Siphersh Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 39 minutes ago, polarity said: Plat prices plummet = less people farming to sell = plat prices stabilize. Economics is a lot like natural systems. It self regulates to a fair extent through feedback loops. More people will farm out the primes they need for themselves, because it's easier now. Which creates a decrease of demand for prime parts. The economic dynamics won't compensate for that, because it's a real decrease in demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Chronix Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 What are you smoking exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackVortex Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, Gelkor said: It is a bit worse for pure solo players, but on the other hand it's very simple to pug now, so if you don't mind just pugging it, it's pretty easy and enjoyable. it's horrible now, before 1 key would yield an item for everyone now everyone needs 1 key for an item meaning instead of 1 key = 4 items now its 4 keys = 4 items hard nerf not to mention the modes where you could get endless drops off of 1 key, now you are limited to 1 item another hard nerf DE should change its name to Digital Extreme Nerfs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endgame77 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BlackVortex said: it's horrible now, before 1 key would yield an item for everyone now everyone needs 1 key for an item meaning instead of 1 key = 4 items now its 4 keys = 4 items hard nerf not to mention the modes where you could get endless drops off of 1 key, now you are limited to 1 item another hard nerf DE should change its name to Digital Extreme Nerfs You completely ignore the fact that it is IMMENSELY easier to get the items you want now. The people on the forums todays are kinda convincing me many of you really don't even play the game I see you've spent your whole day complaining about everything and anything in the game? Kinda weird. Edited July 8, 2016 by Endgame77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorkheff Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Endgame77 said: You completely ignore the fact that it is IMMENSELY easier to get the items you want now. The people on the forums todays are kinda convincing me many of you really don't even play the game I see you've spent your whole day complaining about everything and anything in the game? Kinda weird. Eh, I think part of the issue is, I don't want anything. I just want to do some Void Exterminate to level mag and also acquire an item that I can ducat/maybe use. Which currently, is not an option at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatnix. Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, BlackVortex said: it's horrible now, before 1 key would yield an item for everyone now everyone needs 1 key for an item meaning instead of 1 key = 4 items now its 4 keys = 4 items hard nerf not to mention the modes where you could get endless drops off of 1 key, now you are limited to 1 item another hard nerf DE should change its name to Digital Extreme Nerfs It's just that most people don't understand that DE is not here to make friends, they are here for money. Especially now that they were bought by a massive, chinese company they have people to answer to when it comes to profit. They will change whatever is necessary to make buying platinum and prime packages a standard now, and they are succeeding. People can't Draco. Sell boosters. People can't get void drops if they don't have the specific item. Sell those in the store. Wrap it up around a package of "convenience" and you have a massive, for-profit-only change. Just make the items be good at first so people think the system is golden, then turn it back to low numbers and chances and they get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endgame77 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, Sorkheff said: Eh, I think part of the issue is, I don't want anything. I just want to do some Void Exterminate to level mag and also acquire an item that I can ducat/maybe use. Which currently, is not an option at all times. Umm, you don't need keys to access the Void so it's easier than ever. You really haven't played the game have you? You really seem to just be being negative for the sake of being negative. Before it would have cost you a key, now you use a projection. Exact same thing except now you have choice. Edited July 8, 2016 by Endgame77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackVortex Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, Heatnix. said: It's just that most people don't understand that DE is not here to make friends, they are here for money. Especially now that they were bought by a massive, chinese company they have people to answer to when it comes to profit. They will change whatever is necessary to make buying platinum and prime packages a standard now, and they are succeeding. People can't Draco. Sell boosters. People can't get void drops if they don't have the specific item. Sell those in the store. Wrap it up around a package of "convenience" and you have a massive, for-profit-only change. Just make the items be good at first so people think the system is golden, then turn it back to low numbers and chances and they get away with it. I'm fully aware of this and have been for the past 3 years which is why I pulled the plug on funding DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allibound Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Endgame77 said: You completely ignore the fact that it is IMMENSELY easier to get the items you want now. The people on the forums todays are kinda convincing me many of you really don't even play the game I see you've spent your whole day complaining about everything and anything in the game? Kinda weird. Been closing fissures all day. Got a bunch of trash, enough traces to fully boost one, still didn't get the desired piece. I fail to see where this "IMMENSELY" thing comes from. It's still running the same mission over and over and over getting mostly things you don't need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endgame77 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 13 minutes ago, allibound said: Been closing fissures all day. Got a bunch of trash, enough traces to fully boost one, still didn't get the desired piece. I fail to see where this "IMMENSELY" thing comes from. It's still running the same mission over and over and over getting mostly things you don't