Bleak-Knight Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Futurehero said: So again, there's no real problem here except "BUUUT P2W MAAAAAN...." P2W is a problem in competitive games, where getting beaten by someone on the fact that he has a richer wallet than you is a problem. This is a co-op game. Some guy with cash only weapon can only help you, that's how the game is designed. What's the problem ? The problem is that this is NOT how the game is designed. This is a pay4convenience game. Plat is really for buying built weapons that can be built from scratch or cosmetics. NOT for overpowered weapons that can only be bought for plat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, taiiat said: there isn't one - if you can logically explain why it isn't a problem. i'm waiting. with a 55 gallon drum of popcorn. Let's get roiiiiight into the news XD. Sorry I had to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcl_Blue Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, Futurehero said: -This would finally put an end to the enemy scaling problem. Wrong. 31 minutes ago, Futurehero said: -"Trivializing content" is not a thing . People have been trivializing content for years and it's still being played just as well. Very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter13 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Because Pay 2 Win is bad. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleak-Knight Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) 35 minutes ago, -CM-Voltage said: Let's get roiiiiight into the news XD. Sorry I had to Go hang out with you 2 year old French girl keemstar. Edited June 19, 2016 by Bleak-Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futurehero Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, PoopManZ said: I dont know its probably disheartening to see a rando squadmate completely trivializing your own setup with his gun just cause he threw down money, much similar to how people hate Bladestorm Ash cause it just sucks the fun out of the mission. It doesnt matter if its a PvE game. Why would we turn Warframe into a mobile game. Didn't people already do that with the Boltor Prime way back when ? Why would it be a problem to make it official ? You're making a co-op game competitive. DE should probably remove % damage done from end of mission screen... Edited June 19, 2016 by Futurehero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, (XB1)MK Ultra K11 said: *opens wallet that has a jellybean, a paperclip, a fly and a penny* Uhh....... You have a penny? Get out of here, you entitled elitist! Some of us WORK for our gear... 10 minutes ago, Xiusa said: Because then we don't get a good game, we just get a bunch of things to buy This. Exactly this. I'm so tired of the "co-op game" argument. Just because it's a co-op doesn't mean it's okay to make the game boring. So whenever they want more money, all they have to do is buff the enemies and sell us a gun to deal with them? No thank you... Edited June 19, 2016 by Lord_Azrael typos ane forr awesame poople Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davolution Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 mhm, selling OP weapons that one person can easily rule everything and mates dont even get a kill. You get massiv XP, but where is the fun letting someelse doing everything for you? I hate it when i dont have enemies to kill because there is a spamming ash or banshee stunning the whole map. I play for fun and letting others do your stuff is boring af. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genitive Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 12 minutes ago, Futurehero said: The only people who against the ridiculous scaling are the veterans with tons of hours. Now that we have sorties and pretty much everyone can jump into high-level missions, scaling is a problem. On top of that warframe abilities are being toned down, so enemy scaling will have to be redesigned eventually. 2 minutes ago, Futurehero said: So again, there's no real problem here except "BUUUT P2W MAAAAAN...." P2W is a problem in competitive games, where getting beaten by someone on the fact that he has a richer wallet than you is a problem. This is a co-op game. Some guy with cash only weapon can only help you, that's how the game is designed. What's the problem ? It makes the game boring. And unfair to many people. Look at this exapmle: Wow, a new weapon, but for plat only. Sucks. I can trade for plat, but I don't have the time to farm for prime parts. I don't want to wait a couple of months to get this weapon. I also don't have any money to spend. In general it is a terrible game design, I better find a game when I can get stuff normally, by playing. See what I did there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleak-Knight Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Letter13 said: Because Pay 2 Win is bad. End of story. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nlim Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 22 minutes ago, Futurehero said: Honestly, except the knee-jerk reaction that people have to the term "pay to win", is there any argument as to why this couldn't be a thing? It would certainly make DE a lot of money, and players can still technically get this weapon for free through trading. The argument is that most of your points are utter garbage. While the warframe community can be at times pretty dense on the importance of balance you just take the cake and for some reason decided to even go beyond. It is like saying why should anyone bother with properly balancing a singleplayer game - just release cheat codes and be done with it. After all doesn´t matter if the game may be broken without useing them , you still have the "choice". As for the money aspect - yeah great idea, lock people out of the power progression of the game if they are unwilling to pay. Sounds like a very fun experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Well, for starters, this game hasn't been P2W so far, so changing the business model now would be a massive betrayal on DE's part, causing unparalleled rage. And then there's the fact that P2W itself is an unethical business model (in my opinion) that would drive players away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleak-Knight Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Why do I have a feeling that this topic was always bait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKurtiStryke Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Just now, Bleak-Knight said: Why do I have a feeling that this topic was always bait? I was surprised when it stayed open after @Letter13 responded. Stuff this bad tends to be in need of a lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)MK Ultra K11 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Lord_Azrael said: You have a penny? Get out of here, you entitled elitist! Some of us WORK for our gear... This. Exactly this. I'm so tired of the "co-op game" argument. Just because it's a co-op doesn't mean it's okay to make the game boring. So whenever they want more money, all they hav to do is buff the enemies and sell us a gun to deal with them? No thank you... *gets mugged and only the fly is left...they took the jellybean and the paperclip* *cries* But seriously making this game pay to win is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futurehero Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Bleak-Knight said: Why do I have a feeling that this topic was always bait? It's not. Everything I said in the original post has been said by other people on these forums at some point. I'm not trolling you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AurumandArgentum Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Here, let this guide tell you why you are wrong regarding that this is a PvE game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apo86 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 That "puts an end to the enemy scaling problem" about as elegantly as removing all enemies from the game would. Seriously, what would this accomplish except throwing the entire concept of balance out of the window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleak-Knight Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Dear OP, did you remember what Valve did with mods? They were going to charge money for them. Mods had always been free but now they are greedy. What happened next? All hell broke loose and the rage came upon them. That's why this won't be pay2win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, TheKurtiStryke said: NO!!! WHAT IS IT?!?! MAKE IT GO AWAY!!!! I DON'T WANT IIIIIIITTTTT....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Futurehero said: It's not. Everything I said in the original post has been said by other people on these forums at some point. I'm not trolling you. You aren't exactly inspiring a whole lot of confidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulden Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Futurehero said: You're making a co-op game competitive. DE should probably remove % damage done from end of mission screen... Ding Ding Ding!!!! Pointing at the Noggle, where did the other Tenno touched you? So let me take a wild guess here, correct me if I'm wrong PLEASE. Is it safe to assume you or a friend just returned to game to find how much you still need to work on in order to be of any assistance on a mission, and the best thing you could think of was "My wallet is full, we should be able to buy our way to greatness". 7 minutes ago, Bleak-Knight said: Why do I have a feeling that this topic was always bait? It is. Edited June 19, 2016 by Souldend78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futurehero Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Just now, AurumandArgentum said: Here, let this guide tell you why you are wrong regarding that this is a PvE game. I don't disagree with that post, but the feedback threads are filled with people wanting old Mirage and Trinity back .So overall, what does the WF community say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynslustafir Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 These ideas might be received better at a place like Perfect World Entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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