?

This theory would be supported by reactions from people who are constructing threads to complain that they are not space ninjas anymore after discovering nature of tenno. Some are wanting choice of different type of tenno. Perhaps "low guardian". That is totally different thing :)

[SilentMobius]

This theory would be supported by reactions from people who are constructing threads to complain that they are not space ninjas anymore after discovering nature of tenno. Some are wanting choice of different type of tenno. Perhaps "low guardian". That is totally different thing :)

 

Funny you should say that.

 

https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/570938-why-i-dislike-the-new-questtenno-thing-spoilers/page-23#entry6487407

 

Also, I find it hilarious that the Stalker is all Dark, Hatey and Dispairy _because_ he found out what he was and couldn't handle it... Parallels to a small amount of the player base maybe.

[GnosticCat]

We might get chance in future quest to get revenge on Stalker by hunting down his tenno. Which is probably stuffed in Stalkers fridge, out of sight out of mind. :)

[(XBOX)The Warmason]

I'm just saying I was much happier thinking of my warframe as an exosuit with a human inside. Dreams shattered. Oh well I guess I'm just going to be stuck playing as a power mad semi crippled child.

[OniDax]

Stalker's a Tenno. That's why he was looking at his hands like the operator was.

 

And yeah, Stalker's like the players here who can't accept the established lore: they refused to accept it, and set about to make up their own head canon, like Stalker did about him being a Guardian.

Edited December 10, 2015 by AntoineFlemming

[Archenius]

That is an assumption, it could just as easily been our Tenno controlling the Warframe remotely without Transference tech with extreme effort as described in the Rhino Prime codex. It is the simpler explanation.

Uh what? Then why did the person laugh and said big fat promotions?

And why did the rhino warframe stopped to look at its hands?

Using the rhino prime codex contradicts on what you said

[Omnimorph]

Uh what? Then why did the person laugh and said big fat promotions?

 

 

Because something important had just been discovered.

 

 

 

And why did the rhino warframe stopped to look at its hands?

 

a) there's nothing to suggest that it's a Rhino warframe per se, it's just some unspecified thing ("beast") that the narrator scientist had been working on - probably some kind of part metal/part Infested construct, an experiment for the war effort - IOW it's not intended to be a warframe but it becomes something like a warframe accidentally, when it comes in close proximity to the cells where the Zariman kids are being stored "on ice" (as it were) and when:

 

b) one of the Zariman kids nearby wakes up in it.  That's why it's looking at its hands - it's the Tenno dreaming its now this beast and being stopped in its tracks, as it were - puzzled, etc.

 

So what's happening here is something like this: this Davis scientist seems to be someone who knows about what happened with the Zariman kids, perhaps has read up on some of Margulis' research.  When the "beast" breaks free (this is basically just an accident in a part of a station devoted to experiments of various kinds, on Lua) Davis has the desperate idea of trying out Margulis idea, to see if one of the "rejects" can do as Margulis hoped, i.e. use constructs as surrogates that would enable them to interact with the world.

 

They're going to get a promotion because they've just discovered a way of making both the Zariman kids, and these failed attempts at creating some kind of construct warrior out of organic and metal bits, useful in the war effort.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Omnimorph

[Kaboom0]

Could be that the Stalker is sort of like Hayden Tenno or Nemesis from Dark Sector. The stalker may have been taken over by the Technocyte Virus or is simply wearing a modified or yet undisclosed Warframe.

 

Low guard could also refer to people who can use the frames that are not Tenno. That or they could be Tenno that are unable to use transference and therefore are confined to a single frame.

[BornWithTeeth]

I'd kind of like to find the Stalker's Operator, bust the kid out of their Transference pod, and get him or her to calm the hell down. Have some tea. Look at the horizon. Get some perspective. Come to terms with themselves. Stop being a huge $&*^.

[arch111]

Haven't seen this level of Lorecrafting in a long good while.

The suggestions that Excal Primes Codex and Stalkers Codex are false, are interesting, but this have the danger of making us question all of the Lore.

Either shadow was a Guardian (and I suspect Teshin to be one) or he was not, and is a Tenno. If he is a Tenno then he is using Transferrance from "that Dark Place".

But IF the codex can be trusted, he was awake for most of it, like other Orokin. In that case he MUST be a kind of orokin-soldier wearing Exoarmor.

Facts: Stalker is just like the Tenno, immortal. Kill him and he lives again.

Stalker must have a body somewhere.

Fact2: Stalker was at the reservoir and was driven mad from the power there. Maby from being connected to it.

Fact3: Stalker did not sleep, so whatever the First Dream is, he is still in it. He was never told the Lie that he is the warframe. But he allso do not know the truth about the Tenno.

Conclusion: The very concious mirror of the experimental Rhino looking at its hands and Shadow looking at his hands can be viewed such that shadow is in fact a living warframe.

The clues would line up.

Rhino-beast: eyes mouth

Shadow: speaks.

Rhino-beast: becomes aware of himself in the presence of the zarimans.

Shadow: becomes aware of himself being the same as the Tenno he is trying to kill.

In other words, a operatorless warframe. Remember in RPC how they say the creatures have a "shell" that they must break to get to the creature? That is the very makup of a exo-armor.