need. Maybe try teaming up with 3 other people. Do you understand the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allibound Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Maybe try not assuming I'm solo. Do you understand that 4 chances at a 5% drop is not 20%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanadra Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 While I haven't gotten anything I really need yet, like Ash Prime BP/Systems, I must admit it's better then I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockydesu Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, allibound said: Maybe try not assuming I'm solo. Do you understand that 4 chances at a 5% drop is not 20%? Still better than 5% and don't have to do 20 minute runs stuck at the same drop rate. Imagine if 4 people use the same relic that's fully enhanced. EZ MONEY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endgame77 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, allibound said: Maybe try not assuming I'm solo. Do you understand that 4 chances at a 5% drop is not 20%? You're right, it's an 18.6% chance. Huge difference eh? So now, with a team of 4 you have an 18.6% chance to get the item you want as opposed to a 5% chance. Edited July 8, 2016 by Endgame77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)A_SimpleName Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Can someone explain the new system? Do I get to choose whatever item is in the particular Relic's loot table or is it still RNG? Do I need to level up the Relic with Traces to get the last item on the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khazlol Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Rip people who did long term investments for profit :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajochi Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, (PS4)A_SimpleName said: Can someone explain the new system? Do I get to choose whatever item is in the particular Relic's loot table or is it still RNG? Do I need to level up the Relic with Traces to get the last item on the list? It's still rng, but if you run with a group, you get to choose any of the rolled rewards if everyone brought a relic You don't need to charge a relic. Charging increases the odds of the rare drop a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)A_SimpleName Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Just now, CrazyCortex said: It's still rng, but if you run with a group, you get to choose any of the rolled rewards if everyone brought a relic You don't need to charge a relic. Charging increases the odds of the rare drop a bit. Fantastic! Thank you. I've been trying to get an answer for the past 2 hours and being on console I can't do it myself. The new system compromises by shortening the amount of runs but at the same time lower the quantity of prime parts. I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deshiel Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Ah... Time to dust off the launcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinthAria Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Whatever the drop rates, I'm grateful for the transparency in drop chances and the the change in scenery. It's nice going to places that aren't the Void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnimorph Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 I'm enjoying it so far, got a thing I wanted, all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazeyama Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 This is the greatest update to warframe ever because of the new void. I really hope they don't change anything because it is great. You now have choices and if you don't get lucky maybe one of your crew does and you can share, plus you can get different drop tables if people have different relics. I finally got Ash BP in just a few runs rather than slogging through t3 def for nothing for hours. I havn't even tried the new upgrading drops system but if it guarantees a rare drop then this system became even more amazing. People may complain about how this will ruin the economy but the void has been hurting for a long long time and this is a vast improvement. New players and old players alike shouldn't have to grind for hours on the same maps just to get the last part they need. On most major updates there are major bugs or problems with some of the changes but even taking bugs into consideration I've had more fun and enjoyment from spectres of the rail than I have from any other update. The fact that we didn't even get War Within yet and I havn't even touched the kavats or archwing changes and I'm this happy is amazing. Thank you DE for all the hard work because IMO it paid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokime Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 It is way less stressful than doing Survival till rotation C just to get something I don't need, plus, you can upgrade your chances of getting those pesky rarer parts easier now! I've done a two "T3S" (I don't remember new name xD) trying to get Vauban Prime Systems, and got two Volt Prime neurosomethings, but hey! is way better than getting a Forma at wave 20! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackVortex Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Lokime said: It is way less stressful than doing Survival till rotation C just to get something I don't need, plus, you can upgrade your chances of getting those pesky rarer parts easier now! I've done a two "T3S" (I don't remember new name xD) trying to get Vauban Prime Systems, and got two Volt Prime neurosomethings, but hey! is way better than getting a Forma at wave 20! difference is the forma costs you 1 key and up to that point you will have gotten 3 other parts and the possibitlity to stay in the mission for more parts now each player basically spends a key (they are not called keys anymore but its still the same idea, no key no loot) and can only go out with 1 reward which is STILL based on rng btw the volt neuroptics are just the old volt helmets. I had tons of those and they dropped like flies so I would actually be crying if those were the rewards that I'd gotten Edited July 9, 2016 by BlackVortex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odinal Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Rare items like Arcane Helmets and Arcane Enchancements is gonna sky rocket in price i foresee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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