Why do I use the "bad" weapons/frames?

[Daakjenaar]

Alright, I like some of the more infamous/underestimated weapons/frames in the game. Specifically, Limbo, Oberon, and the lecta. Oberon can heal well, crowd control, and do decent damage. Cataclysm limbos are AWESOME on defense missions, and the lecta is awesome for stunning/corrosive/magnetic/murder

What does everyone else think of these frames/weapon?

[artemisfortune]

The Lecta has never been considered bad to my knowledge.

Limbo can be invincible indefinitely.

Oberon can negate status effects, heal, and cause radiation innately.

[(XBOX)Prime Pedestal]

Just now, Daakjenaar said:

Alright, I like some of the more infamous/underestimated weapons/frames in the game. Specifically, Limbo, Oberon, and the lecta. Oberon can heal well, crowd control, and do decent damage. Cataclysm limbos are AWESOME on defense missions, and the lecta is awesome for stunning/corrosive/magnetic/murder

What does everyone else think of these frames/weapon?

I like Oberon, only started playing him because I bought his cosmetic bundle and didn't want to feel like I'd wasted plat on it but I've actually found him to be good fun to play. Don't really care for the Lecta, only whip I enjoy is the Scoliac. Limbo is great, if (and only if) the person playing him has more than one brain cell. Otherwise he becomes more of a hindrance than a help. And I've come across quite a few of those. 

[Daakjenaar]

1 minute ago, (XB1)AnnoyedHaddock said:

I like Oberon, only started playing him because I bought his cosmetic bundle and didn't want to feel like I'd wasted plat on it but I've actually found him to be good fun to play. Don't really care for the Lecta, only whip I enjoy is the Scoliac. Limbo is great, if (and only if) the person playing him has more than one brain cell. Otherwise he becomes more of a hindrance than a help. And I've come across quite a few of those.

I remember soloing T1 defense missions just by spamming cataclysm. Everything died instantly...
Those were the days...

[-Amaterasu-]

Nobody likes playing with a cataclysm limbo because everyone likes drops.

I've never had a problem with Oberon since I have a friend who mains him but there are far better frames for both CC and healing.

The lecta isn't bad whips are just underated in general but the secura lecta is better.

[Azlen]

I think Amaterasu hit the nail on the head. These things aren't really bad at all. They are mediocre. Which in Warframe makes them bad. With the exception of Limbo, those choices don't bring anything invaluable to the table that there aren't better options of already. And even if they outclass everything in 1 specific aspect, they would lack 2-3 other aspects that similar (but better) options also bring. I think the best example is honestly Prime stuff. Is Galatine a bad sword? No, it's alright for what it does and where it is. And for a time it was top tier. But now there are better options. Be it through other weapons (War) or simple factual upgrades (Galatine Prime), it doesn't ever make that weapon bad. It just makes it not the best, and if you aren't using the best, you are gimping the highest potential you could do.

Just my 2 plat,

~Az

[OverlordMcGeek]

I love my Seer pistol. Why can't we have more weapons of this aesthetic?

Mutalist Quanta has too much potential if they just tweak it. Not even OP changes just simple QOL changes.

Sheev. I for one like the design. Was the best dagger until the Rakta Dark Dagger nice passive.

You can see that my opinion would be a bit skewed but oberon is OP to me. Limbo just makes my brain hurt with it's quality maintenance gameplay. Lecta has always sucked for me since I love the Scoliac too much.

Edited October 3, 2016 by OverlordMcGeek

[-CM-Hekovashi]

Cataclysm limbo is inferior to frost on every single way, with exception of globe health, but again-it shrinks in size and and it have a duration. Globe allow you to collect stuff and shot dudes outside without any danger. Only thing where limbo is da king-sortie def, it's like-if you have even an OK limbo, you never gonna fail it, and in sortie def limdo is way better than frost. For every other situation-there always better option, like WAY better.

[(PSN)Elctrcstel]

27 minutes ago, -Amaterasu- said:

Nobody likes playing with a cataclysm limbo because everyone likes drops.

im really looking forward to his rework. hopefully they morph 1+2 into one ability,and allow all loot in the rift globe to be picked up. i mean you're in the rift, the loot is technically in the rift, why no pick up

[Cash4Cookies]

10 minutes ago, (PS4)Elctrcstel said:

im really looking forward to his rework. hopefully they morph 1+2 into one ability,and allow all loot in the rift globe to be picked up. i mean you're in the rift, the loot is technically in the rift, why no pick up

î'm not sure if it's really possible to morph his 1 and 2 into one ability

i think that would make it rather clunky to use, atleast i can't really imagine any way to make it not clunky

 

his 2 and 3 could easily be made into 1 skill tho

[Azlen]

11 minutes ago, Cash4Cookies said:

î'm not sure if it's really possible to morph his 1 and 2 into one ability

i think that would make it rather clunky to use, atleast i can't really imagine any way to make it not clunky

 

his 2 and 3 could easily be made into 1 skill tho

It's generally been talked about that basically the way 1 & 2 seems best theoretically combined would be if you have are aiming at a valid target, it Banishes, if you aren't, it Rift Walks. 3 Has also been talked about being integrated into the rift as a passive of it, though it would lose power strength scaling guaranteed if they did this.

Personally the merging of 1 and 2, i'm not quite sure how i'd feel about it. It sounds clunky in concept but I honestly don't think it'd be that bad. A good portion of players were around for coptering and that was a 'look up and press E' to get the desired result, same with bullet jumping now. So I don't think it'd be too hard for players to learn.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Azlen

[(XBOX)ThermalStone]

There are bad or strictly worse weapons but no bad warframes.

Limbo, as someone said, is the sortie king with so many cheese strategies (invicible medic, defense baby sitter, untouchable speed runner, etc.) but I wouldn't bring him to endless survival which is what everyone seems to use to rank frames.

Edited October 3, 2016 by (XB1)ThermalStone

[SenorClipClop]

I dig Oberon, though I only find he really shines when the team is struggling. He's the save-your-asses frame!

[(PSN)robotwars7]

it's nice to break away from the Meta. I like to try and use as much of my arsenal as possible, even the weapons I don't like that much. thank the Void for the Randomize button (and that guy who had that randomizer site before it was finally put in game)

[(XBOX)TheLegend 64312]

The only issue I have is when Limbos cataclysm when I'm farming on a defense. But even then it's not because Limbo is bad. Just inconvenient for me at that time

Edited October 3, 2016 by (XB1)TheLegend 64312

[polarity]

I like to come up with crazy stupid builds for crap weapons, that only work in low level missions.  Right now I'm levelling a Supra, and I've put Serration, Shred and Vile Accelleration on it.  Can't wait to add Speed Trigger, Spring-Loaded Chamber, Split Chamber, Primed Rifle Ammo Mutation and Primed Fast Hands.

[edit] maybe I should try it on a Mirage when I've got it done ;)

Edited October 3, 2016 by polarity

[Daakjenaar]

I also forgot to mention my use of the azima. It's a great secondary

[Eminem2420]

I like Oberon, i see him as a jack of all trades kind of guy. I don't play Limbo enough to comment on him. The Lecta is fun to use. I like to use sniper type guns, which, from what i've seen, are considered sub-par. I like to snipe enemies from distances, but the maps that allow this are limited.

[ArcaneSnowdrop]

2 hours ago, SenorClipClop said:

I dig Oberon, though I only find he really shines when the team is struggling. He's the save-your-asses frame!

He is good at a lot of emergency stuff, and he doesn't need a specific set up for survivability--just high health. So long as you have your healing at a good strength, you're good.

[(PSN)Tactless_Ninja]

4 hours ago, -CM-Hekovashi said:

Cataclysm limbo is inferior to frost on every single way, with exception of globe health, but again-it shrinks in size and and it have a duration. Globe allow you to collect stuff and shot dudes outside without any danger.

Frost globes can be annoying though. They block ally fire when outside it, and even when you are inside it still blocks fire if they dropped more than one right next to each other. This problem is multiplied with every Frost on the team mindlessly dropping bubbles everywhere. This just doesn't fly for sniping or using explosives. And it doesn't auto-disable itself it'll just stay there being annoying.

[NativeKiller]

You could use them for;

 

1) MR points

2) Specific, niche purposes

3) Fun, which is subjective

4) Masochism/Challenge runs

 

Applies to all "underpowered" equipment

[Ailissa]

Regardless of what anyone says there are no bad warframes, only bad players.

 

Any frame can be good in a given situation if the person playing it knows what they are doing.

[UrbanShade]

Khm. Im runing around and pretending to be Steel meridian elite trooper, or veteran, with Machete Wraith (with nightwatch skin recolored) and single Viper pistol, with Hek, Kohm or standart Grakata, so o can have all 3 weapons as greneer made ones :D Btw, single Viper with augment and crit build not too bad (not to good, eiter, mid-level effective, until level 40-50 maybe), not sortie-tier (and still sometimes taking it into sortie mission 1s, because in 2nd or 3rd Viper really cant do anything except gas-proc), but Machete Wraith... Khm... Bad weapon. Best of the worst (maybe Prova Vandal on same level, best of the worst). Terrible stance with weak multipliers, clunky combos, overall weak stats (no crit, practically no status, even base damage arent high), even buggy animations (like standart combo arent apllied to quick melee, and every hit in quick melee is same move that is horizontal slice with no different animations), buggy sound (no swing sound on slide attack and half of combos), so im using it just for looks (machete model is my favorite melee model in game), and that is sad =( i want to enjoy that weapon, but cant, because with full build it struggles even against level 20-22

[WERElektro]

Nyx isn't a "bad" warframe.... and neither is she seen as bad.... but she sure isn't used a lot by players. Underestimated would meet it.

...I also liked the twin gremlins.... For the reload animation... but these aren't seen as bad either I think.

[Sziklamester]

Limbo Just needs tweaks and let other peoples pick up the loot Inside the globe. Oberon needs tweaks and probably his halloweed make a mobile ability otherwise he is fine. I dont like the specialist frames so I hope they will keep in this way him. Peoples complain on Oberon because he is not a Trinity which was broken with her instant heal everyone with her blessing. Lecta is a good meele on my eyes. Vauban passive also bandaid and need to be changed and give him more armor.